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Broken Arrow 07-26-2005 07:39 PM

[QUOTE=IAJP]I just got the Complete Robert Johnson Recordings.

29 Songs, 1 Hour, 16 Minutes and 23 Seconds.
What an amazing acomplishment for someone so young to have done. And nearly every song off the album is brilliant, I'm absolutely hot on it already.
:).[/QUOTE]
I have that on my computer.

magicbus 07-26-2005 08:14 PM

[QUOTE=Livewired]I have that on my computer.[/QUOTE]

So do I. I really like how the production sounds.

PinkFreud 07-26-2005 10:55 PM

im more of an electric blues type. i know its wrong, but i cant seem to get into johnson and the other acoustic pioneers.

DemBonez 07-27-2005 02:39 PM

Out of the three pre-war Johnsons (Tommy, Robert, Lonnie), I find the least mythical, Lonnie, to be the best. There was a reason Robert idolized him (to the point he'd introduce himself as his brother), because he was **** good. Kind of a shame that he gets so over looked, yet paved a way for both Blues and Jazz guitar to follow.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]im more of an electric blues type. i know its wrong, but i cant seem to get into johnson and the other acoustic pioneers.[/QUOTE]

Why is that wrong?

PinkFreud 07-27-2005 05:41 PM

because its like, i dont know. ignoring the roots of what i like. but i guess i cant help it. its all preference.

Woodstock 07-27-2005 06:20 PM

I recently learned how to 12-bar blues on my guitar. I'm happy.

Broken Arrow 07-27-2005 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=Woodstock]I recently learned how to 12-bar blues on my guitar. I'm happy.[/QUOTE]
Um.

Uh.

Sweet?

puppetshots 07-27-2005 10:50 PM

[QUOTE=EightMilesHigh]Jimi Hendrix, in my opinion, was one of the first guys to really play the blues LOUD.[/QUOTE]

wow

Woodstock 07-28-2005 08:57 AM

[QUOTE=Livewired]Um.

Uh.

Sweet?[/QUOTE]
It was a disguised bump.

Ned 07-29-2005 12:10 AM

I agree that Stevie Ray Vaughan was, and continues to be, vastly over-rated. And way too many people are currently unfairly down on Clapton. His "Cradle to the Grave" was absolutely brilliant, and his Robert Johnson record is very good in a completely different way.

Very few guitarists can play with as much personality as B. B. King does even in his old age.

Anybody bump into the bit about Robert Johnson in Dylan's "Chronicles"? I was surprised, but it makes sense. The influence of Johnson on Dylan is actually very obviously apparent.

PinkFreud 07-29-2005 01:05 AM

i believe you mean clapton's album, "from the cradle." cradle 2 the grave was a terrible movie with dmx and jet li.

Ned 07-29-2005 01:13 AM

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]i believe you mean clapton's album, "from the cradle." cradle 2 the grave was a terrible movie with dmx and jet li.[/QUOTE]

I must mean "From the Cradle". There IS a bit of doggerel in the booklet that also mentions "the grave", though, your honor.

Broken Arrow 07-29-2005 08:17 AM

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]i believe you mean clapton's album, "from the cradle." cradle 2 the grave was a terrible movie with dmx and jet li.[/QUOTE]
I was thinning the same thing. My parents have that, it's fairly good.


Woodstock: :lol:

Interstate 07-29-2005 08:30 AM

[QUOTE=IAJP]I just got the Complete Robert Johnson Recordings.

29 Songs, 1 Hour, 16 Minutes and 23 Seconds.
What an amazing acomplishment for someone so young to have done. And nearly every song off the album is brilliant, I love it already.
:).[/QUOTE]

I agree, it's an amazing accomplisment. That's one of my favourite blues records.

DemBonez 07-29-2005 08:41 AM

[QUOTE=Ned]I agree that Stevie Ray Vaughan was, and continues to be, vastly over-rated. And way too many people are currently unfairly down on Clapton. His "Cradle to the Grave" was absolutely brilliant, and his Robert Johnson record is very good in a completely different way.[/QUOTE]

Clapton's solo career has just been boring. I just don't find him all that interesting as a rock guitarist, and in recent times his blues playing has been a little flat. [I]From The Cradle[/I] is definately great, but since then the best thing he has done is [I]Riding with the King[/I]. I just compare him to his work with Mayall, Cream, and the Yardbirds and feel he has changed for the worse.

Freddie King deserves more respect. He was doing all the things Beck, Clapton, Allison, Lonnie, and Mick Taylor were doing years before. But I guess that's what happens to a black guitarist named "King" while two guys named B.B. and Albert were in peak form.

PinkFreud 07-29-2005 10:33 AM

psh. i cant believe you didnt mention derek & the dominos. that was definitely his best blues playing. live at the fillmore is probably the best ive ever heard from him.

robo2448 07-29-2005 05:02 PM

Wierd thing I've noticed about Clapton's solo career. First of all, I'd like to fight the popular opinion that it was all crap. Sure, I Shot the Sheriff is complete crap, but the whole Slowhand album is brilliant IMO. Also, he really concentrating on going back to his roots in his solo career. You need to kind of appreciate his diversity to enjoy his solo career. From the Cradle, Riding With the King, and Me and Mr. Johnson are all good blues albums. There was definitely some crap in the 80's especially, but there is some good stuff. Also, I think his live show and guitar playing have actually gotten better. If you see him live now, you'll see what I mean, he kind of explores into many other genres of music which is cool. Right now, he's at a state where his guitar playing is refined but he can still improvise. Of course nothing in his solo career compares with Cream, Blind Faith, or Derek and the Dominoes.

/just realized this post makes no sense, but will post it anyway.

superjoe 07-29-2005 05:08 PM

[QUOTE=magicbus]Here goes nothing...

I've heard people talking about wanting an entire blues forum added, but I don't think we'd have enough people interested. So I decided to make a blues thread. If you love blues, blues rock, or anything else pertaining to blues, we can talk about it here.

Enjoy :thumb:


To get it started, last night I had the chance to see Buddy Guy perform. Not only is he one of my favorite blues musicians, but he's also a large influence on my guitar playing. It was a great show, and he can still jam like nobody's business. Any other Buddy Guy fans?[/QUOTE]
JEALOUS

superjoe 07-29-2005 05:20 PM

Howlin Wolf is great too...I might upload a few songs later tonight. The forums really need a blues forum.

robo2448 07-29-2005 05:35 PM

[QUOTE=superjoe]Howlin Wolf is great too...I might upload a few songs later tonight. The forums really need a blues forum.[/QUOTE]

Howlin' Wolf is great. I need one of their albums.

superjoe 07-29-2005 09:42 PM

[url]http://s58.yousendit.com/d.php?id=1CVSIDHB2N0G01Q4UJH8UKNLWC[/url]

sitting on top of the world - howlin wolf

Ned 07-29-2005 11:28 PM

[QUOTE=DemBonez]Clapton's solo career has just been boring. I just don't find him all that interesting as a rock guitarist, and in recent times his blues playing has been a little flat. [I]From The Cradle[/I] is definately great, but since then the best thing he has done is [I]Riding with the King[/I]. I just compare him to his work with Mayall, Cream, and the Yardbirds and feel he has changed for the worse. [/QUOTE]

Actually, since this is the blues thread, after all, I was referring to Clapton the blues guitarist (and blues singer), not Clapton the pop singer. If we're going to throw all the Clapton's together, however, I'd say that he's had his ups and downs as an artist, but that overall he's continued to expand outwardly and inwardly, getting more mature, more technically accomplished, deeper, and more soulful. (Unlike, say, Dylan, and Joni Mitchell, and Robert Johnson, to my knowledge Clapton has never released a solo album. He's recorded and performed as a sideman, as a group member, and as a leader.)

My only significant beef about Clapton is with his penchant (or his producer's penchant) for using drum machines on his pop records. That needs to stop immediately.

I think "I Shot the Sheriff" has been unfairly maligned for decades simply because Clapton declined to play a guitar solo on it. The song actually did music a great service by introducing Bob Marley and reggae to a much wider audience.

[QUOTE=DemBonez] Freddie King deserves more respect. He was doing all the things Beck, Clapton, Allison, Lonnie, and Mick Taylor were doing years before. But I guess that's what happens to a black guitarist named "King" while two guys named B.B. and Albert were in peak form.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's one King too many. I actually once saw Albert King, B. B. King, and Bobby Blue Bland at the same concert. Freddie didn't show.

Ned 07-29-2005 11:39 PM

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]psh. i cant believe you didnt mention derek & the dominos. that was definitely his best blues playing. live at the fillmore is probably the best ive ever heard from him.[/QUOTE]

"Layla and Other Love Songs", and I think I have the title right this time, does have some great blues playing on it ("Have You Ever Loved a Woman", for example), but overall it's a pop album, not a blues album, a very poppy, catchy pop album--also a very good pop album (and a soulful one).

PinkFreud 07-29-2005 11:47 PM

[QUOTE=Ned]"Layla and Other Love Songs", and I think I have the title right this time, does have some great blues playing on it ("Have You Ever Loved a Woman", for example), but overall it's a pop album, not a blues album, a very poppy, catchy pop album--also a very good pop album (and a soulful one).[/QUOTE]
you really need to listen to their live at the fillmore album then. the bluesiest, clapton playing with the most fire ive ever heard him with.

and drum machines? im fairly sure steve gadd has been playinig on his albums for quite a while.

Ned 07-29-2005 11:52 PM

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]you really need to listen to their live at the fillmore album then. the bluesiest, clapton playing with the most fire ive ever heard him with.

and drum machines? im fairly sure steve gadd has been playinig on his albums for quite a while.[/QUOTE]

Okay, I will check out the Fillmore album then, thanks. Steve Gadd has been playing with Clapton a lot, and so, I'm very sorry to report, have drum machines (none on the Robert Johnson record, of course).

DemBonez 07-30-2005 01:03 PM

[QUOTE=Ned]Actually, since this is the blues thread, after all, I was referring to Clapton the blues guitarist (and blues singer), not Clapton the pop singer. If we're going to throw all the Clapton's together, however, I'd say that he's had his ups and downs as an artist, but that overall he's continued to expand outwardly and inwardly, getting more mature, more technically accomplished, deeper, and more soulful. (Unlike, say, Dylan, and Joni Mitchell, and Robert Johnson, to my knowledge Clapton has never released a solo album. He's recorded and performed as a sideman, as a group member, and as a leader.) [/QUOTE]

If you are refering to just the last ten years ([I]From The Cradle[/I] on), he's been mediocre at best. [I]From The Cradle[/I] was good, but everything after that can be passed over. [I]Me and Mr. Johnson[/I] seems to be his most thought out since then, but still had its problems. For example, "Hell Hound On My Trail" completely loses the original feeling of the song. And while it does that, he doesn't change it enough to justify it (like he does with "They're Red Hot"). He should also be ashamed with how it was produced.

[QUOTE=Ned]I think "I Shot the Sheriff" has been unfairly maligned for decades simply because Clapton declined to play a guitar solo on it. The song actually did music a great service by introducing Bob Marley and reggae to a much wider audience.[/QUOTE]

He did the same thing with Robert Johnson. Before Clapton, Johnson was relatively unheard of. I figure thats why Lonnie is so overlooked.

Ned 07-31-2005 12:30 AM

[QUOTE=DemBonez]If you are refering to just the last ten years ([I]From The Cradle[/I] on), he's been mediocre at best. [I]From The Cradle[/I] was good, but everything after that can be passed over. [I]Me and Mr. Johnson[/I] seems to be his most thought out since then, but still had its problems. For example, "Hell Hound On My Trail" completely loses the original feeling of the song. And while it does that, he doesn't change it enough to justify it (like he does with "They're Red Hot"). He should also be ashamed with how it was produced.
[/QUOTE]

Obviously, you're one of those I complained about being currently down on Clapton.

I am referring to Clapton's entire career. The last decade, like all the others, has had its ups and downs. I think "From the Cradle", "One More Car, One More Rider", and "Me and Mr. Johnson" are all great. The B. B. King collaboration (B. B. 's best selling record ever) was a little disappointing. Clapton's singing in particular has improved immensely.

I don't worship Cream, by the way. Each Cream record had some good stuff, but each Cream record was also inconsistent and overall very flawed. I don't worship Stevie Winwood either. He could sing soulfully, but, boy, did he go out of tune on those high notes (he just avoided them, I think, in his eighties pop career), and he was certainly never much on piano or organ. Neither do I worship Delaney and Bonnie, John Mayall, or the Yardbirds.

Ned 07-31-2005 04:16 AM

I'm just back from amazon.com. PinkFreud: Just to be sure before I buy: Are you saying that "Derek and the Dominoes Live at the Fillmore" is better than "Derek and the Dominoes In Concert"?

Ned 07-31-2005 04:32 AM

One more Clapton question before I call it a day: Clapton once recorded an instrumental duet with King Curtis called "Teasin'". Where can I get a copy of this tune?

DemBonez 07-31-2005 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=Ned]One more Clapton question before I call it a day: Clapton once recorded an instrumental duet with King Curtis called "Teasin'". Where can I get a copy of this tune?[/QUOTE]

I believe it's only on LP right now (either the Teasin' single or the [I]History of Eric Clapton[/I] two LP compilation). [url=http://www.musicaobscura.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/departments/page_number/6/startprod/61/endprod/72/Department_id/50/detail_id/3305.htm]Here is an online store, but I'm not sure how trustworthy it is[/url]. Excellent track.

PinkFreud 07-31-2005 09:58 AM

[QUOTE=Ned]I'm just back from amazon.com. PinkFreud: Just to be sure before I buy: Are you saying that "Derek and the Dominoes Live at the Fillmore" is better than "Derek and the Dominoes In Concert"?[/QUOTE]
live at the fillmore is "in concert," but with added material. its like a more recent version. i would suggest that one by far.

Ned 08-03-2005 06:54 PM

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]live at the fillmore is "in concert," but with added material. its like a more recent version. i would suggest that one by far.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, PinkFreud, and thanks for the recommendation. No Fillmore at the local record stores. I'll order it over the Internet soon.

Ned 08-03-2005 06:55 PM

[QUOTE=DemBonez]I believe it's only on LP right now (either the Teasin' single or the [I]History of Eric Clapton[/I] two LP compilation). [url=http://www.musicaobscura.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/departments/page_number/6/startprod/61/endprod/72/Department_id/50/detail_id/3305.htm]Here is an online store, but I'm not sure how trustworthy it is[/url]. Excellent track.[/QUOTE]

I may have to resort to drastic measures. Thanks for checking, DemBonez.

The Mercenary highvoltage 08-04-2005 03:36 AM

Ac/Dc has some blues rock songs.. i think those are the only blues I like. I can play blues on my guitar but don't really like it. I learned to help me playing on guitar...

But some blues songs are nice.

PinkFreud 08-04-2005 10:55 AM

[QUOTE=The Mercenary highvoltage]Ac/Dc has some blues rock songs.. i think those are the only blues I like. I can play blues on my guitar but don't really like it. I learned to help me playing on guitar...

But some blues songs are nice.[/QUOTE]
.....ac/dc is NOT blues rock. never.

cortez the killer 08-04-2005 09:22 PM

bb king
 
i like bb king, and i might get to see him live in a few weeks here. does he stil play as good as he used to?

ok lateralus 08-04-2005 09:42 PM

[QUOTE=cortez the killer]i like bb king, and i might get to see him live in a few weeks here. does he stil play as good as he used to?[/QUOTE]
he plays better than ever

Walrus Gumboot 08-04-2005 09:44 PM

[QUOTE=cortez the killer]i like bb king, and i might get to see him live in a few weeks here. does he stil play as good as he used to?[/QUOTE]


Your username is the kind of username that I wish I thought of first :)

I love the blues, and someday I hope to be an acomplished blues harmonica player

/dreams

ggd02ms 08-05-2005 01:22 AM

Where do you lot stand on slide guitarists?

I've heard a few but never been that bothered, but then last night there was a bloke in the pub playing slide really well.

Any recommendations?

Cheers

cortez the killer 08-05-2005 11:03 AM

[QUOTE=Walrus Gumboot]Your username is the kind of username that I wish I thought of first :)

I love the blues, and someday I hope to be an acomplished blues harmonica player

/dreams[/QUOTE]
ha thanks, i like the sound of harmonica in blues music, but i am having trouble learning to play like that, but maybe one day. for now i stick to blues guitar :)


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