[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396083]what are you talking about, how am I retarded?[/quote]

ill answer this question with the next sentence of your post:

[quote]Vocals play a large factor in how bands are categorized, [B]arguably the biggest factor. [/B] (depending on the band)[/quote]

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[quote=interviewer02;16396058]I disagree totally.

I think there are many bands that the [B]only[/B] reason they are or aren't considered in a genre is because of their vocals.[/quote]

lol no

Skeletonwitch is thrash, but the vocals are sort of black/death mixture.

[quote]Opeth would NEVER be considered Death metal if Mikael didn't use his harsh vocals, At the Gates ( on SOTS) is ONLY death metal because of the harsh vocals.[/quote]

Wrong on both counts. Opeth is PROGRESSIVE DEATH, which has a much different sound. Disillusion is also progressive death metal, but they don't have any growls. And At The Gates is melodic death, I have no idea how they're only death because of the vocals (which aren't that death to begin with).

[quote]Even if you look at metallica on their heaviest songs like "Fight Fire with Fire". I'm pretty sure if you exchanged James vocals for Lord Wurm from Cryptopsy, people would call that a death metal song.[/quote]

No it would be considered very extreme thrash.

[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396084]i didn't say that. i said that putting bands in genres purely because of their vocals is what a lot of people do when they haven't looked at what really makes a band in one genre

like the confusion of the difference between grindcore and death meatl[/QUOTE]


Stevie, please cite when I specifically said that I put bands into genres [I]purely[/I] because of their vocals. You can't, because I never did. I simply made a few examples of bands in which their music could probably be put in more than one genre, but the vocals are a deciding factor.

Listen to a song like "Crystal Mountain" -Death, and try telling me that if you put a different vocalist that sung with clean vocals that, that would still be a death metal song.

Honestly, I see people arguing all the time about "which band goes in which genre" obviously there is nothing set in stone. Vocals are a key part of a band's package, and you HAVE to look at the end musical product while labeling a band in a genre. Changing the vocals drastically IS changing the band's end product, and that can change how they are labeled into certain genres. Please, someone tell me.

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[QUOTE=Luc214;16396089]Anyway I finally got a link for the remastered Gallows Gallery.

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lol no

Skeletonwitch is thrash, but the vocals are sort of black/death mixture.



Wrong on both counts. Opeth is PROGRESSIVE DEATH, which has a much different sound. Disillusion is also progressive death metal, but they don't have any growls. And At The Gates is melodic death, I have no idea how they're only death because of the vocals (which aren't that death to begin with).



No it would be considered very extreme thrash.[/QUOTE]

I'm saying that a huge factor for At the Gates being death metal is the vocals. Honestly, the music is much more thrashy than death metal, and the guitarwork is very melodic and reminds me of present metalcore bands.

Oh, okay, Opeth is progressive death metal, by [I]your[/I] standards, I've heard people say Opeth isn't even a death metal band to begin with, so lets argue whether or not they're death metal.(lets not, I'm just saying we could)
I think Opeth is progressive death metal also, so I am in agreement with you there. You have to admit that a factor in that labeling is Akerfeldt's vocal approach. If he sang cleanly %100 of the time, they would lean more to being a straight progressive band, and not as much a death metal band.

[QUOTE=Eliminator;16396123]forreal, everytime we wanna get dangerous he pussies out n ****[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16396117]ur dum[/QUOTE]

Am I? Disagree as much as you want, but I'm arranging my argument into coherent sentences, and all you can say is, "ur dum"?

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396107]Stevie, please cite when I specifically said that I put bands into genres [I]purely[/I] because of their vocals. You can't, because I never did. I simply made a few examples of bands in which their music could probably be put in more than one genre, but the vocals are a deciding factor.

Listen to a song like "Crystal Mountain" -Death, and try telling me that if you put a different vocalist that sung with clean vocals that, that would still be a death metal song.

Honestly, I see people arguing all the time about "which band goes in which genre" obviously there is nothing set in stone. Vocals are a key part of a band's package, and you HAVE to look at the end musical product while labeling a band in a genre. Changing the vocals drastically IS changing the band's end product, and that can change how they are labeled into certain genres. Please, someone tell me.[/QUOTE]

Yes vocals are important in defining what a genre is, but what you're saying is that different vocals means a different genre, ie fight fire with fire is death metal with death metal vocals: hence you overly emphesise vocals as a defining factor in genres, and so you go by what a band "sounds like" rather than the way the music is constructed in deciding what band is in what genre.

It's a rather shallow way of looking at music if you look at it that way. To me saying that vocals are that important is like saying that if Darkthrone had a warm guitar sound on Transilvanian Hunger it'd be death metal.

Besides, Crystal Mountain isn't death metal anyway.

i think he meant Urdum, probably one of the most elite black metal bands of all time. their first demo is extremely rare

because your coherent sentences consister 100% of "I'm writing a really long explanation proving that I don't know anything of what I'm talking about but maybe if I beef up my post with poor examples and misconceptions people will think I'm smart due to the tl;dr factor!"

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396127]I'm saying that a huge factor for At the Gates being death metal is the vocals. Honestly, the music is much more thrashy than death metal, and the guitarwork is very melodic and reminds me of present metalcore bands.

Oh, okay, Opeth is progressive death metal, by [I]your[/I] standards, I've heard people say Opeth isn't even a death metal band to begin with, so lets argue whether or not they're death metal.(lets not, I'm just saying we could)
I think Opeth is progressive death metal also, so I am in agreement with you there. You have to admit that a factor in that labeling is Akerfeldt's vocal approach. If he sang cleanly %100 of the time, they would lean more to being a straight progressive band, and not as much a death metal band.[/QUOTE]

refer to that "at the gates on tour" thread
I called SOTS speed metal.
Those who think it is death metal are like you and go by what a band "sounds like" rather than the way it's constructed.

[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16396139]because your coherent sentences consister 100% of "I'm writing a really long explanation proving that I don't know anything of what I'm talking about but maybe if I beef up my post with poor examples and misconceptions people will think I'm smart due to the tl;dr factor!"[/QUOTE]

I don't think my examples are poor at all, I think they're fine, I could probably find better ones though. My argument is simple: Vocal approach is very important to how a band is labeled in a genre. Changing vocal approach drastically, [I]can[/I] influence where a band is placed into a genre.

theres death metal bands that dont even have vocals though wtf is that

[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396148]Changing vocal approach drastically, [I]can[/I] influence where a band is placed into a genre.[/QUOTE]

in reality:

Changing vocal approach drastically, [I]can[/I] influence where ignorant people place a band into a genre.

[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396145]refer to that "at the gates on tour" thread
I called SOTS speed metal.
Those who think it is death metal are like you and go by what a band "sounds like" rather than the way it's constructed.[/QUOTE]

I actually really don't think At the Gates on SOTS is death metal, the vocals are, but the as a whole its really not. I think the whole "melodic death metal" genre is a joke, its non-death metal music with a death metal vocalist.

I would put that album closer to speed metal than death metal also Stevie, but many people wouldn't...

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[QUOTE=Stevie IV;16396157]in reality:

Changing vocal approach drastically, [I]can[/I] influence where ignorant people place a band into a genre.[/QUOTE]

That's totally untrue. Vocals are a key part of many bands, and drastically changing the vocal approach thus drastically changes the band, thus can alter where a band is placed into certain genres.

[url]http://youtube.com/watch?v=CP-jYCES0wE[/url]

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[QUOTE=interviewer02;16396159]I actually really don't think At the Gates on SOTS is death metal, the vocals are, but the as a whole its really not. I think the whole "melodic death metal" genre is a joke, its non-death metal music with a death metal vocalist.

I would put that album closer to speed metal than death metal also Stevie, but many people wouldn't...[/QUOTE]

...

[quote]a huge factor for At the Gates being death metal is the vocals.[/quote]

Either you're contadicting yourself or you're talking about earlier at the gates or something.

And you keep using this "many people think this" as an argument. Stop with the sheepish thinking please.

Interviewer, it sounds like you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, no matter how retarded your claims are. We're all aware this thread is complete ****, but you don't have to perpetuate it with this bullshit.

yeah wtf slaughter of the soul is black metal vokillz

[quote=interviewer02;16396127]I'm saying that a huge factor for At the Gates being death metal is the vocals. Honestly, the music is much more thrashy than death metal, and the guitarwork is very melodic and reminds me of present metalcore bands.[/quote]

Death metal evolved out of thrash, early death metal was very thrashy.

[quote]Oh, okay, Opeth is progressive death metal, by [I]your[/I] standards, I've heard people say Opeth isn't even a death metal band to begin with, so lets argue whether or not they're death metal.(lets not, I'm just saying we could)
I think Opeth is progressive death metal also, so I am in agreement with you there. You have to admit that a factor in that labeling is Akerfeldt's vocal approach. If he sang cleanly %100 of the time, they would lean more to being a straight progressive band, and not as much a death metal band.[/quote]No they wouldn't because the way they write songs is much different than a band like Porcupine Tree.

From a pure musical standpoint they don't sound much alike, and Porcupine Tree is one of the heavier prog rock bands. Opeth doesn't sound ANYTHING like Spock's Beard.

i haven't listened to opeth in a while but from what i remember opeth is some prog stuff with death metal parts

Opeth: boring metal with overtones of faggotry

Chris: nothing BUT overtones of faggotry

[QUOTE=Luc214;16396211]Chris: nothing BUT overtones of faggotry[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Angmar;16396460]Paysage D'Hiver are essential if you have not heard them, also try out Lunar Aurora, not nearly as lo-fi in the production area though.[/QUOTE]

I like what I've heard by them but, the production killed it for me, and normally I don't mind bad production.

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