Well like I said I dont know what your listening to because the toms sustain for 6 to 8 seconds (boooommmm) and the snare only for about 2 seconds (donk), so that would indicate that the toms have more sustain than the snare, but whatever.

Dude. Your a friggin idiot.

Those drums sound like dick. With the exception of the snares. Not even close to the price tag.

But you'll keep up with your truly insane plugging of a company you don't even own the products of.

Proof you are a total looser. Championing the cause of something you don't even belong too.

Yep, and you will keep commenting on stuff, and giving bull shit advice that you have absolutely no clue about, like the moron know it all you are. All you need to do is go to any pro forum, to see that 99% of real drummers dont agree with your uneducated opinion of this type of drum design.

http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93917&highlight=guru
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97800&highlight=guru
http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96303&highlight=guru

Funny part is, is that you think the Arbitors are good even tho its the exact same design but could not be tuned evenly because of the single point tuning system. But thats just another one of your personal views, that proves your just a know it all who actually knows nothing about anything, and therefore trys to BS everyone to make yourself look and feel like your special. Well your special alright, extremely special.:thumb:

FYI for the 100th time since you seem to be a bit slow, I do own a set of this design and when something happens to them I will replace them with another, but at this point why replace something I already own with another of the same.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah.

You don't own the product. If there was like many sites, a requirement to enter your serial number or purchase order for the product you are reviewing...

...you would be denied.

LOL, your funny, a bit simple, but funny. I love how you always try to change the subject after you have been made to look like a fool, which BTW seems to happen a lot lately.

Sure buddy.

Sure.

Whatever makes you feel better....

The arbiter system does tune evenly. If you've ever really played one, that's the entire concept of it and it worked perfectly! They didnt have all the extra weight that the off-shoots have on them.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKTDqOLxZgM[/url]
Minimalist perfection

No, whatever makes you feel better. It has become too obvious that no matter what I post on here, you feel the need to make up some sort of BS to try and discredit my statements, just to appear as a self proclaimed know it all.

The fact of the matter is your pathetic and childish, and your earlier post showing that you had no idea what the difference between resonance and sustain was, just goes to prove that you know jack shit. You should really stick to stuff you actually know something about, whatever that might be.

Better yet, do some research and educate yourself first before opening your mouth. This way you can provide some helpful advice to others instead of multitude of useless information you keep filling these threads with.

BTW, I thought you were ignoring me and cant read my posts? Just more of your bull shit like always I guess...lol

Poor bastard

And to think you're not even making any money trying to pawn off those shitty tubs

[QUOTE=Jeffs Carrot;18982756]The arbiter system does tune evenly. If you've ever really played one, that's the entire concept of it and it worked perfectly! They didnt have all the extra weight that the off-shoots have on them.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKTDqOLxZgM[/url]
Minimalist perfection[/QUOTE]

Sorry Jeff but if you do some research you will find that it actually didnt. The inconsistencies in the mylar and head construction make this impossible. Yes it tightened evenly but the head does not stretch evenly which is why all drums still have multiple positions around the head for even tuning. Even on the Arbitor flats, although less of a factor without a shell, the biggest complaint was still the inability to get the head in perfect tune all the way around using a single position tuning design. This is one of the reasons why they recommended using pinstripes so the differences would be nullified. They even stated in the owners manual that it would not pull evenly and how to tap the V clamp near the wrinkles to try and even them out.

That aside, the whole point was the fact that regardless of how its tuned Vinnie basically stated, the use of a shell with external rerings instead of metal lugs screwed thru the shell worked very well for Arbiter but doesnt work at all for anyone else. To actually believe this is laughable, whats next, only one company can make drums from maple and have them sound good, or only one guitar maker can build a fretboard with rosewood that works. Seriously?


[QUOTE=Far Side;18982758]Poor bastard

And to think you're not even making any money trying to pawn off those shitty tubs[/QUOTE]

The funny thing is, I am not and have not been trying to pawn anything, I only posted the info so that anyone that may be interested, would be aware that this design is again being built, and by 2 different companies.

Wow. You are a fool.

[QUOTE=tard;18982757]No, whatever makes you feel better. It has become too obvious that no matter what I post on here, you feel the need to make up some sort of BS to try and discredit my statements, just to appear as a self proclaimed know it all.
[/QUOTE]

Do you understand that makes you clinically insane?

That's actually the very definition of insanity. Trying to do the same thing, and expecting different results.

You come here, touting your crap and admit that it's pointless. Yet you do it anyway...

That makes you insane. Literally, by definition, clinically insane.

Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.


The very fact that you, tard, will post again in response to this, only cements the facts all the more clearly.

...and despite saying he will do it...


Wait for it....


wait for it.....

[QUOTE=tard;18982759]Sorry Jeff but if you do some research you will find that it actually didnt.[/QUOTE]
I don't need to do research on them, I have actually played them and have spent time with the drums. The worm gear tightening with the single lug is more even than any amount of individual lugs on a drum. If we are talking purely even tuning for the full head nothing is better than the original way. Now if you want certain quirks in the drum like having a lug or two looser on purpose for a specific sound the arbiter cannot do that. But for getting a pure evenness on top and bottom head it did it the best.

[QUOTE=Jeffs Carrot;18982763]I don't need to do research on them, I have actually played them and have spent time with the drums. The worm gear tightening with the single lug is more even than any amount of individual lugs on a drum. If we are talking purely even tuning for the full head nothing is better than the original way. Now if you want certain quirks in the drum like having a lug or two looser on purpose for a specific sound the arbiter cannot do that. But for getting a pure evenness on top and bottom head it did it the best.[/QUOTE]

Ok, but tell me this. If the tuning system worked so good and it tuned the head so evenly, then why would they print in the owners manual that the heads will not pull evenly? In their own words:

"Many of our customers prefer the 'instant gratification' of the Pinstripe sound on their Flats toms and occasionally small 'creases' appear in these heads. Don't be alarmed, the twin plies of the pinstripe are intentionally glued together only at the outside edge. Therefore the plies will not pull evenly against each other when under tension. This is neither the fault of the drum nor the head and, by forcefully tapping the Vee-Clamp alongside the wrinkles, (to move it up the angles formed by the lower flange and the counter hoop as detailed elsewhere in the handbook), we can go some way to remove these creases."

Yep, sounds like it works perfect! Hmm, Neither the fault of the drum or the head? Then who? If you still dont believe it, here is a link to the owners manual so you can read it for yourself.

http://www.djmmusic.com/mmDJM/Images/flats_instruction_manual.pdf

No head pulls evenly when you first put it on no matter the system used. It needs to be seated and broken in properly.

Nice try! You took that out of context:

Here it is, in full context:

"Many of our customers prefer the 'instant gratification' of the Pinstripe sound on their Flats toms and occasionally small 'creases' appear in these heads. Don't be alarmed, the twin plies of the pinstripe are intentionally glued together only at the outside edge. Therefore the plies will not pull evenly against each other when under tension. This is neither the fault of the drum nor the head and, by forcefully tapping the Vee-Clamp alongside the wrinkles, (to move it up the angles formed by the lower flange and the counter hoop as detailed elsewhere in the handbook), we can go some way to remove these creases."

Wow. You think people can't read?!

tard that is seriously pathetic. Anyone can see you took PART of a sentence totally out of context and tried to apply it in a general way to the entire system.

Pathetic. You truly are a sad, sad little old man.

Just a sad old lonely man.

Guess he didn't think we'd read the manual

Plus, the flaw was in the heads, not the system

No, it wasnt taken out of context, the point is you have to frig with it to get it tuned properly. I posted the link so you could see that for yourself and even told you to go read it FFS.

Yes, the head is the problem, which I have said right along, inconsistencies in the mylar and head construction render the tuning system less than perfect. Unless your going to build a better head than whats available, you better design a system that can work with it.

Again, you keep changing the subject, which was not the tuning system but the fact that Vinnie stated that, the design of the drum itself with the external rerings worked well for them, but wont for anyone else using this design. Why is that, did Arbiter have a magic spell that only makes it work for them? Just a total moron in the true sense of the word.

Guru website has lots of new stuff on there, including pics of all their drums with or without lugs.

http://www.gurudrumworks.co.uk/

Do they pay you a lot to advertise for them?

The insanity of someone trying to push products to a group of people who have made it abundantly clear they don't give a shit is fascinating.

[QUOTE=Vinnie's Ice Cream;19017277]Do they pay you a lot to advertise for them?

The insanity of someone trying to push products to a group of people who have made it abundantly clear they don't give a shit is fascinating.[/QUOTE]

Apparently you do give a shit tho, or you would not keep shooting your mouth off like such a looser every time someone makes a post...lol....