I'm with Danny on this one. Well, minus the tour bus. But to save for mutually beneficial equipment, or stuff like a trailer to haul our stuff in, or gas if we play away shows, etc.

Why do you need a trailer or anything like that? You should have your own transport if you're going to be a gigging musician, not have to rely on a bunch of other guys to provide your stuff.

There's nothing I can think of that I'd buy for anybody else in a band, if they need it, they should buy it, if I need it, I'll buy it.

Man, I don't know what kind of vehicles you drive, but I can't fit 3 amps, 3-6 instruments and a drum kit into 1 vehicle and still have room for people to sit in it. A trailer is for putting all of your gear in so the band can fit in the vehicle and travel more effectively. Right now, it takes us 2 cars to pack everything up. That is not gas effective when traveling places.

It's not buying stuff for a single person in the band, it's for buying stuff [I]for[/I] the band, as a whole. It's pretty selfish to think only of yourself in something that's a group effort.

I fit my rig in my car and I have room to give another person and some gear a lift, but that's something I'll do out of generosity, not because I owe it to someone.

If you only play in one band and you spend all your time together and that, maybe do things that way, but what if you play in a bunch of original projects, amongst other stuff here and there, you're not going to want to have a part-share in like four different band-vans and whatnot, that would be insanity.

Well that's your fault for spreading yourself too thin I guess. Though if I was in two bands that each had a van, I'd be happy to have a share in both. I'm with Danny on this one too. What money we earn goes firstly towards petrol, and if there's any spare, it goes to our band fund, for stuff we'd only have to put a share of our money towards ANYWAY when we bought it. Like merch and banners and stuff. $50 is worth more to a band as a lump sum than $10 each is to the 5 people in it. Forget the principle of it.

The money doesn't get spent on gear anyway. Unless it's a band PA maybe. Seeing as we'd all use that. I think that's what Ben meant by mutually beneficial gear. Not buying someone else a new amp or something. We all spend our own money on our own rigs. That is an entirely different matter to money earnt from shows and spent on petrol etc.

Also, rocking up to shows in one van is so much better than 2/3 cars. You're all together for one thing, which makes it more enjoyable. You can share the driving if more than one of you can drive, and it's also more fuel economic to run one diesel van full of stuff than 2 1.6 petrol hatchbacks.

I could understand your stance if you are a session musician, or a dep. But in my band and every band I've been in, it's about pulling together and helping each other out. Sharing, doing favours, the common cause and all that.

I've never seen the need for the band PA that people say is worth investing in.

Any venue worth playing at has its own PA, so what is it for?

I can see why it's attractive for some people as a lifestyle thing, but I'd much rather know that everyone can handle their own end of the responsibilities.

To be fair I am talking about doing a lot of different gigs rather than like, making a full time commitment to one group.

Main point I'm trying to back is that you should be able, on your own, to take care of everything you need to. Whether you combine with other people for convenience sometimes or not, you should have your own transport if you're planning on doing much gigging or rehearsing out of the house.

Of course traditionally originally bands are dreadfully poor so, that's probably the main attraction of the whole communist approach.

I don't like seeing someone mind a band fund, I'd rather people just chip in their share out of their pocket if something necessary comes up. Ideally everyone has a job so it shouldn't really be a worry.

Well the PA is an example. Personally, ours cost us £50 right when we started out. Our singer bought it as he had no other gear he needed to buy compared to the rest of us. And we might not need to gig with it, but we still rehearse with it ;)

And yeah, I have a job, and I buy my own stuff. But if something comes up where I need to put say £75 in, but I'd spent the £75 we'd made from gigging (you would, wouldn't you...), and it would wipe me out and then some to lose £75 if I only had like 30 in my bank, then that's where the fund kicks in. It's a savings account, and a bit of a cushion. It makes sure that the money we get from gigs is used widely, and not just pissed away. It's still my money that's being spent, just that we all have made a decision to put our money into that fund.

Basically I don't see the point in NOT having a band fund. It isn't communism, it's just common sense. For the most part, what ours pays for is the rent on our practice room, and petrol costs. It's not as if we're supporting one of us that can't afford things or anything, we just would have had to spend it ourselves anyway, so why not have it in an easily accessible place. And I look after and spreadsheet our fund, so I know there's no funny business with it.

Also, while we have jobs at the moment, there may well reach a point where he have to quit them in order to play enough shows in enough places etc. There are other bands in that situation. Jobs clash with bands. Unless your band sucks and you have no ambition to go anywhere with it. Or you have a job that pays you to do nothing and tour ¬_¬

But hey, whatever works for you!

Your rehearsal studios don't have their own PAs? I guess if you just rent an empty space that's when it could come in handy.

I just deal with too many different people to be comfortable letting other people juggle cash for me, I like to just mind all my own business and not have to worry that someone else is screwing me over, it's bad enough when people tell me a gig is a paying one and then it turns out to be garbage, if someone took my pay and ran with it, lord I'd start murdering :lol:.

If I had a clever fella like you minding a spreadsheet, maybe I could live with it.

If you're having dessert soon, I'm telling you, vanilla ice-cream plus agave nectar.

I have a 19.7% ABV beer that is brewed with agave nectar. It's like agave cognac. Not sure how I feel about it.

That might be a little strange that one.

I've got some really beautiful and pure tequila waiting in a bottle for me for a special occasion.

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18042741]take it to a professional and expect to pay for a professional service.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but I don't know what a "professional service" would cost, smarty pants. Hence why I'm asking.

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;18042883]If you're painting a solid color, neither finish matters - they'll both have a poly finish on them and solid finishes are very easy to apply.

Neither will be cheaper, and here in the U.S., you're looking at $300 or so. You might be able to cut down on the price if you do the prep work yourself (ie, use 220-grit sandpaper to take off the gloss and mask stuff off) and know somebody with an auto body shop. However, auto paint is still expensive, and you're looking at $100+ for the paint alone.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, sir.

lol professional service

painting is hard

and requires [I]a professional[/I]

[img]http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/movies/wallpapers/leon-the-professional-black-and-white.jpg[/img]

Well, Gentlemen, it looks as though my suspicions were confirmed - unless I have a broken Stingray pickup Ernie Ball won't sell a replacement... so that's that idea out the window for the project bass.

Anybody familiar with aftermarket Stingray P/U's? Are they worth dropping loots on, or should I be looking at a different active setup?

Why, after playing for eight years, am I still such a n00b with all my silly questions?

Oh, speaking of which. any particular epoxies recommended for neck/fret work? same said with finishes. (I'm going for something of a milk white, which I'd like to be able to see the wood through.)

Whitesquares you'd better get pics up of that Jaguar once it's all spiffed up. or better yet get a page on the go of the tear-down/re-do process. I intend to with the Jazz.

OH one more (because I like to spout on aimlessly) - everyone with those soundcloud profiles - when I try to listen up on those pimps, my computer ends up hating life and refuses to play ze sounds. Anybody know if those sites and their players don't support interbutt exploder 6? (yes, I know I'm low-tech.)

cheers to anyone who read that entire babble! :D

[QUOTE=Raayl;18043777]lol professional service

painting is hard

and requires [I]a professional[/I]

[img]http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/movies/wallpapers/leon-the-professional-black-and-white.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

where's winters when you need him?

[QUOTE=Raayl;18043777]lol professional service

painting is hard

and requires [I]a professional[/I]

[img]http://www.myfreewallpapers.net/movies/wallpapers/leon-the-professional-black-and-white.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

I figure why not? I've always wanted this guitar in a certain color, so I'd rather not risk any chance of botching it.

I probably could learn a lot about painting and stuff if I gave a hand at it myself, though.

[QUOTE=FlamingCouch;18043778]Whitesquares you'd better get pics up of that Jaguar once it's all spiffed up. or better yet get a page on the go of the tear-down/re-do process. I intend to with the Jazz.[/QUOTE]

Will do, sir. Before/after pics for sure.

Sucks about the Stingray btw. Look at it as a chance to try out some new pickups, at least! :p

[quote=FlamingCouch;18043778]Well, Gentlemen, it looks as though my suspicions were confirmed - unless I have a broken Stingray pickup Ernie Ball won't sell a replacement... so that's that idea out the window for the project bass.

Anybody familiar with aftermarket Stingray P/U's? Are they worth dropping loots on, or should I be looking at a different active setup?

Why, after playing for eight years, am I still such a n00b with all my silly questions?

Oh, speaking of which. any particular epoxies recommended for neck/fret work? same said with finishes. (I'm going for something of a milk white, which I'd like to be able to see the wood through.)

Whitesquares you'd better get pics up of that Jaguar once it's all spiffed up. or better yet get a page on the go of the tear-down/re-do process. I intend to with the Jazz.

OH one more (because I like to spout on aimlessly) - everyone with those soundcloud profiles - when I try to listen up on those pimps, my computer ends up hating life and refuses to play ze sounds. Anybody know if those sites and their players don't support interbutt exploder 6? (yes, I know I'm low-tech.)

cheers to anyone who read that entire babble! :D[/quote]

1. EBMM is the most unhelpful company in the world, just behind Rickenbacker. SD, Nordstrand, and Delano make fantastic Stingray-style pups.
2. Bar top epoxy should work just fine. Also, marine epoxy is good for fretboards. Just make sure to use thin coats and smooth with 600-grit in between each.
3. Get FireFox. It's way better than IE.

Yeah, I'll echo Delano being great pickups. Love them.

I drilled one of the holes on an enclosure about three quarters of a mm too small. I'm quite annoyed, haha.

[QUOTE=whitesquares;18043933]I figure why not? I've always wanted this guitar in a certain color, so I'd rather not risk any chance of botching it.

I probably could learn a lot about painting and stuff if I gave a hand at it myself, though.[/QUOTE]

dude im lolling at chris for suggesting a professional

lmao a professional painter

this is why the word "professional" doesnt mean anything. because every stupid mother ****er who has ever had a job is a professional. aka nobody is a professional

and painting is easy

here ill tell you what to do step by step

1) get paint

2) get brushes

3) prepare object

4) paint object

5) ???

6) profit

I didn't suggest it, I just said if he wants to get it done professionally, he'll have to pay more for it. I didn't know what method he was going to use for it.

Though I would maintain that someone who has a spray booth, airbrush, compressor etc and a bit of skill would do a better job than someone doing it themselves on the cheap for the first time.

Plus not everybody actually wants to paint their own guitar. And if you don't want to do it, you pay someone else to do it because you can't be bothered, right?

IDK, I wouldn't get a respray done by someone for lots of cash personally, but I'd say it's pretty ignorant to suggest it's a terrible idea and that you'd default to doing an equally good a job as someone who actually makes money from doing something because they're good at it.

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18044049]I didn't suggest it, I just said if he wants to get it done professionally, he'll have to pay more for it. I didn't know what method he was going to use for it.

Though I would maintain that someone who has a spray booth, airbrush, compressor etc and a bit of skill would do a better job than someone doing it themselves on the cheap for the first time.

Plus not everybody actually wants to paint their own guitar. And if you don't want to do it, you pay someone else to do it because you can't be bothered, right?

IDK, I wouldn't get a respray done by someone for lots of cash personally, but I'd say it's pretty ignorant to suggest it's a terrible idea and that you'd default to doing an equally good a job as someone who actually makes money from doing something because they're good at it.[/QUOTE]

[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_woU5s2fwbZo/SqkGSx4PgNI/AAAAAAABL4E/LS3mzHY_w6s/s400/calm-down.jpg[/img]

[quote=Raayl;18044038]dude im lolling at chris for suggesting a professional

lmao a professional painter

this is why the word "professional" doesnt mean anything. because every stupid mother ****er who has ever had a job is a professional. aka nobody is a professional

and painting is easy

here ill tell you what to do step by step

1) get paint

2) get brushes

3) prepare object

4) paint object

5) ???

6) profit[/quote]

Have you ever actually tried doing a quality paint job? It's really a lot harder than you'd think. A lot of careful prep work, and a lot of slow paint work, and a lot of attention to fine detail. The cost of quality prep materials, good paints, and buffing supplies isn't cheap. Furthermore, if the paint job is f**ked up, it will be on the painter's dime to fix it.

we need a "raayl refins a bass" thread for some lulz ^_^

[QUOTE=Raayl;18044038]and painting is easy

here ill tell you what to do step by step

1) get paint

2) get brushes

3) prepare object

4) paint object

5) ???

6) profit[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I've written that down. Can I have a phone number to contact you with some further questions?

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18044049]I didn't suggest it, I just said if he wants to get it done professionally, he'll have to pay more for it. I didn't know what method he was going to use for it.

Though I would maintain that someone who has a spray booth, airbrush, compressor etc and a bit of skill would do a better job than someone doing it themselves on the cheap for the first time.

Plus not everybody actually wants to paint their own guitar. And if you don't want to do it, you pay someone else to do it because you can't be bothered, right?

IDK, I wouldn't get a respray done by someone for lots of cash personally, but I'd say it's pretty ignorant to suggest it's a terrible idea and that you'd default to doing an equally good a job as someone who actually makes money from doing something because they're good at it.[/QUOTE]

Agreed, definitely.

Raayl, weren't you the one arguing with me that, because I haven't shown you any of my music accomplishments, I have no right to critique your music? So therefore, because I have no painting experience, I logically have no right to paint my guitar either.

Now I'm just confused. :confuse:

Regardless, I'm gonna have someone else do it.

[QUOTE=fatbandit;18044083]we need a "raayl refins a bass" thread for some lulz ^_^[/QUOTE]

we need a get raayl a new calm down bro pic for christsake.

i also support this notion.

Third.

[IMG]http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4332/firepandaclam3.jpg[/IMG]

Painting a guitar is a hard job.

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18044075]Have you ever actually tried doing a quality paint job? It's really a lot harder than you'd think. A lot of careful prep work, and a lot of slow paint work, and a lot of attention to fine detail. The cost of quality prep materials, good paints, and buffing supplies isn't cheap. Furthermore, if the paint job is f**ked up, it will be on the painter's dime to fix it.[/QUOTE]

bro

painting isnt hard

im sorry this offends you

[QUOTE=whitesquares;18044115]Raayl, weren't you the one arguing with me that, because I haven't shown you any of my music accomplishments, I have no right to critique your music? So therefore, because I have no painting experience, I logically have no right to paint my guitar either.[/QUOTE]

lol this might be the dumbest post on the internet

[QUOTE=BenJammin;18044550][IMG]http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/4332/firepandaclam3.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

nah doesnt have the same oomph the panda's eyes are too cute the panda needs to look jaded and cynical

[QUOTE=Raayl;18044610]nah doesnt have the same oomph the panda's eyes are too cute the panda needs to look jaded and cynical[/QUOTE]
it's cute though.

wait, did you say 'brush'?
wait, did someone else say painting a guitar was hard?

Yeah I did.

I would rather prep and paint a guitar than one living room wall.

i'd rather paint my weiner to look like a subway sangwich and show it to fat girls

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;18044804]i'd rather paint my weiner to look like a subway sangwich and show it to fat girls[/QUOTE]
they'd never fall for it.























Subway sandwiches are at least 6 inches.

i got that down. now how to i replicate lettuce??

howdy bass forum. anyone know a good cure for itching all over? i've taken benadryl and that didn't seem to help at all.