DFelon or Joshmay can you lock the king's posted songs they keep getting bumped and he's been banned and the people here are just retarded and it's getting on me and APS's nerves
lol I appreciate ya :thumb:

nevermind seems he has been unbanned

[QUOTE=Corupt2057]nevermind seems he has been unbanned[/QUOTE]
I reported him and another guy in site, but, of course, no one reads that thread :-/

interesting music but not my thing, prefer European Gothic
Dude listen to this u might like it its a little band from my area (Hampshire, England)calles MFKZT, they use drum Machines but its noisy :D
[url]http://www.mfkzt.co.uk/[/url]
By the way its pronounced Muf-Ku-Zit

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]I'll ban him later. I just got my computer back and it came just in time to write 2 essays, study for 2 tests, and do a problem set, all due tomorrow.[/QUOTE]
/knows how that goes
/is in college too

I don't exactly follow, mine lacks any flow whatsoever until the end, at least in my mind... It's probably because I tried to put music to it and couldn't. Just doesn't work acoustically :upset:.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Why does everybody have such a huge boner for flow this time around. How can you understand flow unless it purposefully rhymes. Have you ever heard how Circle Takes the Square puts lyrics to music. It's straight poetry to music. No attention to flow. They make it work because they're that cool. It's about content more than structure.[/QUOTE]
I always do :p Read any crit I ever have written, if it's not flowy I bitch about it. I also hate CTTS.

crap...I wrote it, edited it, and accidentally took out the word. oops. my bad.

So if you read way back youll find a conversation between rushfan and sonnet...............
im the guitarist for rushfan and yeah, were still looking for a singer. Rushfan does the lyrics cause its hard as hell finding someone who can write and sing more or less just someone who can sing.
and to the kid who thinks our only obsession is music and we dont do anything in school. No, its not. Ive got a 4.0 and rushfan is quite the intelligent being. Thats part of the reason we'e better at compiling music than most people and why we are haveing trouble finding a singer (most people of the higher intelligence cant sing, and if they can, theyre goth)
sonnet, thanks for your help we appriciat.
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.
In reference to our stye, were as close to 80s sound as we can get. Its a combination of sabbath/Ozzy sound, rush lyrical rythm, and a little of our own. No extreme amount of keyboard and were trying to put more bass into it.
any suggestions on how to find a good basist or how to get a more pink floydish sound?

I'm not a fan of Pink Floyd... find a good bassist by putting ads up in music stores and in the classifieds and stuff. It works.

[QUOTE=TheEvilErk2008]
no offence to goths but goths arent as unique as you say you are. All of you are exactly the same in trying to be different.
[/QUOTE]


Goth is about the search for a different personality, not to be different thats more punk. 'Goths' that say its about being different haven't got a clue what they're on about really, Yes I am saying Gothic is fading.
Gothic comes from ideas during the gothic era (Europe 1800's), The idea is derived from novels like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, Dracula, Frankenstein and all them GOTHIC horror stories.

About the bassist part, as i said to Rushfan, find a bassist with rhythm, not a fast left hand, both would be ideal but hard to find. I play bass myself and pretty advanced (grade 8, English standard, dunno if that means anything to you) but I still find it hard to keep up with the beat when i'm tapping it so really you wanna look at rhythm and not what physical techniques he/she can use and that kinda ****.

I've had my say, good bye and have a nice day....

Hmm...actually the Gothic was an extension of the Romantic period and dealt with embracing emotions, but in the case of the gothic, the darker and more morbid ones.

poop.

Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?

[QUOTE=Disco Dragon]Do any of you guys realize how dumb you sound when you try to define a certain type of personality. By giving "gothic" or "punk" a single, definitive definition, you're basically saying that you have to conform to that prototype to be considered different. Doesn't really make much sense, does it?[/QUOTE]
Gothic kids aren't Gothic. You can define real Gothicism because it originated a few hundred years ago as an art movement. Punk is also definable, but only as something going against the norm. Nothing is the same, so how can you define anything?

You can define individual people. That's always fun.

you can't define a certain styles, but they are just the ideas behind them. And gothic is a very wide sense it can be found in music, art, Literature and drama.
The Gothic zeppelinfan is talking about can be found in music,
Fashion and Art relates back to the Pagans (which were not satanists)
Gothic is indeed something you cant describe in one sentence.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.[/QUOTE]
...because liking zeppelin makes me a fanboy and means I don't like good music...

I'm still amazed by the stupidity I encounter sometimes.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]Well that's because you're retarded. To cater to your musical tastes when Robert Plant goes "Awww ahhhh awww ahhhhh" on Black Dog that sure as hell flows but it is just him making noises. It's not lyrical. Too bad Zeppelin's lyrics suck. Thank god for that riffing.[/QUOTE]

Disagree lyrics are always gd as long as they're used for the right thing,

The lyrics for stairway are not bad, as long as you know that Robert Plant is on about heroine

i agree that you cant define goths, but to say you are one is a huge leap. I get tired of seeing all these kids dressing up like vampires and acting like there is no hope in life, but they have nothing to complain about. But mostly i was refering to the musical standpoint of gothism. any time i hear it, it just makes you want to go and kill yourself cause they complain so much. And then all those frekin posers go and start blaring the music just so they can fit in with a click. im a fan of good apocolyptic themes,(such as By the Waters of Babylon, a great short story) but every other song? is gets a bit dolt and old.
If yall want to stand out, do it through hard work and skill, not through emphasizing depressing characteristics of everyday life.

Thanks for the suggestions on bass. We're new to this so we want to stay local, and local doesnt have any music stores. you would think there would be a couple of kids in an entire school of 1000 who could play bass, but none do. all of them brag about how theyre guitar players, yet many of them couldnt even play with a simple 4 beat on the drums. Next year we'll ask around the new kids and in the mean time check out the talent show.

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]No. What I was saying is that often people compromise lyrics for flow. I find flow to be incredibly secondary. You do not. I was making fun of a band that really sacrifices lyrical content for flow or feel. If you're a truly good band you can let your music have the feel and flow and just let whatever lyrics you interject flow on top. I don't need to listen to Bono go WHOAAAAAA over and over in 4/4 to keep me happy.[/QUOTE]
I find a balance necessary, if I want to read poetry, I'll read poetry, if I want lyrics, I want a mix of sound and content. Music is, to me, about the mood and emotion it creates, and lyrics that are disjunct with the music ruin that for me. If I saw lyrics entered in the challenge that were only "Whoa whoa" I wouldn't give it a good rating. I think you're taking my preference for flow to an illogical extreme here. I think both should be present so, decent lyrics present, I'll look for flow supplementing them :)

EDIT: Sorry if I jumped on you earlier, school stress++

I always thought the Goths were ravaging hordes that pillaged and terrorized Europe. And they came in varieties like Ostrogoth, Visigoth, Hottopicgoth...

Balancing flow is and lyrical content is a skill, and there are extremes on either end. I try to do both, but it just takes experimentation. Most of it is personal preference, but you can make anything flow if you have the proper rhythm to it (CTTS).

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]See. You said it yourself: "supplementing." It is a plus, an addition. I sense people evaluated my song primarily as flow and not with flow as the supplement. I think people should only really weight flow for hip hop but even with that, verbal wit and lyricism is still more important. Also, I am able to evaluate quality of content/meaning/poeticism without hearing the music that supplements it. That's the thing, how can you know if it flows or not if you can't hear the music? A lot of lyrics don't make sense flow-wise until you know the song or at least the meter so it's unfair to dock somebody for not having a "flow" you can recognize. They may have a meticulously planned in figured out but the grader is just too stupid to get it. That sucks.[/QUOTE]
Well the thing is, I need to see a balance, and, for the record, I thought yours did flow. I would rather see decent lyrics and great flow over great lyrics and no flow in general though. I don't evaluate content, if I did I would always get a zero because my topics aren't original. I evaluate lyricism, which includes flow, content and structure mong other things for me. I don't dock heavily for flow, I use it as a deciding factor between roughly equivalent pieces in my eyes.

[QUOTE=TheEvilErk2008]. But mostly i was refering to the musical standpoint of gothism. any time i hear it, it just makes you want to go and kill yourself cause they complain so much.[/QUOTE]
There is music like that which fits in with the style gothic, Personally i call them bands 'The rapists of gothic'. A reasonably good example (if i say so myself) of gothic lyrics is my entry in challenge 83. ([url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=308144[/url] post number 12)
The annoying thing is that america (no offence) was not a very good influence on gothicism. Gothic music is a fusion of Celtic, Romantic and Metal
Good examples are bands like After Forever, Within Temptation and Nightwish.

[QUOTE=super deluxe ].I always thought the Goths were ravaging hordes that pillaged and terrorized Europe. And they came in varieties like Ostrogoth, Visigoth, Hottopicgoth... [/QUOTE]

It's a stereotype created by people who got their information wrong, all goths i know are very peaceful

When is voting going to close/when are half the people going to vote? :-/

Voting closes tomorrow, we have 3 complete votes.

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]Voting closes tomorrow, we have 3 complete votes.[/QUOTE]
yeah seems like everyone needs to vote up or alot of good writer's are going to be DQed next round..

(maybe that went without saying :rolleyes: )

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]If you're serious about that then you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]

if course i'm not serious, them dudes are extremely dangerous when you piss them off. But they would randomly start terrorising the place

[QUOTE=DFelon204409]A) I always do my votes last second
B) I'm in charge of closing the thread
C) Chill[/QUOTE]
D) There's always another option
E) All The Above

;)