Orwell= :cool:

By the way, my theory would also only work if the entire community was struggling to survive.

im off to bed
tomorrow
g'night all :wave:

The war in Iraw is stupid. Why? There is no reason for it. Obviously, the "war" was actually for the US to control the oil. If it was truly because of September 11, the war would be against Terrorism ( as Bush says the war was :rolleyes: ), not just against Iraq. Not to mention, Israel and Korea actually have weapons, yet the US hasn't declared war against them. To me, it is either because:

1) Everyone would hate Bush

2) They get nothing out of it, thus, supporting my "theory" on the Iraq thing

3) Fear.

Either way, my post yet again made no sense whatsoever.

[QUOTE=Foxfire]I would actually love a fretless Precision.

With a tremolo.

That'd be so cool.[/QUOTE]
Shush :(...

the only way that Communism could work in a modern society is through the techniques and governing tools of Fascism. there would need to be an amalgam of the two's policies and ideals to truly work

but this is a very far fetched and roughly sketched idea i had whilst studying politics for a while. sadly i dropped the course and never really got to fully work out my ideas

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]The war in Iraw is stupid. Why? There is no reason for it. Obviously, the "war" was actually for the US to control the oil. If it was truly because of September 11, the war would be against Terrorism ( as Bush says the war was :rolleyes: ), not just against Iraq. Not to mention, Israel and Korea actually have weapons, yet the US hasn't declared war against them. To me, it is either because:

1) Everyone would hate Bush

2) They get nothing out of it, thus, supporting my "theory" on the Iraq thing

3) Fear.

Either way, my post yet again made no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Nah, that's basically how half of the United States feels. It's all good.

I have to say President Bush doesnt know what hes doing. Just when I am about to start to support his actions, he pulls another dumb Texas move, and I hate him again.
He doesn't have the support a good president should.

*yawns* meesa tired...

Paul: Referring to earlier post, worldwide communism (or whatever is called) is impossible at the moment, but I thought you were referring to a specific nation or whatever, so sorry for the misunderstandment (sp?).

Jaco Jr: Good night.

To whomever: I HATE ANIMAL FARM.

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]if, and that is a massiv IF, the whole world truly embraced the concepts of Communism then the planet would be a much better place....sad that teh greed and selfishness of humanity sorta kills that a bit :upset:[/QUOTE]
Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.

see ya jaco jr and yeah i have read animal farm its a really good read actualy, highly recomend it

[QUOTE=Radiobass81]The war in Iraw is stupid. Why? There is no reason for it. Obviously, the "war" was actually for the US to control the oil. If it was truly because of September 11, the war would be against Terrorism ( as Bush says the war was :rolleyes: ), not just against Iraq. Not to mention, Israel and Korea actually have weapons, yet the US hasn't declared war against them. To me, it is either because:

1) Everyone would hate Bush

2) They get nothing out of it, thus, supporting my "theory" on the Iraq thing

3) Fear.

Either way, my post yet again made no sense whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
as you say, the war was about oil. the main downfall of the Capitalist society is that it is wholly reliant upon oil and other such commodities and the governments direct control over this. that is the ONLY reason why the US and UK wanted Sad**** Hussein removed, because he compromised their control over the oil

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/QUOTE]

Well, I don't know. If people weren't rewarded for doing things, they wouldn't be able to follow hobbies that were not considered "useful."

For example, music...music is generally for pleasure more than anything else. It doesn't make crops grow or make food get manufactured.

You know what I hate about what we now call democracy (which is actually closer to capitalism, if anything)?

Yet again, Men ruing everything. People nowadays are voting for the political franchise, not the da[size=1][/size]mn person running for it. In my eyes, that is the only reason why Bush won.

[QUOTE=ElKapitan]as you say, the war was about oil. the main downfall of the Capitalist society is that it is wholly reliant upon oil and other such commodities and the governments direct control over this. that is the ONLY reason why the US and UK wanted Sad**** Hussein removed, because he compromised their control over the oil[/QUOTE]

Hydrogen fuel cells for the winnar.

[QUOTE=Foxfire]Well, I don't know. If people weren't rewarded for doing things, they wouldn't be able to follow hobbies that were not considered "useful."

For example, music...music is generally for pleasure more than anything else. It doesn't make crops grow or make food get manufactured.[/QUOTE]

Very true :thumb: i would add something to this debate but well, you know, i'm lazy...

I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, [B]althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/B][/QUOTE]
i had this exact same conversation with a uni friend
the oucome of which was that each human should have the absic human right of access to sustinance. not food, necessarily, but nutrion packs that keep them alive but aren't necessarily tasty
and other such boring ideas

Bush - the countdown begins.
3.5 years left.

[QUOTE=RJDBass]Its really not greed that stops communism from being truely excellent its more the fact that humans can't help but want to be rewarded for doing something, [B]althought you would think that having food and shelter for free would be enough.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thus, greed begins, or so I think.

[QUOTE=jaco jr]nope
is it any good
i also recommend you read Devil's Party
its about charlatan messiahs
quite interesting actually[/QUOTE]

It's excellent, but oddly short.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.[/QUOTE]
India have so many nuclear warheads they can't control them or maintain them properly yet noone seems to give a rats a[SIZE=2]ss[/SIZE]

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]I believe there are a lot of factors behing the war in Iraq. Bush obviously wanted oil, he didn't like the current regime, and there was always the rumors of nuclear warheads there, which I doubt ever existed. I also think that we haven't invaded Korea because their leader is a crazy sonofabitch. I can't say much for Isreal, other than it would be a massive mess to try and do anything there.[/QUOTE]
That guy is insane, he has an obsession with Daffy Duck and American films (he has 20,000 in his room!)

Thank the CIA for that useful piece of information :rolleyes:

I think India would be a mess too, as many of you Brits know. Ghandi is dead though, so maybe not. I think Bush is just being lazy now, and he doesn't want to deal with any more wars.

Seriously, I'm scared that the Korean guy will just decide to blow everyone else up sometime.

ok, one thing i don't understand about this 'war on terror' is why hasn't Bush of Blair targetted ETA or the IRA and gone to war with them or shot them in the streets like dogs?
i makes me truly sick!

oh well i better go, see you guys around

I'm so not following this thread tonight :lol:

Seeing as he admits he had nuclear bombs, it seems to me that, although he may be a bit of a loon, he actually doesn't want to start trouble. He did say he only made them for self-defense purposes...

Of course, like I said, I do know nothing.

[QUOTE=neal_672]I'm so not following this thread tonight :lol:[/QUOTE]
just pretend that ur intelligent and waffle using long words, its survived me through 3 years of university and 2 years of A Levels :thumb: