calling music jazz jus because "OOOO its soooo complex" is not something to do

jazz doesnt mean complex although compared to most non art music it is

complex is in fact epitomized if by anything, contemporary classical

And the whole tone scale is seen a lot more in Impressionism and other contemporary classical styles than in jazz.

see if I went into r&m and made a thread about metal-ly jazz bands people would get mad

The Dillinger Escape Plan =/= Jazz

From my understanding, the only thing that is "jazzy" about the genre are weird time signatures. This does not constitute jazz.

yea most jazz is actually in 4

ye..

Lye By Mistake - sounds very jazzy to me. I dare calling this band jazzcore...

my favorite jazzcore band is norma jean

they are popular for such songs as this calling, 94 hours, and when the sun sleeps

modern day thrashers seem to be into their jazzy breakdowns

haha as if scales define jazz


oh man there's syncopation, it must be jazzy!

[QUOTE=dinosaurxbrocore;16348090]my favorite jazzcore band is norma jean

they are popular for such songs as this calling, 94 hours, and when the sun sleeps

modern day thrashers seem to be into their jazzy breakdowns[/QUOTE]


lmao

It doesn't really matter if it's Christian or not 'cuz if it's syncopated rhythm then your soul is gonna rot.

[I]When you shake your hip
and it starts to slip
And you shake your soul
and it starts to roll
they call that

fantastic rhythm! [/I]

Louis Armstrong - "If you have to ask what Jazz is, you will never know."

And thats coming from the MAN. Although he didn't consider bebop to be Jazz...

There ya go. Now lets not fight about what Jazz is or isn't. It could be anything!

Jazz is more or less defined by freedom. The American way! Jazz is an escape, a way to get rid of suffering, and a way to express your soul... That is why improv is associated with it. However, there is no certain sound, time signature, style, or instrument that can be identified with Jazz.

louis was too embarrassed to admit that he didnt know what jazz is

[QUOTE=Eliminator;16399190]louis was too embarrassed to admit that he didnt know what jazz is[/QUOTE]


I chuckled here.

im wondering if you mean something like mr. bungle per chance?

[QUOTE=Shadows Rise;10299557]Can anyone tell me what scales bands like Into the Moat and Sleep Terror use in those weird jazz breaks that they do in their songs? Thanks.[/QUOTE]

For Sleep Terror I think they switch to bass.

Please don't tell me that there's actually a sub-genre called Jazzcore. Name a couple of artists, please.

I see that there were a number of bands already mentioned. I'll have to explore some. Especially something with the name of "Shape Of Punk To Come" A play off of the famous Ornette Coleman album.

[QUOTE=Krabsworth;10199921]I cry to hear of my beloved jazz ruined with metal.[/QUOTE]

There have been some really sucessful melding of Jazz concepts with Metal. Three of the most important, in my eyes/ears, are the 'Spiral Architect' album, first and foremost. Picture 'Mahavishnu Orchestra' if it had Jaco Pastorius as Bassist and decided to conjure up Extreme Technical Metal one day. What an unbelievable record that one is. I don't think the musicianship on that album has been touched since. Absolutely love the first 'Aghora' recording and the one and only 'Cynic'. These two are different incarnations of the same, unbelievably talented rhythm section - Sean Malone and Sean Reinert. Two untouchable, monster players. These three recordings are a must for anyone interested in this Jazz/Metal Fusion. Then, ya got pretty much every from Death and Atheist, which was, at least to some degree, influenced by Jazz. But, the first three I mentioned are a really nice balance between both musical philosophies. Now I need to explore some of the names mentioned here.

[i]The Shape of Punk To Come[/i] by Refused isnt really that jazzy, ive never heard something that was called 'jazzcore' but im just going to go ahead and assume the threadstarter is talking about the super technical style of hardcore found on albums like [i]Calculated Infinity[/i] by the Dillinger Escape Plan and on albums by some of the more technical death metal bands a la Cynic and Death (mostly from Sound of Perseverance)

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This is all I can think of when I hear "Jazzcore"


I forgot about Jah Wobble and Mick Karn. They could fit too.

all i can think of is greasy unkempt hair perched on pasty white skin bearing eyes that have not seen butterflies outside or people for years

Alright, I got a band that considers themselves Jazzcore. And they are fluckin amazing. I knew of these guys for a while now, but the term J-core never came to mind. You will hear everything when listening to these guys. They're like a modern day Faith No More. Really brilliant, super inventive stuff. Band's name is 'Bubblemath'. And, like everything else that's a complex musical formula, you definitely won't 'get into' these guys on the first spin. But, listen to the album a few times and you're in love. Second group here is awesome as well. Though, I doubt anyone will be calling them Jazzcore. Has involvement from one of the guys from Tool. Enjoy.


[url]http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=6181709[/url]
[B]Bubblemath[/B]
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[B]Feersum Ennjin[/B]

small town murder

[QUOTE=DFelon204409;16519344]No to both, HARD.[/QUOTE]

Really?...That's no good for you. Means your taste buds are delinquent.

[QUOTE=okay;16478668][i]The Shape of Punk To Come[/i] by Refused isnt really that jazzy)[/QUOTE]

Based on hearing about this title here, I went and got it. Now, I pretty much despise Punk music...but this recording is way brilliant. I think they might have begun a new genre of music with this album. Too bad other Punk bands don't take their cue and stop with the awful, three chord Pop. I think every self-respecting Rock fan should own this disc....And, yeah there was jazzy bits in there. But, then again, they pretty much threw everything into the mix. A least Punk has this one single album to be proud of.

Holy ****, dude. Kill yourself already please.

Listen great jazzcore band Kusudama!! New EP "JazzTV"
http://www.myspace.com/kusudama

Look up the flaming tsunamis. Its actually more skacore though.

Hit up Ahleuchatistas - Of The Body Prone
I guess Nomeansno dips into some jazz(ore in some of the better songs.
Also The Flying Luttenbachers are jazzcore with album Destroy All Music

And you can check out Yoshihiro Otomo's many good albums with the group Altered States.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwj-5byjn4w&feature=related