[QUOTE=Jude]Not to mention I would take Martin Lopez's incredible finesse and subtle style over any in-your-face, play-as-fast-and-loud-as-I-can metal drummer any day. He is to drums what Mikael Akerfeldt is to songwriting in metal.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, but whats wrong with a truly aggressive beat for the more brutal sections?

Either that or it will sound a lot more technical, and very blasty.

My parents think blast beats is music from the devil. :(

They don't mind Harvest though. Harvest gets everyone.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Well yeah, but whats wrong with a truly aggressive beat for the more brutal sections?[/QUOTE]
Far as I can tell Opeth have had some insanely brutal beats...brutaller than anything I've heard. Then again I don't listen to anything heavier than Opeth so I wouldn't know, but they sound plenty aggressive to me at times like Wreath or Deliverance.

I'd love to hear some more stuff like the middle part of Under the Weeping Moon.

I was just thinking of those 2 songs... but imagine an even more death metal like beat over the first few min in Wreath? I think if used correctly, blast beats could sound nice in Opeth. But it won't ever happen, so forget it...

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]How is it cliche?[/QUOTE]
Because every heavy band with death metal influences uses them. I see no reason to start using them as Lopez's style crushes any blastbeat in Opeth songs.

I just don't want to see them in my favorite band, I love the drumming as it is. Maybe VERY light use of them, but nothing more.

Opeth really uses no techniques that metal bands haven't used 3627505 times beforehand. If anything blast beats would be very fresh sounding, since they've never used them before. I can picture them making Deliverance even better.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Opeth really uses no techniques that metal bands haven't used 3627505 times beforehand. If anything blast beats would be very fresh sounding, since they've never used them before. I can picture them making Deliverance even better.[/QUOTE]
Even they're heavy stuff is very melodic. I just don't see how blast beats would accentuate their melodies.

Listen to the intros of Wreath and Deliverance. Does that sound particularly melodic? I'm not saying use them whenever possible, but if they used them during especially brutal times like those two intros, it would sound great.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Opeth really uses no techniques that metal bands haven't used 3627505 times beforehand. If anything blast beats would be very fresh sounding, since they've never used them before. I can picture them making Deliverance even better.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree. Just something new that could work well for them, thats all.

I don't even know a "blast beat" is :\

I'm preferring Axe right now. I like his little snare rolls on songs like Deliverance atm, as opposed to the tom fills M-Lo did. I posted this on the Opeth forum, but I wouldn't mind Lopez as a strictly studio drummer/songwriter while Axe plays the stuff live, as long as he can pull it off.

"Blast beat is a drum beat consisting of rapid alternating strokes on the snare and bass drums. The snare drum forms the focus of such a beat, with bass drum often played beneath the snare to create a 'wall of sound'. The hi-hat or a ride cymbal is often played simultaneously with either the bass drum or rarely with the snare drum, however crash cymbal or china cymbals can often be featured as well. Bell accents on the ride cymbal are often employed in the same manner as accents in funkier drumming styles in order to give the beat an emphasised 'push'. Diverse patterns and timings are also frequently used by more technical players." - Wikipedia.

I've noticed that blast beats usually detract more from a song then add to it. They sound really off on occasion with the rest of the music.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I've noticed that blast beats usually detract more from a song then add to it. They sound really off on occasion with the rest of the music.[/QUOTE]

I agree with those sentiments.

[QUOTE=Shattered_Future]I've noticed that blast beats usually detract more from a song then add to it. They sound really off on occasion with the rest of the music.[/QUOTE]
Check out "Thorns On My Grave" by Emperor.. I think that sounds awesome.

Karma = opeths heaviest

/now listening to "on an island" by david gilmour but when i hop in the car in a few mins, KARRAMMMMAAAAA

Someone needs to teach Opeth the meaning of the word "motif", and tell them to apply it to their music.

To be fair, they aren't as bad as Enmity or Origin (particularly on their first album) when it comes to lack of direction or motif in their music.

Check out Still Life and My Arms Your Hearse, they are concept albums. Blackwater Park also has a lot of motifs running through it, lyrically. These are the most noticeable, at least.

to bring up a topic from a few pages ago:

mine are
Radiohead
Hendrix
The Beatles
Sigur Ros
Pink Floyd

Mine would be:

Tool
Radiohead
Mastodon
Nine Inch Nails
The Smashing Pumpkins

Probably the five most influential bands, for me, outside of Opeth.. although five is too few.. as, I believe, was mentioned before.

Interesting to see how there seems to be quite a few Radiohead fans that are also fans of Opeth.

[QUOTE==-fukifiknow-=]Karma = opeths heaviest

/now listening to "on an island" by david gilmour but when i hop in the car in a few mins, KARRAMMMMAAAAA[/QUOTE]



That's my Favorite Opeth song. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Flynn]That's my Favorite Opeth song. :thumb:[/QUOTE]
Better then Black Rose Immortal?!

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Better then Black Rose Immortal?![/QUOTE]
Better than Black Rose Immortal!

[QUOTE=Ist Nein Kreig]Someone needs to teach Opeth the meaning of the word "motif", and tell them to apply it to their music.

To be fair, they aren't as bad as Enmity or Origin (particularly on their first album) when it comes to lack of direction or motif in their music.[/QUOTE]

Someone did, and the product was My Arms Your Hearse-Ghost Reveries.

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]:chug: Those guys are awesome...don't get nearly as much attention as they deserve. Eppur Si Muove = :amaze: .[/QUOTE]
I know man, I made a Haggard thread last year and it failed horribly but their awesome indeed. IMO their best album is Awaking The Centuries (and also their best song). :)

[QUOTE=Moses]I'd love to hear some more stuff like the middle part of Under the Weeping Moon.[/QUOTE]

Atonement reminds me of that style a bit.

I don't think blast beats would fit in Opeth. I'm a huge fan of them, and I've rarely heard one that I thought didn't fit, but I think they'd take away a lot of the subtlety and power of Opeth's music. I enjoy hearing a really heavy part that doesn't rely on constant blasting to make it aggressive. Deliverance, Karma, Demon of the Fall, the middle of Serenity Painted Death.. all examples of what I'm talking about.

OPETH tomorrow. I am so excited!

I just bought Camel- Moonmadness. I figured they would be good cause Mike praises them so highly and also I'm into 70's prog like KC and Yes. Anyone else get into Camel?

Yeah, I've heard a few Camel songs. Good stuff.

I tried chcking out camel a couple times. Didnt quite succeed at finding anything and there wasnt anything in the music store.
I think i need a special order or sumfin

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Better then Black Rose Immortal?![/QUOTE]

Now that I've thought about it, no. But Karma is up there, real close...

[QUOTE=Flynn]Now that I've thought about it, no. But Karma is up there, real close...[/QUOTE]

/sigh of relief


I thought we lost our good ol' Morningrise fanboy for a second. :thumb:

:lol: I'll [I]always[/I] be a Morningrise fanboy. :)

[QUOTE=Toaster]Atonement reminds me of that style a bit.

I don't think blast beats would fit in Opeth. I'm a huge fan of them, and I've rarely heard one that I thought didn't fit, but I think they'd take away a lot of the subtlety and power of Opeth's music. I enjoy hearing a really heavy part that doesn't rely on constant blasting to make it aggressive. Deliverance, Karma, Demon of the Fall, the middle of Serenity Painted Death.. all examples of what I'm talking about.[/QUOTE]

I don't like blast beats but I like a lot of double bass.... Yanic Bercier of Quo Vadis does it really well. There's no blast beats in his drumming but it's still some of the fastest around (lots of fills)

I think one of Opeth's best 'heavy' moments is the breakdown part @ 4:10 in Gost of Perdition, in clean vocals too, surprisingly. No blast beats, growling, or fast drumming, and it's still powerful as hell.

^ Kind of like all (save the slow part) of Blackwater Park.. only a select few parts are fast, but its all brutal as hell.

[QUOTE=Flynn]:lol: I'll [I]always[/I] be a Morningrise fanboy. :)[/QUOTE]
Good to hear. :p

Yea, BWP conveys its true evil without speed or blast beats.

In all honesty, Still Day Beneath The Sun is probably the best song i've ever heard. I'm not comparing it to any music standards. It's just so amazing. I can't even describe it, its just so wonderful. Man did i make this post sound fanboyish or what. Oh well, this is the greatest song ever in my book.

^ Yes, that song is excellent.

I have to sort of agree with you there. While it's not the best song EVER (that goes to either And Then There Was Silence by Blind Guardian or Ghost Love Score by Nightwish :thumb:) it certainly is one of the best acoustic songs Opeth has done.

I just get so much out of the song (Still Day Beneath The Sun). It makes you feel so much. I'm starting to sound like a little emo bitch, this'll probly be my last post about this.