[QUOTE=bitterpill]Err.. paste in this ur browsers url box [url]www.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3[/url] i didn't know posting geocities url wouldn't work. lol. sorry about that..[/QUOTE]

hmm it sounds like your closing your throat off too much for the scream....it sounds sort of like one of merkaba's scream when he doesnt use any push

[QUOTE=bitterpill]hey merkaba! your post got me diggin for my mxtabs password but dang didnt find it so registered a new one lol. but anyway recently i recorded a screamo song.. im used to writing acoustic sappy love songs n i thought of giving screamo a try.. i usually have rather squeaky talking and singing voice that most ppl i know always refer me to cartoon characters. grrrrrrrrr. lol. so this sample may sound a lil funny.. but i just wanted to know if i was doin it right n or wrong, if i should forget abt trying to scream at all or whatnot. ;p

thanks in advance!

the file: [url]http://us.share.geocities.com/bigfatdoink/rough_cut.mp3[/url][/QUOTE]
You seem to not be supporting with your diaphragm like you need to, and when you get aggressive its easier to hear. Try to sing the notes and screams. This is how you should feel them. YOu have to get the tone first...hopefully a supported tone. Youre trying to rasp so much youre forgetting about the notes. You would sound very nice if you learned. Females are so higher in pitch that a rasp is that much more sicker sounding. Lots of threads around here dealing with breath support. Practice singing and holding notes. You will only be able to hold a note long if you breathe properly. Try trial and error and the process of elimination if you need to. You should be able to hold a note for at least fifteen seconds without it crackling or running out of air, or squeezing your throat.

Would it be possible for me to be able to do a falsetto scream, since I'm a bass/baritone. (I don't actually sing, but that's wat my dad told me (who does sing) that I would be).
Also, I can sort of scream but it's really high-pitched(it's weird). My voice can only go so high, and then it skips this big gap, and then it goes ridiculously high. How would I bring this down? Or bring my normal voice up?
Also,do i have to be a good singer before i can get screaming, cause I'm a pretty lousy singer...

Well I would suggest you do some glisses up and down. Some people just cant use the head voice, between lower "chest" and the really high falsetto stuff. But i cant really tell ya cause I dont really know what youre doing. As I often say, alot of falsetto screams are really falsetto, but are head notes just rasped to death. Check out my voicehelp hotline.

Hello all, and Merkaba, I just want to say your awesome dude, your voice, and that fact that you’re taking your time with help us :)

I am currently in a band, Seiryu, and although our songs have some soft parts (which my voice fits a bit better) we also have some pretty hard parts, and they really want me to learn how to "rasp" my voice, and also scream, as do I.

I really want to make this band sound as good as possible, and although were new, I think some of our songs have some promise, and I feel that it is my vocals that are bringing them down.

One of my favourite singers (I have lots) but a favourite local singer is Dallas Green, he has a fascinating voice, he can make it very soft, but he also has the rasp. The reason I bring this up is because people have been saying that I do sound like him a bit... but I want to be able to have the ability to go from soft, to raspy, to a scream, without hurting my vocal chords.

(I am sure you have heard this before) but I am really not interested in vocal lessons, I have had lessons before, and they never did anything for me, I always end up learning thins on my own.

I have read through this whole thread, and it has helped me a lot, but I was wondering if there was any chance you could help me with my vocals, like maybe tell me what I could fix etc. Along with any pointers from all you other guys and girls out there :)

You can find our songs at [url]www.MySpace.com/SeiryuRock[/url] (copy link into the browser if your having trouble with it) and although we have Poison as our only song with vocals up on the site, we also have Waking Up the Storm, but were still in the process of writing the lyrics.

Also, that recording of poison was very soft, and very crappy (that’s not an excuse) but I don't sing it that soft usually, but you do get an idea.

Thanks in advance for the help :)

*bump

dude I've seen that post at least three times. Stuff like that is the reason why I wanted an official voice thread. People will see it in due time and respond.... quit posting the same thing ....please

Sorry about that Merk, didn't mean to get you upset, I didn't know which one to post in so I posted in the 2.

Again, sorry that I got you upset.

Well jay...if thats not how you usually sing....whats the use of me critiquing? It sounded...well...soft...you think its already crappy, so what am i supposed to tell you. You've got good tone. Most people do. When they start trying harder they start pulling everything harder when they really need to be relaxing harder. Youre going to have to sing harder to get a control on singing raspy. They go hand in hand. Most people that can sing raspy can sing softer...thats not a big deal and should come automatic. But if you dont have time to practice new approaches, say...outside of the judgement of your band, then I suggest you start to sing a tad harder over time and add more and more...when it is applicable of course...not all the time. The key is to relax your throat when you go for that stuff. I take it you've read my section on isolation...?? YOu need to if you havent. You should be doing glisses up and down and trying to understand that your cords are moving horizontally and not up and down as you go up and down in pitch. But the sensation of where the notes resonate...i.e. headvoice, makes it feel like you have to rise your throat up because the notes is actually moving up into your head, the frequencies resonate there more, but there should be any thing moving up much..and you should be only relaxing more so that your cords can pull across more. If youre all stiff or cant keep your throat open, then your cords can pull further.
I would say make sure youre relaxing, you dont feel much restriction from the cords when youre working them. Most of what you feel is the tension of the neck and throat muscles. And make sure you keep your jaw relaxed and let it drop down a bit, and maybe do a half smile. Practice singing normally in your speaking pitch. If you were just to make a note right now. Practice singing all vowels in that pitch...then move up one note at a time while keeping that same relaxed feel. It will help you find your cords. The higher you go, the harder it is to stay in that relaxed position.

Maybe post a sample of your normal singing of course.

Hey thanks Merk, I did read your isolation section, but I should read it again, and take down notes, because your audio really helped me when it came to screaming.

As for adding rasp, I am still struggling with that, but I am trying everyday, and I can usally get rasp in my voice, but only when I go higher then usually pitch, I am thinking maybe its me crackling or something.

You want an audio of my normal singing voice.... hmm, I will see what I can do (when I was singing that song, I wasn't trying to add anything to it, so maybe thats my normal singing voice)

And yeah, when I do go harder, I am sure I strain instead of relaxing, thats probably going to take awhile for me to get, but I will definatly try my hardest.

Again Merk, thanks, I have learned a lot from you over this past week, then I have in a year with just myself as a teacher, thanks :)

hey, i need some help with singing raspily.
i can sing decently, i suppose, but never get any rasp, and was wondering if you could put an example of you singing with rasp on the soundclick. My favorite raspy voice is greg graffin on the old bad religion stuff, if you know what im talking about, [url]http://www.purevolume.com/badreligion[/url] (play the second song, f*** armageddon this is hell. just to give you an idea of what i like. it seems like maybe im not pushing hard enough or in the right place, but when i push to hard my voice cracks.

also, i can only scream very quietly...if that makes sense... when i try to scream along with bands i can't do it at the right volume. what's wrong?

thanks for everything so far.

If youre Screaming "quietly"....its not a scream right? It takes push. BUt it has to come from the diaphragm. You need to practice singing. Normal singing so that you know where and what your chest and head voice is and where it seperates. I go over all of this in my hotline, and there are samples there....should be at least.

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

Sorry for bumbing this thread but I did'nt see a point in making a new one for this. Well I just started that falsetto scream today and it kinda sounds like the singer from Rancid's voice especially on the song "Poison" on their 2000 album. I will try to get a recording on here soon to see if you could criticize it. Also, my throat is rather sore now, it has been about a half an hour since I was doing the screaming and I chugged down 2 bottles of water doing it too. Is this just because it is my firstday screaming? Though I did'nt feel any pain while I was screaming. Well thanks for all your advice Merkaba I have read almost everyone of your response's on your hotline.

**I got a bottle of gatorade and drank that and I dont have a sore throat anymore. So, I suppose I was just a little dehydrated.

sore throat = bad

Is there any chance of you re-uploading the clips on the first page of this thread? I'm hoping they can help me, but the soundclick thing has expired.

[QUOTE=Rats]Gerard Way uses horrible technique, his voice is fu[b][i][/b][/i]cked up from it. I know this because I did the same thing and my voice sounded exactly like his...all raspy when he's talking regularly but when he sings live he sometimes has to sing like an octave lower cuz his voice is messed up.[/QUOTE]

this is true, he just pulls chest voice as hard as he can.

that=bad!

[QUOTE=Toaster]Is there any chance of you re-uploading the clips on the first page of this thread? I'm hoping they can help me, but the soundclick thing has expired.[/QUOTE]I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.

[QUOTE=Merkaba]I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]

heres the working link to your page :wave:
[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pageartist.cfm?bandID=228211[/url]

[QUOTE=Merkaba]I'll look into it. Theres a post around here somewhere where someone had the same problem but soundclick had rerouted it or something and there was a new link posted. I'll check soon. Stay tuned.[/QUOTE]
It's fine, I just searched soundclick for "Merkaba" and found it. Thanks though.

Help?!?!? please?
 

hey ive been reading a lot on your vocal stuff and its really awesome. i just want to know if you can help me get a certain sound. i can scream just fine (fry and false chord) and i have a great range, from growls to extreme highs. why cant i hit the highs and lows when im singing? i cant sing that great and i spent forevor mastering screaming. i really want to be able to sing. also, how do you get that rasp/gravel sound like Sebastian Bach (skid row)? thanks so much.