What about Childeren of Bodom, Unearth, Soil Work, Lullacry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=JustCoolMusic]What about Childeren of Bodom, Unearth, Soil Work, Lullacry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

CoB = Power metal with melodic death vocals

Unearth = Metalcore

Soilwork = Formerly melodic death, now hard rock/metal

Lullacry = If I recall correctly, power metal, but it's been a long time since I last listened to them.

[QUOTE=JustCoolMusic]What about Childeren of Bodom, Unearth, Soil Work, Lullacry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/QUOTE]

Leave some exclamation marks for the rest of us, junior

:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=deftoned]REAL, ORIGINAL HARDCORE: Bands that had the punk sound and attitude, but with faster and slightly heavier guitars. The songs were usually very short and more brutal than punk. Vocals were usually shouted, fast guitars, usually 3 chords, and very quick basslines. The drumming is very frenetic and wild, and the movement began in Washington D.C. in the early 80s. Key Bands: Black Flag, Cro Mags, Minor Threat, Discharge, Crass etc.

"NU-HARDCORE": Get BuddyBigsby to write you a defintion, hes the new hardcore guru.

EDIT: The new hardcore music is the opposite of what the original hardcore set out to do..it was to bring music back to the basic 1 minute songs (punk anyone?). Newer hardcore encompasses 4 minute songs (usually) with heavy growls and heavier guitars. NH is known for it's use of "breakdowns", which usually involve swirling guitars, and softer vocals, as a replacement for solos, in some instances. NH is very popular with teenagers (mostly male) now a days.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, thanks Deftoned. You did a nice job on the OG hardcore definition. Cro-Mags are the shizzy.

Modern hardcore = Similar to the earlier hardcore likes of Black Flag, Minor Threat and such, but since then the genre has matured to have longer song times (usually 2-4 minutes), more of a metal influence (but it's not metalcore, I'll touch on that in a bit), and sometimes screaming vocals. Also, modern hardcore has one key ingredient that can not be found in the original incarnation of hardcore: The Breakdown. Breakdown's are usually made up of open chord palm muting, and are intended for moshing. Download "The Great Red Shift" by Most Precious Blood and listen to the ending for a perfect example of this. There are however, many modern hardcore bands that still play hardcore the way it used to be, such as Good Clean Fun and Hit the Deck. Modern hardcore bands: Most Precious Blood, old Hatebreed (they can still be considered hardcore, but it must be noted they have a STRONG metal presence in their music with galloping riffs, Slayer-like leads, and double bass), Bane, Comeback Kid, Throwdown, Count Me Out, Bury Your Dead, 100 Demons, Give Up the Ghost/American Nightmare, Stretch Armstrong, Walls of Jericho (same thing as Hatebreed, though), The Hope Conspiracy, Terror, etc.

Metalcore = The most popular spin-off of hardcore, metalcore takes the sound of modern hardcore, and basically adds [I]more[/I] metal to the sound. However, the majority of metalcore has much more in common with death metal and melodic death metal than it does with traditional hardcore, and there is usually STRONG European-metal influence. It should also be noted that metal bands can are often mistakenly grouped into metalcore simply because of who their members are and who they tour with, or because they have the occasional breakdown (so did Pantera, so are they metalcore?). These metal bands are the likes of Lamb of God, Shadows Fall, Avenged Sevenfold (though their first CD had metalcore influence), and so on. Metalcore bands: As I Lay Dying, Bleeding Through, Blood Has Been Shed, Killswitch Engage, Zao, Dead to Fall, Atreyu, On Broken Wings, Remembering Never, Symphony In Peril, Norma Jean.

Noisecore = Pretty self-explanatory. Very chaotic metalcore that is all over the place and is often very technical. Noisecore bands: Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge (on their last album), Every Time I Die (moreso on [I]Last Night In Town[/I] than on [/I]Hot Dam[font=verdana]n![/font][/I]

Emocore (modern) = Takes the root sound of either hardcore or metalcore, and adds artsy, clean guitar parts, clean vocals, lyrics dealing with lost love and such, etc. etc. For example, Poison the Well is emocore with a root sound of hardcore, while From Autumn to Ashes is emocore with a root sound of metalcore. This genre is often confused with screamo, which I will get to later. Emocore bands: Underoath (new stuff), Poison the Well, From Autumn to Ashes, Alexisonfire, Across Five Aprils, A Static Lullaby, Hopesfall, Thrice (more or less).

Screamo = And so here we are, the genre that everybody confuses with emocore. Screamo is in fact the extreme opposite of Emocore, as it is extremely chaotic. So what sets it apart from noisecore? Screamo has an underlying sense of beauty and a certain artsiness that is simply not found in noisecore. Like Black metal with death metal, this is one of those genres where you have to listen to to understand the difference. Screamo bands: Pg. 99, Kaospilot, Circle Takes the Square, Neil Perry, Love Lost But Not Forgotten, Saetia.

I think that pretty much covers the "-core's". There's some smaller sub-genres like Straight Edge hardcore, NYHC, Tough guy, and melodic hardcore.

[QUOTE=TheMetalWorks]Ozzy is neoclassical? I beg to differ. His music sounds nothing like Yngwie Malmsteen.[/QUOTE]
The earliest incarnation of Ozzy..Randy Rhoads...His guitarwork is so dåmn neo-classical, it's not funny. Try and tell me theres not a large hint of classical influence upon the first two albums?

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Hahaha, thanks Deftoned. You did a nice job on the OG hardcore definition. Cro-Mags are the shizzy.
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Cheers :thumb: Gotta love the old hardcore, can't really dig the newer stuff, although I'm kinda into Zao. At least I took a shot at defining newer hardcore! lol

another key progressive band would be Rush :thumb:

[QUOTE=The Digital Pimp]wow I'm learning a lot here... can anyone classify what genre Finger Eleven fits into? I know their latest album leans towards nu-metal, but their older stuff is quite different...[/QUOTE]

I'd still call their older stuff nu-metal. It tended more towards sullen than angsty or overtly angry, and they did some pseudo-non-commercial sounding stuff in a couple of songs, but they're still nu-metal. Granted, their older two were better (Greyest of Blue Skies enjoyed regular play time for over a year with me.) On a pseudo-related note, am I the only one who has noticed that Finger Eleven makes the absolute worst videos ever? (They also try to release their least commercial songs as singles.) Good Times has some interresting camerawork, but all of their videos (except for First Time) just show them playing the song. They never show any story or anything along those lines.

^ Well..All videos Adam Jones' are involved in are incredible, and make fück all sense to everyone. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Disarm1979]another key progressive band would be Rush :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Rush are progressive, but definetly *not* progressive metal...this thread is about [b]metal[/b] subgenres.

dang :upset:

that was of alot of help to me.......excellent..superb

[quote]On a pseudo-related note, am I the only one who has noticed that Finger Eleven makes the absolute worst videos ever?[/quote]

Yeah they aren't very creative, but I've seen some worse 'just the band performing' music videos (especially down here in New Zealand where budgets are very very thin for new bands), at least Finger use some interesting sets and camera angles/visual effects.

The absolute worst music vids are ones of a band playing in concert, while the CD-quality single plays over it. *shiver*

lush thanks.

problems
 

Noticed your post - have a few problems. Main problem - no mention of grindcore. Your list isn't complete without one of the best, if hardest to pull off, subgenres of deathmetal. C'mon, Nazum, Circle of Dead Children, even good ol Napalm Death (hehehe) and various other bands make other "BRUTAL" band sound sad... just sad.

Heavy Metal? Scratch Shadowsfall, I'm not a huge fan but they come from a more metal core background (think Overcast). Godsmack.. heavy metal? I nearly flipped my powdered wig when I read that.

Last note, melodic metal is lame. At the gates was the only band that could really pull off such sillyness. I won't bore anyone with my favorite bands, honestly who cares. I blame several labels for pushing total garbage onto the "metal community" (those that give money to richer people) and anyone who would sign Mortician. If you read this forum and you like Mortician stop buying their CD's! They are horrible - 5th graders write better lyrics.

ONE

...I read the arguments about the Deftones and nu metal...

Honestly, I think they and bands like SOAD and Mudvayne would fit better into alt-metal more than anything...quite honestly, those bands, at least here, get alot less radio time than alot of other nu metal bands...

I think more bands should go into the heavy or alternative metal genres...they are both underused...and Nu metal needs to be defined a bit better I think, because it's still a bit too vague to be concise (yeah that's redundant)...

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]Noticed your post - have a few problems. Main problem - no mention of grindcore. Your list isn't complete without one of the best, if hardest to pull off, subgenres of deathmetal. C'mon, Nazum, Circle of Dead Children, even good ol Napalm Death (hehehe) and various other bands make other "BRUTAL" band sound sad... just sad.

Heavy Metal? Scratch Shadowsfall, I'm not a huge fan but they come from a more metal core background (think Overcast). Godsmack.. heavy metal? I nearly flipped my powdered wig when I read that.

Last note, melodic metal is lame. At the gates was the only band that could really pull off such sillyness. I won't bore anyone with my favorite bands, honestly who cares. I blame several labels for pushing total garbage onto the "metal community" (those that give money to richer people) and anyone who would sign Mortician. If you read this forum and you like Mortician stop buying their CD's! They are horrible - 5th graders write better lyrics.

ONE[/QUOTE]

- It's Nasum.

- Shadows Fall are metal. They have members of Overcast but guess what.... they aren't Overcast.

- Godsmack can be considered metal. Just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not metal.

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]Noticed your post - have a few problems. Main problem - no mention of grindcore. Your list isn't complete without one of the best, if hardest to pull off, subgenres of deathmetal. C'mon, Nazum, Circle of Dead Children, even good ol Napalm Death (hehehe) and various other bands make other "BRUTAL" band sound sad... just sad.

Heavy Metal? Scratch Shadowsfall, I'm not a huge fan but they come from a more metal core background (think Overcast). Godsmack.. heavy metal? I nearly flipped my powdered wig when I read that.

Last note, melodic metal is lame. At the gates was the only band that could really pull off such sillyness. I won't bore anyone with my favorite bands, honestly who cares. I blame several labels for pushing total garbage onto the "metal community" (those that give money to richer people) and anyone who would sign Mortician. If you read this forum and you like Mortician stop buying their CD's! They are horrible - 5th graders write better lyrics.

ONE[/QUOTE]
For Christ's sake, calm down. The list isn't meant to be complete, add your own definition of grindcore. And no one really cares what you think of melodic metal.

And last of all, People who wear powdered wigs are phagg0rts.

Excellent work legions :thumb:

[QUOTE=Kaden]For Christ's sake, calm down. The list isn't meant to be complete, add your own definition of grindcore. And no one really cares what you think of melodic metal.

And last of all, People who wear powdered wigs are phagg0rts.[/QUOTE]

i didnt see one exclamation point in that whole paragraph.....where did you derive that the fella was uppety about anything you closet powdered wig wearer.

[QUOTE=The Digital Pimp]Yeah they aren't very creative, but I've seen some worse 'just the band performing' music videos (especially down here in New Zealand where budgets are very very thin for new bands), at least Finger use some interesting sets and camera angles/visual effects.[/QUOTE]
hahah especially Blindspott's videos, they suck.

An old mxtabs.net article had this nu-metal description which imo sums it up nicely:

"The music is more raw and aggressive than the Metal of the 80s and 90s. There is generally an absence of a guitar solo, and more emphasis placed upon the rhythm guitar."

To that I'd add bits from your definition:

"Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. Song structure is simplistic, most often verse-chorus alternation or verse-chorus-bridge. Vocals are often highly melodic and can be a fusion of metal and rap. Lyrics generally cover emotions that today's teenagers can relate to, eg rebellion, depression, abuse, drugs. Bands include: Slipknot, Mudvayne, Finger Eleven, Papa Roach, P.O.D., Linkin Park, Disturbed.


While nu-metal is probably the most recently evolving subgenre, I wouldn't call it the 'newest craze to hit the radio', nu-metal has been around since around the mid 90s and has been established as an actual genre, rather than a gimmick.

Nu-metal is nowhere more raw and agressive than 80s and 90s metal. If anything its more watered down and polished.

^Def Lepard anyone?

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]Noticed your post - have a few problems. Main problem - no mention of grindcore. Your list isn't complete without one of the best, if hardest to pull off, subgenres of deathmetal. C'mon, Nazum, Circle of Dead Children, even good ol Napalm Death (hehehe) and various other bands make other "BRUTAL" band sound sad... just sad.

Heavy Metal? Scratch Shadowsfall, I'm not a huge fan but they come from a more metal core background (think Overcast). Godsmack.. heavy metal? I nearly flipped my powdered wig when I read that.

Last note, melodic metal is lame. At the gates was the only band that could really pull off such sillyness. I won't bore anyone with my favorite bands, honestly who cares. I blame several labels for pushing total garbage onto the "metal community" (those that give money to richer people) and anyone who would sign Mortician. If you read this forum and you like Mortician stop buying their CD's! They are horrible - 5th graders write better lyrics.

ONE[/QUOTE]

Mortician are great! Sure, it's very simple crap compared to most stuff out there, but it's very good noise. I'm going to see them live when they come here, hoping to regain my animal instincts. They skip the bull and head right into the core of the agression.

Anyway, you don't know anything about grind. You forgot to mention Carcass. There's a ton of other groups out there which are just as good as Carcass, but the fact is 90% are all Carcass knock-offs.

lame
 

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]- It's Nasum.

- Shadows Fall are metal. They have members of Overcast but guess what.... they aren't Overcast.

- Godsmack can be considered metal. Just because it sucks doesn't mean it's not metal.[/QUOTE]

- yes good work it is nasum.
- Shadows fall - they aren't Overcast but "guess what" the influences are still there. Shadows fall is metal core - not metal. A derivitive of something is not the original object.

- Godsmack is not metal. Godsmack is rock.. or hardrock.. or hard cock.. call it what you will just don't lump it together with remotely respectable "metal" bands.

the best definition of metal and its subgenres [url]http://www.anus.com/metal/about/genre.html[/url]. Anything else leads to the path of gaydom.

and finally powdered wigs still rule

...owned

Its 1990
 

[QUOTE=HappyMarshmellow]Mortician are great! Sure, it's very simple crap compared to most stuff out there, but it's very good noise. I'm going to see them live when they come here, hoping to regain my animal instincts. They skip the bull and head right into the core of the agression.

Anyway, you don't know anything about grind. You forgot to mention Carcass. There's a ton of other groups out there which are just as good as Carcass, but the fact is 90% are all Carcass knock-offs.[/QUOTE]

-that's cool that you enjoy such foolishness, but frankly Mortician is a joke. Normally I couldn't care less who listens to what but the fact is Mortician is so horribly pathetic that they should not be given any form of possitive reinforcment for an act that drags metal back to the days of mullets and acid washed jeans.

- There's a reason I "forgot" to mention carcass - they had one good album. I agree that 90 percent of all "grindcore" bands are knock - offs .. which is amazing because... get this.. Carcass sucks. On top of that - Carcass "knocked off" Napalm Death. Its no longer 1990.. the new Swedes have become effimenent , Norway sucks, and anything labeled melodic death metal is looking for easy money. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather listen to aforemented cd's from that time period but you have to know when to let it go man. Thankfully we can thank Texas (!) for Absu.. one of the best black metal bands ever .... period.

what about
Metal Core, Hardcore, Doom Metal , Stoner Metal, Grindcore?
All in all very accurate list

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]
- Godsmack is not metal. Godsmack is rock.. or hardrock.. or hard cock.. call it what you will just don't lump it together with remotely respectable "metal" bands.
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You f[FONT=Arial]u[/FONT]cking noob. Godsmack is more metal than you, and they are a metal band. Get the hell off this site, you cum-guzzling road slut.

if Godsmack had been around in the 80's, they'd be considered metal. personally, i think they can fit into either a higher classification of nu-metal, or into the simpler reigons of heavy metal.

Reasons for them being "Heavy Metal", some of these have been metioned before:
1. They actually have solos
2. Vocals are in a more "heavy metal" style than the "omfg i wanna scream" style of nu-metal
3. They dont go pushing the teen-angst image that most nu-metal bands go for.
there's more, but this is just off the top of my head.

[QUOTE=sacrifice93.2]You f[FONT=Arial]u[/FONT]cking noob. Godsmack is more metal than you, and they are a metal band. Get the hell off this site, you cum-guzzling road slut.[/QUOTE]

ya know what's cool - the band Anthrax. Fag.

[QUOTE=Exocrist]if Godsmack had been around in the 80's, they'd be considered metal. personally, i think they can fit into either a higher classification of nu-metal, or into the simpler reigons of heavy metal.

Reasons for them being "Heavy Metal", some of these have been metioned before:
1. They actually have solos
2. Vocals are in a more "heavy metal" style than the "omfg i wanna scream" style of nu-metal
3. They dont go pushing the teen-angst image that most nu-metal bands go for.
there's more, but this is just off the top of my head.[/QUOTE]

good points - but Godsmack is still garbage

[QUOTE=2cool_4school]- yes good work it is nasum.
- Shadows fall - they aren't Overcast but "guess what" the influences are still there. Shadows fall is metal core - not metal. A derivitive of something is not the original object.

- Godsmack is not metal. Godsmack is rock.. or hardrock.. or hard cock.. call it what you will just don't lump it together with remotely respectable "metal" bands.

the best definition of metal and its subgenres [url]http://www.anus.com/metal/about/genre.html[/url]. Anything else leads to the path of gaydom.

and finally powdered wigs still rule

...owned[/QUOTE]

I'll go with you on Godsmack, but I stand by what I said about Shadows Fall. Sure, they have breakdowns, but so did Pantera.

Well done... but i think like Metallica (for example) is Metallica, not trash metal (maybe it is, but is was just an example), many bands cannot be described with genres... :)

[QUOTE=adeftfan]i didnt see one exclamation point in that whole paragraph.....where did you derive that the fella was uppety about anything you closet powdered wig wearer.[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean to imply that he was uppity about it, but that he seemed angry about the list.


2cool_4school, I gotta tell you, your opinions are not law. People can write about bands you don't like, and people can like bands you hate.

Thank you for telling me what to listen to, allmighty god of the internet.

2cool_4school HAS to be a troll, nobody can be that stupid.

Here is my definition of a Sludgecore (WTF I hear you cry)
Sludgecore was made up by a bunch of journalists attempting to be "l33t3r dan j00" imo, but anyway. To me, Sludgecore sounds exactly like Death metal apart from two factors, the songs generally aren't as fast, and the guitars are distorted almost beyond recognition. There are about three sludgecore bands in the world, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Raging Speedhorn.

Please do not take the above definition too seriously, it is mostly opinion.

I still think a mod should take the time to delete the useless posts (again, including this one) in this thread, and leave the real meat.

[QUOTE=chimairaforlife]I still think a mod should take the time to delete the useless posts (again, including this one) in this thread, and leave the real meat.[/QUOTE]
I second that. Just remove all posts except the posts that actually describe the genres.

Maybe they should wait until it gets a little longer, as some of these "useless" posts actually relate to the discussion, like for instance the discussion on the classification of the Deftones (page 4 I think).

Nah, I agree with the deletion suggestion.