[QUOTE=Excursions]Saying metal is better because of the musicianship is a redundant point in many ways. Listen to the Minutemen. The end.[/QUOTE]
meh its decent not really my cup of tea but thats onyl one band i think the only other punk band thats focused more around musicianship is Kylahullut. also the thoing about punk that turns me off is the vocals i hate those nasaly wierd clash kinda vocals.

Listen to Propagandhi. Try them. Punk/Thrash, not like Clash vocals at all.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]Listen to Propagandhi. Try them. Punk/Thrash, not like Clash vocals at all.[/QUOTE]
those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)

I bet you would like Siege. They were a huge influence on Napalm Death or so I hear.

[QUOTE=Excursions]I bet you would like Siege. They were a huge influence on Napalm Death or so I hear.[/QUOTE]
crap they dont have any on rhapsody

EDIT: im also not big on thrash metal i like Biomechanical, metallica, megadeth, pantera and a couple moe but thats about it for thrash.

[QUOTE=Laihoistheman]those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)[/QUOTE]

A Wilhelm Scream, Marathon. Good musicianship and vocals.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]A Wilhelm Scream, Marathon. Good musicianship and vocals.[/QUOTE]
all the vocals seem to sound the same to me and again the musicianship on these arent really my cup of tea there decent licks but they dont compare to metals stuff, but atleast i liked the lyrics better.

Did you actually listen to both of those?

[QUOTE=Laihoistheman]those are the kinda vocals i dont like the musicianship wasnt very good and i really dont like the lyrics (im more conservative)[/QUOTE]

1. What's wrong with the Clash's vocals??? I think Joe Strummer and Mick Jones were good singers.

2.That's probably another reason why you don't like punk, because you're more conservative and a lot of punk bands sing about social issues and tend to be more open minded and liberal.

3. Try the Angel City Outcasts. I like them a lot and they have a really good guitarist.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]Did you actually listen to both of those?[/QUOTE]
i couldent find marathon but i found the other one they have 2 cds and 2 vids.


EDIT to above: yeah thats probally that and its not my kind of music instrumentally.

im into the more Priest, Maiden, Biomechanical kinda vocals so to me punk vocals like the clash's dont really compare.

the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music

Because a lot of metal lyrics I've heard blow.

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve]the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Lyrics are really important, in my oppinion.

[QUOTE=Skrunnch]Because a lot of metal lyrics I've heard blow.[/QUOTE]
like i said im not big on lyrics im big on musicianship lyrics are the least i worry about when i listen to metal sometimes theres no lyrics or vocals at all.

[QUOTE=Ghostfire3]Exactly. Lyrics are really important, in my oppinion.[/QUOTE]

Same here.

[QUOTE=Excursions]Saying metal is better because of the musicianship is a redundant point in many ways. Listen to the Minutemen. The end.[/QUOTE]
i don't think the minutemen really qualify as straight "punk". clearly they're an exception. IMO, they're more in the vain of awesome jam bands like phish or primus, very versatile and fusion-ey. also, i don't think most people like metal for the musicianship, as in, technical skill. it's more that the instruments are used to create more interesting (yes, subjective, i know) sounds than with a repeated power chord assembly.

[QUOTE=Laihoistheman]like i said im not big on lyrics im big on musicianship lyrics are the least i worry about when i listen to metal sometimes theres no lyrics or vocals at all.[/QUOTE]

Try listening to the Angel City Outcasts. They have a really good guitarist. Listen to the song "I'm and A.C.O."

people have tried to show me stuff in the harcore and pop-section too but i havent liked any of it.

[QUOTE=Ghostfire3]Try listening to the Angel City Outcasts. They have a really good guitarist. Listen to the song "I'm and A.C.O."[/QUOTE]
i cant find any on rhapsody.

EDIT: i got ahold of that song on yahoo its mostly like all the other rock guitarist iv heard listen to Kylahullut (there really hard to find)

[QUOTE=Ghostfire3]1. What's wrong with the Clash's vocals??? I think Joe Strummer and Mick Jones were good singers.[/QUOTE]

They were good. Especially Joe. And I never thought they were "nasely" at all. So far as musicianship, Topper Headon was one of rocks better drummers, period. Paul is a good bass player and always was, Joe was a solid rythmn guitarist, and all you have to do is hear the Clash live to know Mick was a brillant, resourceful, and creative guitar player. Within the genre or outside the genre.

I like punk more than anything, but i still listen to music that has a litle metal thrown into the genre, like Black Flag, and Nirvana (neither are metal and i know nirvana isnt punk but you know what i mean, yeh?) I like rock though, its pretty much where it all started, so why hate rock? One thing i find about metal, is the different sort of aggression that it has to hardcore punks. Its hard to describe but i think you know what i mean. I reckon a lot of metalheads hate punk though because of all the pop punk bands out there claiming to be punk. I know this is a way overused excuse but in my experience, its just a misunderstanding on both sides.

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve]the thing against metal to me is that alot of the "metal heads" i know only care about the guitar solos. They dont really pay attention to lyrics and melodies or anything aside from the talented music[/QUOTE]
that's valid, a lot of metal people i know are like that.

BUT I'M NOT :upset:

really, most "enlightened" metalheads know how to love a song as a whole. i can't stand death metal just because of the vocals, even though the music is normally pretty awesome and sufficiently technical.

[QUOTE=CelticPunkRocker]I like punk more than anything, but i still listen to music that has a litle metal thrown into the genre, like Black Flag, and Nirvana (neither are metal and i know nirvana isnt punk but you know what i mean, yeh?) I like rock though, its pretty much where it all started, so why hate rock? One thing i find about metal, is the different sort of aggression that it has to hardcore punks. Its hard to describe but i think you know what i mean. I reckon a lot of metalheads hate punk though because of all the pop punk bands out there claiming to be punk. I know this is a way overused excuse but in my experience, its just a misunderstanding on both sides.[/QUOTE]
hmmm....im not getting your point

[QUOTE=Skidmark Steve]hmmm....im not getting your point[/QUOTE]
there were a lot of points thrown into that dude's argument, but i think his main one was that metalheads didn't [I]get[/I] punk, and vice versa. i think this is true for most people, but there are a lot of people that listen to/have listened to both, and thus appreciate both :thumb:

That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.

[QUOTE=Ghostfire3]That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.[/QUOTE]
yea same here

[QUOTE=Ghostfire3]That's what might be kinda weird about going to a Misfits show. I bet there would be a good number of metal heads and a good number of punks there too. I've noticed that a lot of metal heads like the Misfits, most likely because they like Danzig.[/QUOTE]
ohh yeah, the misfits are one of the few bands that stayed with me from my transition from punk to metal :thumb:

i prefer them over danzig, too.

uhh yeah, good point, cleverman, there's a lot of crossover.

I like Punk, I like Rock, and I like Metal. Maybe not everything from each, but that's probably obvious. While I do like it, I can only listen to Rock for a limited amount of time, and usually only certain bands.

[QUOTE=Laihoistheman]meh its decent not really my cup of tea but thats onyl one band i think the only other punk band thats focused more around musicianship is Kylahullut. also the thoing about punk that turns me off is the vocals i hate those nasaly wierd clash kinda vocals.[/QUOTE]

You should try Nomeansno, they're pretty talented.

The closest thing I get ot really loving metal is Alice in Chains, but then again that's just Grunge with heavy metal influnces. I just don't like the BAM BAM BAM BAM!!! of metal which alot of it has. I might like some softer more melodic metal though.

As far as Rock. You know how every white kid grows up listening to The Beatles or AC/DC? I was raised on Biggie and Tupac.

I've never been interested in classic rock, and when I am it's only to look at inlunces of bands I really like. I like one Led Zep song though.

As far as the forums goes my MX love spreads accorss the horizon.

[QUOTE=Ihatehate]The closest thing I get ot really loving metal is Alice in Chains, but then again that's just Grunge with heavy metal influnces. I just don't like the BAM BAM BAM BAM!!! of metal which alot of it has. I might like some softer more melodic metal though.

As far as Rock. You know how every white kid grows up listening to The Beatles or AC/DC? I was raised on Biggie and Tupac.

I've never been interested in classic rock, and when I am it's only to look at inlunces of bands I really like. I like one Led Zep song though.

As far as the forums goes my MX love spreads accorss the horizon.[/QUOTE]
Try Nightwish or Kamelot for the softer melodic stuff.

That guy needs to listen to... PROTEST THE HERO. You won't like the vocals but the instrumental is awesome. Also, try Death By Stereo.
I don't like R&M because i find a) its boring and b) its music for musicians, not for the common ear. Also, a lot of the metalheads\classic rock guys i know are incredibly cocky and stubborn about they're music and won't give anything labelled outside their genre a second look. Also in death metal, the vocals (if you wish to call them that) are bad. I hate to sound so closed minded, but there is no other way to say it. Its not singing, its not screaming, its not even yelling. Anyone can sound deep and scary with a little work. Sure they're good at guitar, but thats not enough to make me want to listen to it.