[QUOTE=Corkofski]ok, heres the test.

go and sing along to a song by the chilis or summat

then go choose a heavier song, lets say anything by cannibal corpse since it meets our needs.

which was easier?

point made[/QUOTE]
I Agree:thumb:

Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

It's even harder to find a person who can do both very well. Trivium happens to be one of those bands that have lucked out. And on top of that he's a decent guitarist.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

And? I see what you're saying, and I definitely agree, however writing off screaming/growling as not being a "proper" vocal technique is absolutely ludacris. It's taken me months to be able to growl halfway decently doing it the proper way.

And to be honest, Heafy's clean singing doesn't have much to be desired for. IMO his clean singing is pretty sub-par.

Yeah, I agree with that, I was just saying it with regards to people suggesting singing is easier.

I dunno... i still see it as singing because your presenting articulated language over music using vocalised tone, timing and pitch. Still ...each to his own.

Heafy is a fairly average vocalist he can only scream one pitch basically, and his clean singing is very sub-par.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. [/QUOTE]
It is really easy, easy as whispering.

i think heafy is really talented, considering he is only 19. i really think trivium are gonna become really big. as for me im a big fan already. got tickets for an upcoming tour hopefull itll be awesome!:thumb:

[QUOTE=slipknot-rock]i think heafy is really talented, considering he is only 19. i really think trivium are gonna become really big. as for me im a big fan already. got tickets for an upcoming tour hopefull itll be awesome!:thumb:[/QUOTE]
if they support Maiden through the UK at the end of this year, as well as doing Scandinavia, i'll go see them, but i don't think i'd go see them headline somewhere. i like them, but not really enough to go to a gig just for them.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Come on, lets face it screaming/growling isn't as difficult as being a good singer. I see loads of local metal bands, and theres countless people who can scream/growl very well, but a good singer is a lot harder to come by, especially who is capable of singing metal.

I know a few people, (including my brother) who find it easy to do a Chris Barnes low pitched growl, that sounds really brutal. And even if you can't, most screaming/growling styles will still sound good.
Whereas with singing, you actually have to sing the song accurately for it to sound good.[/QUOTE]

Well #1, screaming and growling take a slightly differed technique
#2, screaming correctly is something hard to figure out
#3, if Chris Barnes is your example of a good growl, no wonder you see it as being so easy
#4, Heafy sucks at screaming, sucks at singing, and is good at growling (but that's only in Capharnaum anyhow)

Speaking about growling....


I'm unsatisfied with Trivium's vocalist. He's forcing his vocals too much.

[QUOTE=Route 1]Speaking about growling....


I'm unsatisfied with Trivium's vocalist. He's forcing his vocals too much.[/QUOTE]

I agree 100%, he only really goes to his true potential in two songs:

[I]Machines[/I] and [I]Icon Of Malice[/I] by Capharnaum.

I just don't understand why they are being regarded as the new "Metallica". They seem mediochre in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Well #1, screaming and growling take a slightly differed technique
#2, screaming correctly is something hard to figure out
#3, if Chris Barnes is your example of a good growl, no wonder you see it as being so easy
#4, Heafy sucks at screaming, sucks at singing, and is good at growling (but that's only in Capharnaum anyhow)[/QUOTE]
I was using Chris Barnes as an example because someone was trying to make out Cannibal Corpse songs were difficult to sing.
And I'm just pointing out that its a lot harder to come across a great metal singer than a great growler/screamer, and I notice this especially with local bands.

Yeah it's easier to scream properly a cannibal corpse verse, than it is to sing an inflames chorus.

Anyone can scream or growl, yes. However, to be able to perform those kinds of vocals well and on a continuous basis takes more talent than it seems. the combination of emotion and technique it takes to do this without harming your voice is a talent in and of itself. As a vocalist who both sings and growls myself, I can, however, state that heafy is at best, mediocre.

Matt Heafy [I]does not[/I] scream properly. It's already ruined his voice slightly as he regrets doing the high pitched clean choruses on Asendancy because he can't do them live anymore! God knows how his voice doesn't go hoarse though.
I hope his voice doesn't blow when i see them in a couple of weeks:mad:

He's wrecked his voice so bad dude, it's unfortunate, but he was never even that good in the first place. Thats why kiddies need to understand that you can't just go out there and start screaming. Not anybody can scream, it does take skill. True anybody could scream in theory, but there's those who sound like Atilla from Mayhem, and then theres those who sound like Howard from Killswitch Engage.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]He's wrecked his voice so bad dude, it's unfortunate, but he was never even that good in the first place. Thats why kiddies need to understand that you can't just go out there and start screaming. Not anybody can scream, it does take skill. True anybody could scream in theory, but there's those who sound like Atilla from Mayhem, and then theres those who sound like Howard from Killswitch Engage.[/QUOTE]

Howard Jones is one of the best metalcore singers around.

Not really metalcore anymore.. in his old band... Blood Has Been Shed I think... yes, but KSE isn't metalcore. Jesse Leach is really good too, so is Trevor Phipps, and the dude from All That Remains.

Killswitch own.

Anyway back on Trivium! Anyone going to The Crusade tour? I'm going to the Cardiff one. Mendeed are supporting instead of bloodsimple at the first ten dates.

When is the Crusade due out?
And I'm probably not gonna go, I'm not a fan of their live show.

Apparently a lot of people aren't fans of their live shows. I've seen videos and they sound really awesome live, but the reason people don't like it apparently is because they want people to get violent or something like that. I was reading the Guitar World recently about them and it's pretty amazing how they started. Matt's only 19 which is pretty incredible considering he joined in around '99

Matt's a good musician, don't get me wrong, but he [I]loses his voice[/I] when they play live, he is not a good vocalist, he kills it for me.

I really enjoy Trivium live, while Heafy's voice isn't great, the performance is usually amazing. I've seen them twice, once in a really small venue that held about 200 people, and at Download festival in front of thousands.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Not really metalcore anymore.. in his old band... Blood Has Been Shed I think... yes, but KSE isn't metalcore. Jesse Leach is really good too, so is Trevor Phipps, and the dude from All That Remains.[/QUOTE]


ATR- Phil Labonte

Kse is metalcore

Jesse david Leach left KsE partly because he kept blowing out his voice like Heafy keeps doing. He really isn't that good (though I prefer him to Howard)

Trivium don't encourage violence at there shows. That's just a rumour. They do however encourage circle pits and mosh pits. I'm hoping for a wall of death when I go see them in two weeks.

I thought the reason people didn't like the live show was because he never [I]ever[/I] sings the chorous of pull harder on the strings of your martyr. And he way overuses the crowd singing the clean choruses. That's the only negative thing about it for me.

Not only is it only pits and stuff, but I only heard Matt say he wanted to see more movement like once, and then he said "that's more like it" and that was it. It is definetly rumor, or he has just stopped.

I dunno maybe in the very early days of Trivium when they all looked like complete idiots.

Yeah he's shorts, tshirt, shaved head, and chin height guitar were prettyyyy coooool haha...

You know, I really don't get the hype. I saw them with Bodom and Amon Amarth, and I didn't find them too interesting or stimulating. I don't know, maybe it's just me.
I see them all over the place now...Guitar World, Revolver, Spin, everywhere. I don't get what's so great about them.

Though I do have the lead singer's Maiden shirt. "Run to the Hills". :thumbs: props for that. They were also very energetic live, and that was fun to watch.

Yeah they're very energetic live. And they play the solos twice as fast as to on the CD's. They're very talented guitarists.

[QUOTE=SimonCore]Yeah they're very energetic live. And they play the solos twice as fast as to on the CD's. They're very talented guitarists.[/QUOTE]
Playing solos twice as fast isn't always a good thing...

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6JFJ3r9WnI&search=trivium[/url]

That is proof that heafy has ****ed his vocal chords.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F77LMY4Ufc&search=trivium-rain"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F77LMY4Ufc&search=trivium-rain[/URL]

This is proof!

Just watched the Dying in Your Arms video. It was the show I saw. It's pretty cool.

I love trivium heaps but i must say it did take me a few listens to get my head round the heavy vocals but once u do its great in my humble 15 year old opinion:naughty: nobody flame me ill cry lol

Can't wait only two weeks until i see them!

Has anyone heard anything about the new Trivium cd yet??

[QUOTE=BlackRoseImmortal915]Has anyone heard anything about the new Trivium cd yet??[/QUOTE]

I know a **** load about it.

Name: The Crusade
Recording: May 2006, Audio Hammer Studios
Release: September 2006 (estimated)
Label: Roadrunner Records
Producers: Matt Heafy, Jason Suecof

Interesting info:
-A 7 String Guitar will be used for some tracks
-Paul Romano has been booked for all new artwork.
-Triviumworld will be documenting part of the production


Known Tracks (**=confirmed name)

1. Ignition**
2. Detonation**
?. Anthem (We are the fire) - 80s type anthem song**
?. This world can't tear us apart
?. In Sadness We'll See Her**
?. Entrance of the Conflaguration**
?. The Crusade
?. Synthetic
?. Becoming the dragon


Theres an 8 minute instrumental which will be cool.

also matt is going to stop most of the screaming, he's singing a lot more like the heavy vocals from declaration or departure. very ...and justice for all style of heavy singing.

and you guys are right, the screaming has ****ed his vocal chords.