[quote=gaslight;17691212]The less links in the chain you can get away with, the better.[/quote]


It's true, but I'd rather have a slightly noisy signal that fits well in the mix than a perfectly noiseless signal that sounds poopty.

The noise can be reduced some in the mixing stage with very little degradation to my tone, so I'd rather go with that option.

In any case, I only use three pedals and an A/B/Y switch, so I have very little to worry about it.

It's not so much signal degradation which most people won't notice anyway, just the old rule of thumb - every extra piece of equipment is another thing that can go wrong. Just something to keep in mind, not a rule or a denunciation of gear.

She'll be right though it's cool.

too much emphasis on aspects of music that don't really matter itt

you know tbqh this whole forum is designed to facilitate the type of thinking that ruins music

fragmented thinking

"bass goes here guitar goes here drums go here"

wtb a converge of all instrument forums into one "music" forum and thats it

that will

A) increase thread and post count
B) introduce people to new things about music
C) provide more opportunities to troll effectively

C) being the most important, worthwhile and enjoyable

If trolling pointlessly was related to music Raayl would be living in a house built of gold records.

:lol:

no because tbqh i dont troll people just say that to make it easier to digest truth that i speak

Yeah you pretty much struck gold with the fragmented thinking argument.

The dudes I admire most musically, whether they're big time or small time, is the ones that write, perform, record and produce everything. And they don't have to be virtuosos in every instrument. They're (usually) really good at one instrument, then proficient enough to back up their song writing skills with other instruments.

The reason why this works is because they have the bigger picture in mind all the time. Not whether they should boost their bass at 300hz and cut some of the high mids so that their bass sound is as godly as possible.

Imo every band that should have a sole songwriter or a partnership songwriting structure. Then they teach the parts to the band, or just let them run with it. This way one person is comprehensively in charge of everything that usually goes wrong in a band that idk, just jam for 20 minutes and hope a song comes out. i.e. harmony, good melody, thoughtful lyrics, interesting chord progessions/riffs.

people im thinking about when i say holistic musicians

1) jordan of my band starsmog
2) mike patton
3) trent reznor
4) havic
5) hans zimmer
6) les claypool

I'd like to add Claudio sanchez and Max bemis, lol not that anybody cares.

wtf are they

Coheed and Cambria's singer/guitarist/only songwriter.

Max is from Say Anything. On their first proper record he played every instrument and on their second he played everything cept the bass cause the bassist in their band is better than him. Dunno about their third.

But anywho.

[quote=Joelbassman;17691475]Yeah you pretty much struck gold with the fragmented thinking argument.

The dudes I admire most musically, whether they're big time or small time, is the ones that write, perform, record and produce everything. And they don't have to be virtuosos in every instrument. They're (usually) really good at one instrument, then proficient enough to back up their song writing skills with other instruments.

The reason why this works is because they have the bigger picture in mind all the time. Not whether they should boost their bass at 300hz and cut some of the high mids so that their bass sound is as godly as possible.

Imo every band that should have a sole songwriter or a partnership songwriting structure. Then they teach the parts to the band, or just let them run with it. This way one person is comprehensively in charge of everything that usually goes wrong in a band that idk, just jam for 20 minutes and hope a song comes out. i.e. harmony, good melody, thoughtful lyrics, interesting chord progessions/riffs.[/quote]

This is essentially what my guitarist and I do. We write most of the song, and I keep in mind the drum and vocal parts all along the way. I don't think of the drums specifically, but more that they should accent certain beats during a phrase, and that they should be heavier/lighter in certain areas. I do similar things with the vocals too. If I have a melody that I really like and that works with it, I'll throw it my lead singer's direction, but I don't want to take away from their creativity and voice, so I let them fill in all the cracks.

I can't imagine writing a song and NOT having every part in mind, at least somewhat. If you're writing a song, you're writing a song, not an instrument's part.

[quote=Joelbassman;17691485]I'd like to add Claudio Sanchez...[/quote]

I LOVE Coheed and Cambria. Claudio is disgustingly talented. An incredible vocalist, guitarist, and all-around musician. The way he can play some of stuff he plays while singing absolutely baffles me. Their music is much more complex than they get credit for.

And speaking of under-appreciated, technically complex music in mainstream pop, John Mayer's music is amazing as well. The guy is an incredible blues guitarist that I would otherwise only give to Derek Trucks, SRV, and Eric Clapton, and yet he hides it in his music very well.

That's a very wise way to write music.

Otherwise you'll get to the end of the writing the music and going 'well damn, I can't get a cool beat to this rhythm...or...well damn, I can't think of a decent melody to go over this riff".

I.e. what happens with my guitarist...

Not that we have a singer yet, but jesus good luck to him once we find one.. *sigh*

Yeah man I can't get my head around how he plays lead parts and sings over it at the same time. I guess it's the same way most polyrythmic stuff works but idk, I'm guessing seperating voice from your hands would be harder.

I'd go as far as saying Claudio and Travis are actually some of the best guitarists in the world at what they do, and then some. I mean have you seen the improvised jams they do on The Final Cut?

Not to mention their artistic scope as far as concept albums go.

*fanboyism off now*

[quote=Joelbassman;17691669]Yeah man I can't get my head around how he plays lead parts and sings over it at the same time. I guess it's the same way most polyrythmic stuff works but idk, I'm guessing seperating voice from your hands would be harder.

I'd go as far as saying Claudio and Travis are actually some of the best guitarists in the world at what they do, and then some. I mean have you seen the improvised jams they do on The Final Cut?

Not to mention their artistic scope as far as concept albums go.

*fanboyism off now*[/quote]

Concept albums? COCA is a CONCEPT BAND. It's flippin' tight.

Yes, I've seen the improvisation that they do, and it blows me away.

Claudio's harmonies are scary as well, because they're so creative and not overdone.

I hate the way Travis plays.


Claudio is a badass though, and he's pretty cool in person which is extra bonus points.






On the other hand, I now have a cop 'stache.

My dad's not so subtly said santa might be bringing me a EHX memory boy. Happy days!

[quote=karmapavementplan;17691759]My dad's not so subtly said santa might be bringing me a EHX memory boy. Happy days![/quote]

Awesome! I love EHX pedals... Let me know how you like the Memory Boy.

We're doing a giftless Christmas in my household this year, so I'll be buying myself my gifts, but it's cool nonetheless.

I heard from myself that Santa will be selling my Boss ODB-3 and my Wasabi Forward/Reverse Delay and buying me a DOD EQ pedal and an EHX Bass Big Muff Pi. :)


KPP, what's your pedal setup look like these days?

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17691773]Awesome! I love EHX pedals... Let me know how you like the Memory Boy.

We're doing a giftless Christmas in my household this year, so I'll be buying myself my gifts, but it's cool nonetheless.

I heard from myself that Santa will be selling my Boss ODB-3 and my Wasabi Forward/Reverse Delay and buying me a DOD EQ pedal and an EHX Bass Big Muff Pi. :)


KPP, what's your pedal setup look like these days?[/QUOTE]

At the moment it's small, just a ehx bass blogger and korg pitchblack, although hopefully it'll have the memory boy after chirstmas. Got a job interview coming up, so hopefully I'll be saving for a Dead by Audio Interstellar Overdrive and get a good Place To Bury Strangers vibe out of it.

Santa sounds like his has a deep sack for you! You a bit of a pedal freak, then?

[quote=karmapavementplan;17691797]At the moment it's small, just a ehx bass blogger and korg pitchblack, although hopefully it'll have the memory boy after chirstmas. Got a job interview coming up, so hopefully I'll be saving for a Dead by Audio Interstellar Overdrive and get a good Place To Bury Strangers vibe out of it.

Santa sounds like his has a deep sack for you! You a bit of a pedal freak, then?[/quote]

Not really a pedal freak, but I'm finding more and more use for them for minor tone changes in parts of our songs.

Currently I have:
Morley ABY
DigiTech Grunge
Boss CE-2

And then hopefully those two (muff & EQ) and I should be totally set. Although I'm craving a vibrato and tremolo pedal, I can't see any realistic application for them in our music for a bass setting. I barely use the ones I have now.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17691806]Not really a pedal freak, but I'm finding more and more use for them for minor tone changes in parts of our songs.

Currently I have:
Morley ABY
DigiTech Grunge
Boss CE-2

And then hopefully those two (muff & EQ) and I should be totally set. Although I'm craving a vibrato and tremolo pedal, I can't see any realistic application for them in our music for a bass setting. I barely use the ones I have now.[/QUOTE]

I think sometimes the effects themselves need to be used and played like an instrument and you can write songs around them that way, maybe that's what you need to find uses for your pedals?

Having said that I'm largely the victim of our guitarist's influence who's set up is about 10-20 pedals at the moment. We're really just a lot of noise, really, on a sonic youth grunge vibe/part chimp - I'm guessing that because you're a long time poster you're probably more technical than that, so I can see how that'd probably be a problem. I think our musical structuring involving pedals is basically stamp on some massively loud pedal for the chorus, and step on a trippy pedal for the verses.

[quote=karmapavementplan;17691817]I think sometimes the effects themselves need to be used and played like an instrument and you can write songs around them that way, maybe that's what you need to find uses for your pedals?

Having said that I'm largely the victim of our guitarist's influence who's set up is about 10-20 pedals at the moment. We're really just a lot of noise, really, on a sonic youth grunge vibe/part chimp - I'm guessing that because you're a long time poster you're probably more technical than that, so I can see how that'd probably be a problem. I think our musical structuring involving pedals is basically stamp on some massively loud pedal for the chorus, and step on a trippy pedal for the verses.[/quote]

I still enjoy pedals and goofing around with them, but I like to let my playing do most of the talking. I'm in a hard rock band with two guitarists, so unless I'm doing a bridge, solo, or intro, there isn't much need or room for crazy effects.

Any time I use effects (mostly on my digitech BP200), I usually am jamming out on a guitar and coming up with crazy guitar stuff.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17691820]I still enjoy pedals and goofing around with them, but I like to let my playing do most of the talking. I'm in a hard rock band with two guitarists, so unless I'm doing a bridge, solo, or intro, there isn't much need or room for crazy effects.

Any time I use effects (mostly on my digitech BP200), I usually am jamming out on a guitar and coming up with crazy guitar stuff.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I suppose if you have 2 tight guitarists finding room to shine and use fx must be hard. My band has two guitarists, but the second one only sometimes plays and is mainly texture, she sings the rest of the time.

I once sat and watch a whole documentary on the history of fuzz pedals. They had a tour of EHX factory and an interview with the founder - he's quite sleazy and seems to only higher pretty young south american women to actually build the pedals... he also has a pet parrot that flys around the factory.

[quote=Raayl;17691482]people im thinking about when i say holistic musicians

1) jordan of my band starsmog
2) mike patton
3) trent reznor
4) havic
5) hans zimmer
6) les claypool[/quote]
And Ben Kenney.

Well, DOD EQ and Big Muff Pi are on their way.

EMG HZs and SD Basslines just sold.

Hipshot bridge, Boss ODB-3, Wasabi Delay, Aphex Xciter are all next to find their way to eBay.

My head feels better, it only hurts when I breathe now!

[quote=funkyhoney;17692598]My head feels better, it only hurts when I breathe now![/quote]

So stop breathing.

Problem solver! Who wants me on their corporate team?

BAM! Genius.