[QUOTE=Merkaba;13512457]Shinedown....Brent I think he is "baritenor"...or "heldentenor" He has a deeper baritone type of feel but doesnt loose alot at his upper true range. I'm a fan of the group and I've listened and sang along quite a few times. Regardless, remember that if youre trying to sing someone elses style before you know your own limits you are doing yourself a great injustice. So try to sing the song in an operatic voice first with no rasp or screaming, and at a mid volume and see how you can do. I think nickelback and hinder are "safer" to mimic than shinedown.

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Most of the songs i want to sing with rasp, i've already tried with no rasp.:chug:

[QUOTE=Xero09;13522359]Hey guys, I have quick question. When singing with a mic, how loud is too loud? Assuming I'm locked inside a bedroom (about 14x12 ft and without a mic) with a bed, how loud should I be singing? Right now, I'm sick, so I don't push my voice a lot but when I do sing, I usually tend to fill the room with my voice.[/QUOTE]

You should be able to sing at different volume levels, when you get a mic, try out what sounds good to you.

would you guys recomend Vocal Release with Eric Frey
Heres a link:
[url]http://www.vocalrelease.com/[/url]

Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [/QUOTE]

which one, there are several notes in there.

I hear an G and an A, maybe an f#.

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?[/QUOTE]

Cove is a tenor I'm sure. He's not far behing Anthony Greene. Both are pretty blessed. If youre a baritone then good luck. People need to understand this and i hope more people in the future will try to state whether or not they are baritone or bass or tenor or whatever they might think they are.

Actually this part is not all THAT high and I'm pretty sure its not falsetto, especially for him. If you can't hit it without using falsetto youre probably in the baritone area. Voice mechanisms can be stretched and challenged but its gonna be hard to maintain singing out of your born range. Age also plays a factor. If youre generally under 17 you might have some more changing to undergo.

Can you post a sample?

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Actually after listening to that clip again...he might be right at his lower falsetto area.

[QUOTE=Xero09;13534890]Another question. What note would this be: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9sWdpVJxoU[/url]

How would I hit those notes (I'm assuming it's falsetto) with his strength? And is there an exercise I can do to hit them better?[/QUOTE]

Cove is a tenor I'm sure. He's not far behind Anthony Greene. Both are pretty blessed. If youre a baritone then good luck. People need to understand this and i hope more people in the future will try to state whether or not they are baritone or bass or tenor or whatever they might think they are.

Actually this part is not all THAT high and I'm pretty sure its not falsetto, especially for him. If you can't hit it youre probably in the baritone area. Voice mechanisms can be stretched and challenged but its gonna be hard to maintain singing out of your born range. Age also plays a factor. If youre generally under 17 you might have some more changing to undergo.

Can you post a sample?

mkay, i know i've made about 3 billion of the same posts, but i'd just really like to know what i'm doing wrong, and what exercises or whatever i can do??? i promise this is the last time i'll ask. and just to make your ears bleed, here's a link:

myspace.com/faultytheband

I'll post a clip as soon as I can (I need a mic). However, how do I know whether I'm a baritone/tenor/etc?

I was looking to give singing a try, and lessons aren't really an option right now, because I can't afford them. What are some good books/DVD's to start with?

I've just been playing around with it, trying to match my voice to scales on guitar. I'm just looking to be able to stay on key, that's really all that concerns me now.

[QUOTE=Freebyrd;13525517]I don't know anything about singing, but people say my singer needs to get better and I don't know what to tell him. I think he's got potential, but he hasn't had lessons or anything.

So here's our band website [url]http://www.myspace.com/theindustrync[/url]

What do you guys think he could do to help his singing? The song we like the most is Decline Of Western Civilization so tips for that song would be appreciated. And please don't say lessons... I understand how much lessons can help, but that's not really an option.[/QUOTE]

Anyone care to help? Isn't this the right place?

You could start with my book, [I]Singing Secrets[/I]: [url]http://voicestudio.kristinaseleshanko.com/SingingSecrets.htm[/url]

But honestly, you'll do best and improve the fastest if you find a teacher you can see in person. You might be suprised how inexpensive lessons can be.

Good luck!
Kristina

I offer online lessons. Basically, you send me mp3's of you singing songs/exercises, and I will send back exercises you'll need to work on with demonstrations on how to do them, along with any help you need via email. This is a step up from a book/CD/DVD because you'll actually have me listening back and giving you exercises meant to fix YOUR personal problems. However, it's a step down from private lessons, because then its all in real time obviously, plus you have the advantage of someone being able to see and hear you in person. If you are interested let me know.

Get a book like Seth Rigg's SINGING FOR THE STARS or Raise Your Voice by Jaime Vendera for exercises. Mark Baxter's book THE ROCK N ROLL SINGERS SURVIVAL MANUAL is extremely detailed and has pleanty of exercises as well, just not a CD to accompany it. For a one time thing, i'd suggest getting Brett Mannings SINGING SUCCESS program. Its $200 but it has 12 CDs, a DVD, and short workbook so it could take the place of lessons, although again without someone actually helping you out it wont be as good.

[QUOTE=King_Of_Terrors;13477034]...I don't know Perhaps Crickets. I can't even get close to the same sound using my gut as i do when i did it with my throat... I can't get the distortion. It just sounds ****ing retarded, it sounds like i'm talking when i'm really pissed off......................................It just agrivates me, i can't figure it out!!!!!!

Give me a link to merkabas lesson, i can't find any good ones.[/QUOTE]

The major issue is probably that you're trying to do stereotypical black metal vocals, which are really throaty and improper.

You can't really quite tackle that sound without using your throat.

I know it'll be frowned on, but here:

squeeze "eeee" sounds from a partially constricted throat, at speaking volume, lightly bighting your tongue.

I just have to add that NO CD, DVD, book, or online/phone lessons can take the place of a real live teacher.

Kristina

Thats true obviously but they do help quite a bit as long as you are careful enough to do them exactly as instructed. Private lessons just aren't an option for everyone and thats why these things are made available. If you cant afford actual lessons, you can usually live off a book/cd/online lesson/ whatever until you CAN actually afford to go to a teacher on a regular basis. I think the most common reason too is that unless you live in a decent size city, you probably are going to be lucky to find any vocal trainers, and even if you do they seem to almost always be classical who look down on any other style or better yet a member of a church choir who has you only singing songs and doesn't really know any technique.

That sounds pretty cool, the online lesson thing, what's that like? Talk to me on AIM "dancingbanana9" or email me "randomthought9@hotmail.com", I'd like to hear more about that.

Yeah, I know that lessons are better, trust me. I've done the self taught thing with guitar and taken lessons, and I got A LOT better, A LOT faster when I took lessons, emphasis on a lot, lol. I'd love to take lessons again, but I'm your typical broke college student, I'm unemployed, and guitar is my first instrument, so I wouldn't be able to afford guitar and vocal lessons.

Nevermind I'm not gonna buy something off the internet from here after that Osiris scam in the D&P...

So I'm 14. And I've noticed my voice changing a little bit, and I figure it's gonna do it's whole puberty thing any time now. I'm extremely serious about music and I don't want to lose any range while my voice changes. If anything, I'd like to be able to sing higher. I'd like to be capable to hit pitches such as some of the songs by Chiodos or Saosin. I've already seen a noticeable difference in how high I can sing, and I'm really not liking it.

Any tips on what I can do to keep from losing range, and possibly tips to gain range, would be greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=braadley;13583290]So I'm 14. And I've noticed my voice changing a little bit, and I figure it's gonna do it's whole puberty thing any time now. I'm extremely serious about music and I don't want to lose any range while my voice changes. If anything, I'd like to be able to sing higher. I'd like to be capable to hit pitches such as some of the songs by Chiodos or Saosin. I've already seen a noticeable difference in how high I can sing, and I'm really not liking it.

Any tips on what I can do to keep from losing range, and possibly tips to gain range, would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

Get a good lawyer and sue the pants of this "mother nature" character.

Theres nothing you can do. Your hormones run you. Your voice will, more than likely deepen to some extent as your cords grow and thicken and your larynx gets a little bigger. All you can do is learn proper singing technique so that you can keep everything flexible and know what voice position,register, etc. you need to shoot for with going for a certain note. After a while it will be second nature. But at first it will take just general practice. Also practice singing each vowel around your breaks, or the areas where your regsiters connect. right before falsetto going up, then right before falseto comin down, for example...same thing with head and chest voice....in other words high to mid to low. If youre not familiar with chest voice and head then research it here [url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
or wherever you like.

Its priceless to know. You want to remember not to try to overdo it and that, as you know, youre not going to be able to hit the same notes especially the area where your voice transitions into the next higher or lower register. Its like getting older and taller. More than likely youre gonna come out some degree lower.

Screaming Demon Auz, is there anyway to contact you? I can't really find out how to send PM's on these forums.. ;P

[QUOTE=Merkaba;13512419]Its gonna go up a bit. Worry about the sound first. Try posting a sample. What type of note are you talking about here. the more you try to go outside of your natural range the harder it will be.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the reply. Here's a sample.

[url]http://www.home.no/goanime/Sample.mp3[/url] (I try to sing Skywards by Elvenking)

It doesn't sound all that great I know and the thing is, this is kinda as high as I get.. In the end where I sing "deep in my heart" I think you can hear how it's not stable etc..

Any and all tips are appreciated. I love to sing so much but I'm starting to think my voice ain't suited for it unless I somehow manage to improve each and every thing about it..

You can email me at [email]firehouse108@hotmail.com[/email] Just make sure the subject makes it obvious its about the online lessons.

Braadley, Markaba is right. Nobody can be a tenor if their genes designate they be a bass. In fact, there is a school of thought among reputable voice teachers that young men whose voices are changing should even sing. I can't say that I agree with this, but I do think it's a time to be extra careful about not straining the voice. That means singing notes that are comfortable, and not trying to force the voice higher or lower or louder than it wants to go. Instead of worrying about your high notes, try to focus on developing really great singing technique. I know it must be hard to hear your voice changing and not have any control over it, but every man has gone through it! Hang in there :)

Kristina
[url]http://voicestudio.kristinaseleshanko.com[/url]

So, im pretty knew to screaming and all, but i'd like to learn to do a high-pitched scream, like Orchid.

[url]http://www.myspace.com/chaosisorchid[/url]
"Aesthetic Dialectic"



yeah, id just like some help. thanks.

[QUOTE=braadley;13583290]So I'm 14. And I've noticed my voice changing a little bit, and I figure it's gonna do it's whole puberty thing any time now. I'm extremely serious about music and I don't want to lose any range while my voice changes. If anything, I'd like to be able to sing higher. I'd like to be capable to hit pitches such as some of the songs by Chiodos or Saosin. I've already seen a noticeable difference in how high I can sing, and I'm really not liking it.

Any tips on what I can do to keep from losing range, and possibly tips to gain range, would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]

chiodos and saosin is way up there and you'd need to be a tenor to do them with consistency. I take it youre talking about the current saosin. I say Anthony Greene is a male alto or close. Very unique to posess such a vocal setup once you've gotten past puberty. I would say Cove is more of a typical tenor. So hope for the best.

Is it normal for notes to become really thin and whiny sounding when I get near the top of my range? Are there any ways to avoid this?

Just warm up a lot and then practice at the top of your range a lot I'd say.

Toaster, you might be straining on those top notes. Try to concentrate on using your diaphragm while keeping your throat, jaw, and face relaxed. Drop your jaw, too! :)

Kristina
[url]http://voicestudio.kristinaseleshanko.com[/url]

I think Toaster understands the whole gut usage thing.