now, this goes a ways back, but someone said that the APC album "Thirteenth Step" is about addictions and whatnot...i think that might be right, because of the album title. When you go through AA, they put you on a Twelve step program, right? i don't know if anyone mentioned this before, but i've brought it up now.

that was some of my noodling analyses, amongst others...
i feel the album has a clear addiction theme, though you could easily interpret individual songs along other lines..
to me the 13th step is the mental one after the 12 'formal' steps.... "i choose to live"
For all of you who weren't grabbed by the music, maybe you'd get grabbed by the emotion/lyrics instead...

[QUOTE=xtreme450]now, this goes a ways back, but someone said that the APC album "Thirteenth Step" is about addictions and whatnot...i think that might be right, because of the album title. When you go through AA, they put you on a Twelve step program, right? i don't know if anyone mentioned this before, but i've brought it up now.[/QUOTE]

Yep. This also explains the filler tracks "Crimes" and "Lullaby."

Steps/Tracks 1-8 progress nicely, but afterwards it gets darker, implying that the "victim" is failing with those steps. We don't even make it to #13. It implies the victim didnt make it.

You can't use save target as :( any other ideas?

Just wait til downloads are available, you are not missing much. Listen to the original, still like it better than the APC version

Yeah i've listened to the stream...But the stream wont go on my ipod :upset:

[QUOTE=The JoZ]Yeah, really.

Playing as much Tool as I do...has only helped me big time.

I can play

All of Opiate
Almost all of Undertow
Almost all of Aenima
All of Lateralus, except for a few measures here and there.

:cool:

Took me a while though...and even then, I'm still not perfect.[/QUOTE]
I can play some of Tool...Aenema gives me the hardest time, its way too complicated, but if I sit down and just play it all day, I can do it.


God, I love Tool!

Joz, I would love for you to give me a lesson sometime

[QUOTE=IvortheEngineDriver]
Joz, I would love for you to give me a lesson sometime[/QUOTE]

A weekly lesson from Joz would be cool!

This week kids, we shall be learning the whole of Jimmy.

I keep getting stuck with certain bits on songs, like the mad string scrapes on Triad

I can play all of Lateralus, some parts of Aenema give me trouble. I can play most of Undertow, and all of Opiate. Jimmy is a fun song to play. If you are gonna play Tool then go to [URL=http://www.tooltabs.net]Tool Tabs[/URL] and download the archive at that site. Its really good and accurate.

i was walking around the record store yesterday and i heard some ignorant jackass say that tool and a perfect circle are the same. i had to speak up and disagree with him, and he just got pissed and left the store. i wanted to know what you guys think of that statement.

I find them similair. But in fact the only thing the same is maynard, when even he is supposedly different in each band. Joe billy public probably can't tell the difference, and to be honest i was the same once. I couldn't care if it was metallica or slipknot it was just too heavy. To critiscise someones opinon when you don't know their reasons to back it up. Thats rather ignorant, infact maybe so ignorant he left the store.

/sorry me = phillosophical mood

[QUOTE=xtreme450]i was walking around the record store yesterday and i heard some ignorant jackass say that tool and a perfect circle are the same. i had to speak up and disagree with him, and he just got pissed and left the store. i wanted to know what you guys think of that statement.[/QUOTE]


One of my favourite record stores in Nottingham has all their APC albums under Tool, which I find wrong. But I cant be mad at them, since they gave me my copy of Salival :D

[QUOTE=ToolOwnsYou]Ok guys, here is your "Official" Tool thread. Anything Tool related belongs here, don't create new threads. Also feel free to Discuss A Perfect Circle, Pigmy Love Circus, Zaum, or any other projects the guys from Tool work on. If you post something negative about Tool post up why you think and feel that way. If you post up "Tool Sucks" and don't give your reasoning your not gonna like the consequences.

Ok, lets have some good conversation and everyone enjoy. SFK.





TOOL Music Theory.

This is my attempt to make a decent thread where TOOL fans can come and discuss
What they think TOOL song(s) mean to them, or what message was the band trying to get across.
As the band put it, in an interview, TOOL likes to leave their message hard to grab, they
want you to use your brain. TOOL wants you to make your own meaning of the song, or grasp
what the song means to them.

I’m looking for theory/opinion, lyrical/musical breakdown of a song, Please don’t spam this thread by writing about how you feel about any certain band member, who best or better, any “A Perfect Circle/Tool� relations… lets try to keep this theory, and theory only. (i.e. “Maynard is so cool!� “Danny is the best!�
“A Perfect Circle is better then TOOL etc etc etc…)

If you are going to post, please no “your theory on Aenima, was lame!� if you are going to post that, please have enough thinking power, to post your own theory if you feel something was incorrect. Intelligence is the key factor for this thread!!! If you are missing a few bolts upstairs, save yourself from the humiliation, and save us the wasted time that we had to use to read your meaningless post. If you are doing a breakdown of a song, please quote lyrics, so everyone can be on the same page. An overview is acceptable also..

Here is an example of what I am looking for….

[b]
Album:Opiate
Track: Opiate
[/b]

I feel this track is being narrated through a pastor/preacher’s point of view. There is always controversy about if this song is to make you look down, or not believe in Christ. My opinion is the song is talking down about Christ in a sarcastic way…

[B][I]
Jesus Christ, why don't you
come save my life.
Open my eyes and blind me
with your light
and your lies.
[/I] [/B]

On top of that Maynard is making fun of religion, by calling a “religious person� blind, deaf, dumb, & born to follow.

[B][I]
Choices always were a problem for you.
What you need is someone strong to guide you.
Deaf and blind and dumb and born to follow,
what you need is someone strong to use you...
like me,
like me.
[/I][/B]

Meaning Christians, or a religious person cannot guide themselves in their own direction in life, they cant make their own choices to be happy in life, they have to “follow� someone to have any sense or happiness in their life. Or the metaphor “blind, deaf, dumb� meaning a person who doesn’t see through lies or gimmicks, yet sees millions of other doing it, so he/she follows.

[B][I]
My God's will
becomes me.
When he speaks out,
he speaks through me.
He has needs
like I do.
We both want
to rape you.
[/I][/B]

Back to how I was saying this song is through a pastors point of view, I feel the “needs� he speaks of, is money. And “raping� you would be you sitting there believing lies so he can take all your donation money.


[B]Welp there ya go.. there is a basic outline of "opiate" hope this works out the way I plan... happy posting..[/B].

:evil:[/QUOTE]

OMG i fvcking thank you so very much for putting up this thread! its about time that all the TOOL freaks get together and finally talk about something worth while! You said something in your post about APC, Pigmy Love Circus, Zaum...but what about The TexAns and Children of the Anachronistic Dynasty(C.A.D)???? those were also other bands Maynard was in while growing up! thanks again for the post!!! your def. someone i must keep an eye on!...........i hope you choke!!!

Here is a link to my kit. Bet ya can't guess what drummer inspired it! I'll put up some more links when I get the rest of the parts in for it this week... You need to scroll down to the bottom of the page.....

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222631&page=10&pp=25[/url]

That's a real nice kit man.

If you don't mind me asking, how much did all that run you?

I want drums, really bad, but can't have em at my house :(

I thought this was TOOL thread.

[QUOTE=Atreyu346]I thought this was TOOL thread.[/QUOTE]
this is hes just showing his kit that the drummer of tool inspired

wich by the way, does any one know what type of kit Justin Chancellor uses?

The Paiste website has all his stuff, he's on the artist list.

[QUOTE=Shortstuff]The Paiste website has all his stuff, he's on the artist list.[/QUOTE]
k ummm i don't know where that is, i used the search button but nothign that matched waht you sais, so do you have a link or soemtihng, by chance?

Tool reminds me of the metal-version of Fugazi.

Not releasing too much merchandise/pictures. Keeping to themselves.

But I only own one Tool CD. And I own 4 Fugazi so I don't know much about it. How about you people?

CoopALoop: Justin Chanceller plays bass. I think you mean Danny Carey, the drummer...

He uses a custom bronze kit I believe. Both acoustic and electric (simmons trigger pads) with a roland MC-505 and other goodies. Try [url]http://www.paiste.com[/url] or [url]http://www.dannycarey.com[/url] or use google.

Dislocated: They have tons of T-Shirts and such available. I own retail versions of all the albums except for Salival because I'm not paying upwards of $100 for it.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]im not into tool that much. but i do like the song sober, and from the tool videos ive seen they strike as pretty weird but, i still think manyard is a good songwriter..... and one more thing i heard maynard is a necropheliac is that true???[/QUOTE]

ok first of.....kid.... no Maynard James is NOT a necropheliac! christ! what in the hell is wrong with you and who in the fvck did u hear this **** from! TOOL has alwayz been my favorite band!!! and Maynard James Keenan is my fvckin IDOL!!!! i worship him!!! but no hes not a fvckin necropheliac!! ****..........i hope you choke!!!

[QUOTE=TOOLphreak_46and2]ok first of.....kid.... no Maynard James is NOT a necropheliac! christ! what in the hell is wrong with you and who in the fvck did u hear this **** from! TOOL has alwayz been my favorite band!!! and Maynard James Keenan is my fvckin IDOL!!!! i worship him!!! but no hes not a fvckin necropheliac!! ****..........i hope you choke!!![/QUOTE]
I hope you get brain. I was asking about a RUMOR, I didn't say it was true.

Why even bring up an old post?

[QUOTE=-Listy-]whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back[/QUOTE]


wow....every song by TOOL is good! you cant just fvck around and listen to them...you have to SIT down and actually LISTEN to them....become them and think about what Maynard is singing about!!! Maynards voice is fvckin insane! its awesome!!!! but some good songs are......The Patient, "H" , Third Eye, Opiate, Forty Six & 2, Pu****, Jerk-Off,Ticks and Leeches ...hell theres ALOT more...but...this should get u started!!!

I hate to break it to you there are better bands out there.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]I hate to break it to you there are better bands out there.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you, don't slam on bands in thier official bands unless you have a worthwhile arguement and an opinion. Just merely stating, they suck or there are better bands out there doesnt cut it. These threads are for the fans of the bands to discuss the band, its members or whatever else. I won't let official threads turn into slam fests.

As far as why I put a link to my kit in here it is because it is a Carey inspired kit.

I wasn't slamming them, I do like them. I just can't stand idiotic rambling.

[QUOTE=TOOLphreak_46and2]wow....every song by TOOL is good! you cant just fvck around and listen to them...you have to SIT down and actually LISTEN to them....become them and think about what Maynard is singing about!!! Maynards voice is fvckin insane! its awesome!!!! but some good songs are......The Patient, "H" , Third Eye, Opiate, Forty Six & 2, Pu****, Jerk-Off,Ticks and Leeches ...hell theres ALOT more...but...this should get u started!!![/QUOTE]

Hell yeah dude!!!!!

its hard when reading through the posts from beginning to end, to resist commenting on them like toolphreak has...
but give him a break!

NB on danny's site, somewhere he mentions that he no longer uses his custom bronze Paiste kit....he didn't for the the Aus tour i saw him on in 2002, maybe he's using it again?

i think both tool n APC are among the bands that you need to let yourself go with them in order to appreciate it...
if you don't allow yourself to be taken with the music, tool can sound pretty uninteresting...
refer to Carlos Castaneda's [I]A Yaqui Way of Knowledge[/I] or sufi music teachings, its the only way to describe that 'letting go'
Not that this is true for everyone, but it is for me and many fellow toolheads...
Cause when you do go with it....
I won't gush any more, i've been doing that enough in this thread :)
its great!