[QUOTE=Phototropic]Dopethrone has gotta be in my top 5 favourite albums, along with Panopticon by Isis

Any of you download that Bomb the sun EP?[/QUOTE]
I did too.
I'll listen to it tomorrow, had to listen to other stuff first.
I've been getiing so much new music lately :D.

[QUOTE=Kyle][I]Let Us Prey[/I], I thought that would be obvious just be listening to the music. I guess I feel like I should like[I] Dopethrone [/I]more, because it's the one everyone raves about, and that must be why I said 'but'.[/QUOTE]

Hmm.

Let Us Prey sounds really trippy and gloomy to me, whilst Dopethrone has this dumb, stoner feel throughout, so I find Let Us Prey much less up-beat than Dopethrone. Just my thoughts.

I saw Manic Frustration by Trouble at a shop today so I purchased it... besides Candlemass and Saint Vitus, is there any Trad Doom bands that play doom? I still haven't found one!

[QUOTE=Werny]

I saw Manic Frustration by Trouble at a shop today so I purchased it... besides Candlemass and Saint Vitus, is there any Trad Doom bands that play doom? I still haven't found one![/QUOTE]

Is this calculated to irritate me? Yes you managed to find the non-doom Trouble album (it is however a great album). Find the debut "Psalm 9" or "The Skull" or even "Run to the Light" then tell me it's not doom!

Candlemass are an epic doom band so very different to St Vitus (although both are most definitely doom). Similar bands who are very doom include Solitude Aeturnus, Solstice, Isole, While Heaven Wept, Millarca, Icefall.

Some more doom bands in the traditional vein who are very doom:

Warning
Orodruin
Reverend Bizarre ( please do not listen to "Doom over the world" and come back and say it's not doom - find something off "In the rectory of the bizarre reverend)
Las Cruces
Revelation

All of the above destroy any funeral doom, death/doom, sludge, sludgecore or neoclassical gothic industrial folk black metal doom band you can name!

On a different note has anyone heard Iron Hearse or Cambian Dawn. I think they might appeal to both the doom and stoner crowd.

[QUOTE=Jondur]On a different note has anyone heard Iron Hearse or Cambian Dawn. I think they might appeal to both the doom and stoner crowd.[/QUOTE]I just checked out both those bands, pretty good stuff. I see that Iron Hearse are quite local to me over in Swindon, so I might drive down and check out one of their gigs. I've found so much new music in this thread over the last few weeks, it excites me.

[QUOTE=Jondur]
On a different note has anyone heard Iron Hearse or Cambian Dawn. I think they might appeal to both the doom and stoner crowd.[/QUOTE]

The River did a split with Cambian Dawn, didn't they? I haven't heard it, but I did check out Cambian Dawn because of it. Yet to buy anything, but they were pretty good as I remember.

there are so many good bands in this genre...where to start.:smoke:

For a Good blend of Doom and Stoner Listen to [I]Black Sabbath-Hand of Doom[/I]

Love the Melvins, Monster Magnet, Pelican, Kyuss

[QUOTE=Kyle]I just checked out both those bands, pretty good stuff. I see that Iron Hearse are quite local to me over in Swindon, so I might drive down and check out one of their gigs. I've found so much new music in this thread over the last few weeks, it excites me.[/QUOTE]

They're a good live band. We did a gig with them in London a few years back. We'd been soundchecking for about 2 hours struggling with rubbish sound when Iron Hearse turn up 10 minutes before doors open, plug in, play and have a perfect sound! Simply not fair.

Cambian Dawn have also become an excellent band. I can highly recommend their last demo "Wastrel Children of an Insane Universe". Theres tracks on the website and on myspace. Check em out.

Hey Jondur, you got a link to some of your muisc?

[QUOTE=Jondur]Is this calculated to irritate me? Yes you managed to find the non-doom Trouble album (it is however a great album). Find the debut "Psalm 9" or "The Skull" or even "Run to the Light" then tell me it's not doom!
[/QUOTE]

I guess I managed to find the non-doom Witchfinder General album and non-doom Pentagram song too. There was that Count Raven one with the gargoyle on the front...maybe I should've got that.

Hmm I can't imagine that any of those bands you listed would please me more than the ones I already listen to...Skepticism, Esoteric, Tyranny.....no way!

I think actually your problem is that you don't know what doom is. I'm sure that Witchfinder General, Trouble, Pentagram etc are a LOT less slow death metal with keyboards than Skepticism or Esoteric! I personally don't care if you prefer the latest release from "Withered candles in the velvet moonlit crimson adjectives" to "Day of Reckoning" or "Death Penalty" but your favourite bands aren't doom. Now go and find a song of the bands I recommended. Now THAT is doom.

I know what Doom is. People tell me Saint Vitus is a pivotal Doom band, and the song Children Of Doom sounds doomy enough to me. And I have two Candlemass albums which sound appropriately doomish to me.

I just enjoy Funeral and Death/Doom better than Traditional Doom, I don't think it's "proper doom" or whatever. I like it better than Trad because it's not trying to replicate the 70's or Black Sabbath, it's just doing its own thing. I have much more respect for those bands, not the "we love Black Sabbath but we're different because...we're new" bands.

Nevertheless I shall heed your suggestion and download a Reverend Bizarre album. Orodruin are ownage, by the way.

[QUOTE=Werny]

Nevertheless I shall heed your suggestion and download a Reverend Bizarre album. Orodruin are ownage, by the way.[/QUOTE]

I never suggested you DOWNLOAD a Reverend Bizarre album. I think you should download a song and if you like it you can go to a shop and BUY the bloody thing!

i disagree with most of your points. Doom bands are no more just copying Black Sabbath anymore than funeral doom bands are copying Thergothon or doom/death bands are copying My Dying Bride. You can have respect for your influences and share a common sound without being copycats. If we only listened to bands with a completely original sound we'd only have 4 CDs in our collections!

Hey Phototropic, I listened to all of that Bomb the Sun EP, and I loved it. That music kicks some serious ***.

Oh yeah I forgot to comment about that, it's really great. Great length for an EP aswell! I'll keep my eyes on these guys.

[QUOTE=Jondur]I never suggested you DOWNLOAD a Reverend Bizarre album. I think you should download a song and if you like it you can go to a shop and BUY the bloody thing!

i disagree with most of your points. Doom bands are no more just copying Black Sabbath anymore than funeral doom bands are copying Thergothon or doom/death bands are copying My Dying Bride. You can have respect for your influences and share a common sound without being copycats. If we only listened to bands with a completely original sound we'd only have 4 CDs in our collections![/QUOTE]

Being a jobless 17 year old with download limit free internet, I download everything. Besides I was shocked and amazed to find a Trouble CD around here, there's no places here that would stock anything like the Reverend.

And to your second argument; NO. Have you even heard Skepticism or Tyranny? Completely different to Thergothon man, I mean the closest Skepticism come to sounding like Thergothon is some of the washy sounding guitar parts on Farmakon. And Tyranny is another completely different case, last time I checked Thergothon didn't drone on for 11 minutes for each song.

I've never heard any death/doom like Esoteric. They're truly bizarre. And I've never heard a death/doom band copy My Dying Bride, in fact I don't think I've heard of any that use keyboards or violins.

They're [i]influenced[/i] (maybe not even that) by Thergothon. Trad Doom bands [i]intentionally[/i] emulate Black Sabbath. I mean Claw Tower by Orodruin, as awesome as it is, just sounds like Into The Void, right down to the guitar tone. There's lots of bands that sound like another, but this is rather unintentional (good example being the large wave of Neurosis copycats).

[QUOTE=Werny]Being a jobless 17 year old with download limit free internet, I download everything.[/QUOTE]

No excuse. Get a job if you want to buy a CD - if you're too lazy to get a job then you can't have the things you want. F**** sake man I had two jobs at your age - this meant that I could buy CDs. If I was skint, I didn't go shoplifting!

[QUOTE]And to your second argument; NO. Have you even heard Skepticism or Tyranny? Completely different to Thergothon man, I mean the closest Skepticism come to sounding like Thergothon is some of the washy sounding guitar parts on Farmakon. [/QUOTE]

Dude, that was the point I was trying to make!

[QUOTE]And Tyranny is another completely different case, last time I checked Thergothon didn't drone on for 11 minutes for each song.[/QUOTE]

Oooh! Sounds ace! Where can I get some of this 11 minutes of drone music (oxymoron)??!!

[QUOTE]And I've never heard a death/doom band copy My Dying Bride, in fact I don't think I've heard of any that use keyboards or violins.[/QUOTE]


:confused: Really??? You've never heard a death doom band with keyboards? Are you joking? Maybe your definition of death doom is different to mine? So for example:

November's Doom, The Prophecy, Ataxerie, Decomposed etc Are they what you would call Death/doom?


[QUOTE]They're [i]influenced[/i] (maybe not even that) by Thergothon. Trad Doom bands [i]intentionally[/i] emulate Black Sabbath. I mean Claw Tower by Orodruin, as awesome as it is, just sounds like Into The Void, right down to the guitar tone. There's lots of bands that sound like another, but this is rather unintentional (good example being the large wave of Neurosis copycats).[/QUOTE]

Right, let's stop here. The only reason I got into this with you is comments like "Are there any Trad doom bands that actually play doom" when the answer is yes, they all play doom, Thergothon etc don't!

Incidentily, have a listen to Epicurian Mass by Orodruin - much thicker production than Clawtower (which was a demo), so I would guess not an intentional guitar tone at all.

[QUOTE=A_Guy]Hey Phototropic, I listened to all of that Bomb the Sun EP, and I loved it. That music kicks some serious ***.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kyle]Oh yeah I forgot to comment about that, it's really great. Great length for an EP aswell! I'll keep my eyes on these guys.[/QUOTE]

Glad you both liked

I'm not actually sure if its an EP or an album, they keep a low profile and don't say much

:smoke:

So I checked out [I]In The Rectory Of The Bizarre Reverend[/I]. Awesome stuff.

I think I need to investigate more into Orodruin.

[QUOTE=Jondur]No excuse. Get a job if you want to buy a CD - if you're too lazy to get a job then you can't have the things you want. F**** sake man I had two jobs at your age - this meant that I could buy CDs. If I was skint, I didn't go shoplifting![/QUOTE]

That's a moral argument right there, not a music one, so I'll agree to disagree so we're not wasting time.


[QUOTE=Jondur]Dude, that was the point I was trying to make! [/QUOTE]

What...you said they all copycat Thergothon. That confused me!


[QUOTE=Jondur]Oooh! Sounds ace! Where can I get some of this 11 minutes of drone music (oxymoron)??!![/QUOTE]

Fine. 11 minutes of ambience. 11 minutes of drone. I don't care whether it's music or not, I enjoy the mood and atmosphere of it.


[QUOTE=Jondur]:confused: Really??? You've never heard a death doom band with keyboards? Are you joking? Maybe your definition of death doom is different to mine? So for example:

November's Doom, The Prophecy, Ataxerie, Decomposed etc Are they what you would call Death/doom? [/QUOTE]

Ok you got me there, out of those bands the only one I've heard is November's Doom and perhaps I need to listen to them again. I remember their debut, yes, has female vocals but I don't remember any keyboards or violins.


[QUOTE=Jondur]Right, let's stop here. The only reason I got into this with you is comments like "Are there any Trad doom bands that actually play doom" when the answer is yes, they all play doom, Thergothon etc don't![/QUOTE]

I love being an elitist so I'm going to continue! Muahahahaha. They play a different style of doom, but they're still doom, buddy. Well... I'll let you get away with not calling them doom, but calling them slow death metal is ridiculous. You sound like one of those guys that goes "omg I can't understand what they're saying so they're untalented" or "oh they're growling, that means it's death metal, that means it's stupid".

[QUOTE=Jondur]Incidentily, have a listen to Epicurian Mass by Orodruin - much thicker production than Clawtower (which was a demo), so I would guess not an intentional guitar tone at all.[/QUOTE]

My mistake. I wasn't complaining about the tone sounding like Iommi, I don't care about tone, they can strive for his tone all they want. It's the riff itself damn you.

In other news, Dopesmoker by Sleep is... awesome. Very hypnotising.

Dopesmoker \m/

[QUOTE=Werny]That's a moral argument right there, not a music one, so I'll agree to disagree so we're not wasting time.[/QUOTE]

Trying to safeguard the future of the music I love is not wasting time. The ability of the bands you are stealing from to make music in the future is directly linked to the sales of their records. You're not stealing from millionaires like Metallica here, you're proposing to take something from three guys who all have jobs with which to support their families etc - if they want to play gigs etc they have to be able to sell enough records to justify it.

[QUOTE]What...you said they all copycat Thergothon. That confused me![/QUOTE]

I was actually trying to draw a parallel between you saying all doom bands are trying to copy Sabbath.

[QUOTE]I love being an elitist so I'm going to continue! Muahahahaha. [/QUOTE]

OK but I'm away on business from tomorrow so we'll have to wrap it up today.

[QUOTE].... calling them slow death metal is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

I hear a lot more similarity between [insert funeral doom or doom/death band name here] and say Autopsy than I do with [insert funeral doom or doom/death band name here] and the bands that started doom ie Pentagram, The Obsessed, St Vitus etc. Their music is built on ultra-heavy downtuned guitars and growled vocals - with the exception of the speed how is that not death metal? Bearing in mind that there are death metal bands that have experimented with atmospherics etc like Demigod for example.

Slow does not equal doom. A direct lineage from Sabbath through Pentagram then Vitus and Trouble makes you doom!

[QUOTE] You sound like one of those guys that goes "omg I can't understand what they're saying so they're untalented" or "oh they're growling, that means it's death metal, that means it's stupid".[/QUOTE]

I'm currently listening to Master. After that I'll probably stick some Repulsion on. I like my death, death and my doom, doom!

To whoever asked for my music:

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/theriver[/url] (a track with me playing)
[url]www.myspace.com/doomriver[/url] (a track after I'd left)

[url]http://www.unsilence.co.uk/mp3/unsilenceoceans.mp3[/url] (my old, old band)
[url]http://www.unsilence.co.uk/mp3/Unsilencegallery.mp3[/url] (older stuf from my old old band)

[QUOTE=Jondur]Trying to safeguard the future of the music I love is not wasting time. The ability of the bands you are stealing from to make music in the future is directly linked to the sales of their records. You're not stealing from millionaires like Metallica here, you're proposing to take something from three guys who all have jobs with which to support their families etc - if they want to play gigs etc they have to be able to sell enough records to justify it.[/QUOTE]

If I can't buy their records (they're not available around here, I checked) then how am I to support them? I respect that you want me to support them, and I wish I could, but I really can't until I get a credit card, and I don't want to wait weeks, even months, to get a CD from a band just so you can show me what true doom is. So you're wasting time because you're not going to convince me to buy CDs.

[QUOTE=Jondur]I was actually trying to draw a parallel between you saying all doom bands are trying to copy Sabbath.[/QUOTE]

Ah, that you did.


[QUOTE=Jondur]OK but I'm away on business from tomorrow so we'll have to wrap it up today.[/QUOTE]

I've made all the points I can make so yes, let's consider it wrapped. One more thing though...

[QUOTE=Jondur]I hear a lot more similarity between [insert funeral doom or doom/death band name here] and say Autopsy than I do with [insert funeral doom or doom/death band name here] and the bands that started doom ie Pentagram, The Obsessed, St Vitus etc. Their music is built on ultra-heavy downtuned guitars and growled vocals - with the exception of the speed how is that not death metal? Bearing in mind that there are death metal bands that have experimented with atmospherics etc like Demigod for example.

Slow does not equal doom. A direct lineage from Sabbath through Pentagram then Vitus and Trouble makes you doom!



I'm currently listening to Master. After that I'll probably stick some Repulsion on. I like my death, death and my doom, doom![/QUOTE]

Fair enough man, they do sound more death than doom, but the aesthetics and everything are completely different to death. I mean, even disEMBOWELMENT who have blastbeats quite often are clearly not just death with the occasional slow part. Lots of moaning and haunting clean guitar.

Mmmm death...I like my death brutal and my doom depressive...but both are groovy and that's all that counts.

[QUOTE=the2stranger]Dopesmoker \m/[/QUOTE]

I can always rely on you to agree with me on these things. Haha. Have you heard of Aarni? It's like Avant-Garde Doom, it's quite psychedelic.

[QUOTE=Werny]I can always rely on you to agree with me on these things. Haha. Have you heard of Aarni? It's like Avant-Garde Doom, it's quite psychedelic.[/QUOTE]
Avant-garde Doom?
This sounds too good to be true.
I will look them up and see if I can download some stuff.
thbnks for the recommendation.

also: Thanks to who uploaded the Bomb The Sun, it's good stuff I'm listening to the second track now.

[QUOTE=the2stranger]Avant-garde Doom?
This sounds too good to be true.
I will look them up and see if I can download some stuff.
thbnks for the recommendation.
[/QUOTE]

Damn right it's too good to be true. I've waited way too long for a band to do what they've done. It's essentially doom but there's a lot of folk and psychedelia influences in there.

Cool, my distro stocks Bathos.
:cool:
The cover art is damn psychedelic.

If anyone's into really really heavy, intense and gruesome Doom, you should check out the new Wormphlegm release, I just got it and well, they certainly live up to the "Torture Doom" label, this makes me feel like I'm in a dungeon or some****.

[QUOTE=CocaineAndCrucifixes]If anyone's into really really heavy, intense and gruesome Doom, you should check out the new Wormphlegm release, I just got it and well, they certainly live up to the "Torture Doom" label, this makes me feel like I'm in a dungeon or some****.[/QUOTE]

Muahahahaha! \m/

...actually I haven't heard them. I tried downloading it the other night and it cut out! Useless dial-up. I've never heard a description of their music other than that they're "torture doom"...could you help me there?