People need to stop crying and whining about how metallica are sellouts. if a band tries to make it big, they need album sales, and they cant make that money when 500,000 people download that album instead of paying for it. I dont need to say this, people should just know it and support the **** band if you wanna listen to it. Metallica didn't need the money, but other bands that just come out need that money and when they dont get it, a good band could go to waste because lack of funding. Grow up already, its not hard to support something you love.

I completely 100% agree with you.

[QUOTE=iliketoplaydrums10111]amen

can someone suggest more songs from metallica that are decent besides

master of puppets
fade to black
the one
enter sandman
the unforgivin

i know there is more, those are just the ones im familiar with:)[/QUOTE]
on of my favorite metallica songs is for whom the bell tols... i love the lin "take a look to the sky just before u die, its the last time u will"

[QUOTE=Guitarist25]Metallica old stuff is awesome but i think that some of there new songs are alright not better than the old songs.[/QUOTE]

So nice of you to contribute to the 15 year old conversation

I have nothing but respect and support for Metallica and how they dealt with the Napster incident. Only a band with their chops could've done what they did and anyone who considers it "selling out" should ponder the cost of such legal action. Perhaps "paying out" would be a more appropriate term?

People of this opinion are also missing the bigger picture here, as pointed out by Paranoidd and ^Dream~Theater^; if a giant like Metallica had not taken this action, many up-and-comers would suffer as a result - the lack of monetary support for new bands would have resulted in a major hindrance to ALL musical progression.

You may not want to hear this but the music industry is an "industry" and without this corporate, business aspect, most bands would never make it out of their own home towns.

Oh yeah, favourite member = Kirk: excellent guitarist - great speed, technique, plenty of emotion and "feel"

(That last bit is for [I]cai2k[/I] :naughty: )

[QUOTE=LifeIsDandy]Song: Fuel
Misheard Lyric: Gimme Fuel, gimme fire, gimme donuts on the fire.
Real Lyric: Gimme fuel, gimme fire, gimme that which I desire

Wow, just when I thought i've heard them all. On the other hand, Mmmm...donuts.[/QUOTE]
lol. whenever i first heard it like 6 years ago i thought it was: gimme fuel, gimme five, gimme double on the jive.

[QUOTE=motorfist]I have nothing but respect and support for Metallica and how they dealt with the Napster incident. Only a band with their chops could've done what they did and anyone who considers it "selling out" should ponder the cost of such legal action. Perhaps "paying out" would be a more appropriate term?

People of this opinion are also missing the bigger picture here, as pointed out by Paranoidd and ^Dream~Theater^; if a giant like Metallica had not taken this action, many up-and-comers would suffer as a result - the lack of monetary support for new bands would have resulted in a major hindrance to ALL musical progression.

You may not want to hear this but the music industry is an "industry" and without this corporate, business aspect, most bands would never make it out of their own home towns.

Oh yeah, favourite member = Kirk: excellent guitarist - great speed, technique, plenty of emotion and "feel"

(That last bit is for [I]cai2k[/I] :naughty: )[/QUOTE]
I like james better than kirk. He's a more creative... and can make good solos also. He also sings and plays which isn't too easy.

James was good at singing and playing, but he pales in comparison to a [B]lot[/B] of others now.

I agree James gets full marks for creativity and has a great ear for a riff, but unfortunately his voice has lost that irresistable growl of his 80s prime. Kirk's still got it all though.

Jason gets my vote in the Past-Member category, however.

I'd take James over Kirk any day. Lead players are a dime a dozen, but a solid rhythm player and singer is hard to find.

Paranoidd: [I]Lead players are a dime a dozen[/I]

Heh, if only. I've had sod-all luck finding one for my own band.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]I'd take James over Kirk any day. Lead players are a dime a dozen, but a solid rhythm player and singer is hard to find.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, Hetfeild also does most of the song writting as well.

Anybody can play scales. Sure, good lead players aren't that common, but everybody wants to be the flashy center of attention lead man.

A solid, precise rhythm player who can compose and play really good melody is hard to come by. Without a good rhythm player, a good lead doesn't matter.

So its agreed. James owns Kirk.

yea James owns but he has a very wierd regulrar voice.

he sounded like a little kid when he played live... or is it on purpose?

as for napster. who honestly gives a ****

Cliff owns all. Before he died he was probably the best bassist in the world, in my opinion he would be loads better than claypool, whom everybody says is best, if cliff had not died. Cliff could play stuff on bass that some people would struggle to play on guitar. To top it off, he was the most musically trained of the band, and he wrote several large portions of some of the songs' guitar parts, aside from his own bass part. Last, he had the coolest personallity of the group

Why does James sign his name, 'Jaymz'?

Cause he's James godamm Hetfield and he does what he wants

I'd do stupid sh1t like that too if i was hetfield

guitarcreep, do you realize that in your avatar, hetfield is playing lefty, did you flip the picture or something?

[QUOTE=Cliff 'em All]Cause he's James godamm Hetfield and he does what he wants

I'd do stupid sh1t like that too if i was hetfield[/QUOTE]

Yeah. The guys from the Dickies (no where near the calibur of Metallica, but still have the rockstar attitude) sign there names as penises. I'd sign my name with replaced letters if I could, but the closest thing I can come up with is Berandun.

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danlie
nadiel
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sh1t, i give up

[QUOTE=Cliff 'em All]Cliff owns all. Before he died he was probably the best bassist in the world, [/QUOTE]

You may want to edit that, considering he wasn't even close.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]You may want to edit that, considering he wasn't even close.[/QUOTE]


Omgz Steve Harris lolz.

*this from the Maiden fan*

Well, Cliff was quite intelligent, and was very inventive, in the way he combined classical music's technical feel with metal's aggressive attitude.

However, there are some far more technically proficient bassists, and also a few who match his ingenuity.

I'm just wondering - what sort of education did the metallica members get? Did they finish school? Did they get a university education? When did they realise that music (playing in the band) was going to be their career?

[QUOTE=Cliff 'em All]Cliff owns all. Before he died he was probably the best bassist in the world,[/QUOTE]
Ever heard of Joey DeMaio from Manowar??? guess not otherwise you wouldnt have said that...

I think the asian guy from Dream Theatre is the best bassist. Even though i'm a guitar player and dont know too much about the bass I say this because all the bass players I know say this.

Jesus, the classic jump all over the guy that likes cliff part of the thread. Cliff may not have been the BEST in the world...Okay. But who can say they are? Cliff was the ONLY person to play the way he did, and if there was someone else, they didn't have the personality, or they just wern't discovered. I don't know... Cliff was amazing for the way he played, one of the only people I've ever heard play the way he does... SO, to alot of people, he is the best. :wave:

[QUOTE=Cliff 'em All]Offhand, does anyone know what brand bass cliff used in the later years (like 85-86) I know that earlier he used a rickenbacker 4003. I'm fairly sure its an Ibanez, but not positive. Out of all people, i should know, but i dont[/QUOTE]


Cliff never played Ibanez. The bass your thinking, (black, one pickup) was a now retired Aria Pro II

lol who the hell cares if cliff was the best as far as technical skills and whatnot. That guy was so awesome lol. He was a lot of the reason behind the melodic parts of the first three (er I guess more of the second two) albums. If Cliff were still around I bet we would be seeing a lot more of that kind of stuff...that and if Bob Rock never came into the picture I think...

thanks blanka.

And paranoidd, who do you think think was the best bassist when cliff was alive?