limited wash, not too pingy, dry, and dark

21/22" Byzance Extra Dry.

like you mentioned earlier, the one at my store is real washy because it is so thin. thanks for helpin out though

No worries dude.

this is sort of like the one they had at the store i wanted but now its gone. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHdmS6mo-qs[/url]

i sent bosphorus an email asking them if they sold their shi right out of the location in Kennesaw which is the main US location, right outside of atlanta where i live. yup

I got to borrow a 22" Ufip Natural Ride once [a bit under medium weight] that I think would suit your needs; look for something like that. Maybe even with a rivet installed [three holes drilled, one used].

any knowledge on sabian sr2's? i like the idea of inexpensive cast cymbals but is it a gamble?

There was a thread on them here a while ago if you search around. I think they're basically cymbals that never got the final tick on going from production to shipping out as HHX/HH/AA/XS20 etc. mycymbal.com [or whatever the correct URL is] has soundfiles of them, so I'd say they'd be safe to purchase on them.

Head question: best combo of heads for toms and bass [batter and reso] to go on bubinga shells. Toms are short-stack sizes, bass is 22x20. Thinking Emp/Amb for toms and PS4/PS3-stock for the bass. Thoughts?

*ahem*

hey, im looking to get a new ride cymbal, but im not sure what to get. At the moment all my cymbal are Zildjian A Custom, and i would prefer to stay with zildjian but im not sure i like the sound of the ride. Also, i want to change my Hi Hats to Zildjian's new Z3 range.
I play mainly heavy metal...any help would be appreciated.

price: anywhere from £0 - £250 ($0 - $400 approx.)

If you want ping, for for a K Heavy. If you want wash go for a Sweet Ride.

any particular size?

I've got the 22" K Heavy and can attest to it's sublime awesomeness, but I think the 22" has been discontinued and only a 20" is available new. The A Sweet Ride only comes in 21".

Heads: What's the difference between different tom drum heads? I know kick and snare heads have special stuff, but whats the difference between, say, an Evans G2 coated batter head and an Aquarian Texture coated batter head?

Cymbals: I've read that basically if you hear a nice (ex.) Paiste Alpha China and love the sound, then go buy the same cymbal, size, etc, that it won't be the same? Is this true? I really like the two crashes Jimmy Sullivan (The Rev//Avenged Sevenfold) uses, and the china Alex Rodriguez (Saosin) used in their first album. I'm going to buy a new drum set and new heads before i get new cymbals, but why not learn about them now, eh?

Heads: For starters there are single ply and 2-ply heads and these come in clear and coated flavors. Each combination has its own set of characteristics. Consult the tuning bible for the differences.

Cymbals: There are two things going on with cymbals. 1) What you hear on records is vastly different than what you hear in person. The cymbals are picked up differently by the microphones, which sound different in different rooms, and is further altered the effects added during mixdown (among other things). 2) Each specific cymbal has its own characteristics as well. Although you may buy the same brand, weight, series, size as someone else, it will sound different. The room, again, plays into this a lot.

i knew about 1 vs 2 ply, and coated vs clear, i just dont know the differing EFFECTS (i shall check that site. It's in my favorite's list)

Well crap =/ So then if i like a sound on an album i'm out of luck?

Is K custom a good line for jazz? Any other suggestions? I like the sound of the 20" Dry Ride K Custom. As for a crash, what could you guys suggest for something very jazz-oriented, but sounds great with pop/rock beat.

They're great. I don't like the Dry Ride though, it's pretty one sided compared to the Pre-Aged or the Special Dry Rides. If you want to have a one ride setup I'd go for any of these:

20" Pre-Aged
21" Special Dry
21" Left-Side
20" Constinople Medium High-Bell

[QUOTE=hairydinosaurs;17754317]hey, im looking to get a new ride cymbal, but im not sure what to get. At the moment all my cymbal are Zildjian A Custom, and i would prefer to stay with zildjian but im not sure i like the sound of the ride. Also, i want to change my Hi Hats to Zildjian's new Z3 range.
I play mainly heavy metal...any help would be appreciated.

price: anywhere from £0 - £250 ($0 - $400 approx.)[/QUOTE]

Got a ZXT 20" medium... And it's pretty cool ! The sound is very clear and it's nice to play metal or jazz... Or jazz metal ! :)
The bell have a nice clear and powerful sound too. But it's probably not as cool as Z A custom.

I have planed to buy a ZXT hi-hat, but it seems to be not very precise.

I play modern rock, a little fusion jazz, and some metal. I'm tryin to find people to start a band (I'm anti-social, and don't know many people..), and will try to play screamo music.... minus the screaming. I love the music in so many bands, but the screaming RUINS it, imo. Ex. All That Remains, Trivium, early Avenged Sevenfold

But anyways, what would be good cymbals for this? I have my own picks for Sabian and Paiste based on the online recordings (not quite old enough to hop in the car and run to guitar center and play around with cymbals, and parents wont take me), but I want to see what's suggested, especially since just about everyone here has more experience than i do

quick question,
I got a birch kit and and really want a maple sound. I can't afford a new kit, so what kind of heads/combination/techniques will give me closest to that.

Thanks

Heads have a much more important bearing on tone than maple. Focus on the tone you want, and tune accordingly.

I agree, yet I still think maple kits have a noticeably warmer tone, especially in the larger toms, than my birch kit does. I do believe my best bet is to go with some pinstripes after testing some stuff out.

All things considered, I guess with the same exact heads tuned exactly the same, I guess maple may be a warmer sounding tone.

What will help with "warmth" is using coated heads.

Hay D&P, long time no see.
Finally back in the game!
In a living situation where I can drum again, and in a band to motivate me :p
Just got, for peanuts, a perfectly untouched Gretsch Catalina Club 4-piece jazz kit (but goddamnit, it'll still work for hardcore. For such a tiny bass drum that thing has some powerrr). It has gorgeous perfect Evans coated heads with a Remo on the snare.

Now, using the poopty off-brand trashcan lids PDP calls "cymbals" that came with my old kit is quite the disgrace. I do have a Sabian Xs medium ride that I got 3 years ago, and I love it. What I need is a crash and some hats that won't sound TERRIBLY awkward with my current set-up, but will still lean more towards general rock/alternative/punk. Bonus points for not being ***-rapingly expensive. I coulda gotten some new B8s for super-cheap [probably still can], but I'm not too sure on 'em.

EDIT: So I went into Drum Headquarters today, and the guy was kind of a dick, trying to push the Xs 20 pack on me. Even though he said I could trade the ride in [since I have one], it'd be around $380 bucks for 14" hats and 2 crashes -- 16 & 18. I don't want 2 crashes. So I looked on Musician's Friend, and now I'm debating:

Xs20 First Pack -- 14" hats & 16" medium-thin crash [$300]

or

Xs20 Regular Hats -- 13" [$169] or 14" [$189]

With one of the following:

Xs20 Medium Thin Crash -- 14" [$95] or 16" [$125]
or
APX Crash Cymbal -- 14" [$109] or 16" [$149]

UGH. Too many combinations.
When I went into the store the guy kept shoving me at the Xs20s so I didn't even get a chance to hit the APX [plus there was another guy and salesguy there who kept hitting things though I'd been there first], but from the description and sole, lonely review it sounds like something that'd still sound good for me. I mentioned in-store that I liked the smaller crashes better [14" and 16" both, really], but he insisted I didn't want a 14" because it wouldn't work for live music.

What sayest thou, D&P? I don't need things that are super fancy, which is why I'm not looking much above the Xs20 [except, obviously, the APX]. Is the fancier cymbal worth the extra money? Will it stand out ALL TOO MUCH? I mean, my ride isn't brilliant so the pack would be exactly the same as it, but the individual Xs20 crash is...help me :(

I'd go with second-hand off ebay for a $300ish price range. You've already got a ride you like so that's half the battle. I'd go with 16" to 18" Avedis or AA/AAX and 13" or 14" of the same. Ebay is good.

get a good pair of hihats first try used cymbals like aaron said. ive gotten some sweet deals on ebay and the used section at local music shops. cant go wrong with aa or aax and im saying that from experience. Not sure whats out there now but ive gotten an 18inch aa chinese for $70 through ebay and it was just a little dirty with no cracks, bends or warps. Also got an 18inch aa medium crash for 80. If your looking for something budget wise you could try stagg or wuhan but i wouldnt suggest getting an xs20, especially a pack. packs are poopty. unless its a neil sig pack but nobody on gods green earth has the money for that.

Haha, well I didn't go with any of the above [well, almost]. I poked around on ebay, reconsidering everything, and ordered some like-new 14" AA hi-hats and a 16" APX crash, all for the same budget I was shooting for with the Xs20s ^_^ I can't wait 'til they get here~~~

Next, Iron Cobra pedal. And then I'm done upgrading for the time being.

Thanks for the input (^^)v

No worries, glad to help! :)

I'm thinking about getting some Pasite 2002s. Thoughts?