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Lord Abortion 11-19-2004 05:50 AM

blood brothers

RunAmokRampant 11-19-2004 05:59 AM

Sikth has some pretty unusual time signatures. well it sounds like it anyway

Mardy 11-19-2004 08:06 AM

[QUOTE=Bartender]There's a measure of 1/64 in there too, I think.[/QUOTE]
Actually, thats what he said, 65/64 would be the same as 4/4 and 1/64. Ron Jarzombek is pretty original.

Also, it often depends on the breaks, fx Spastic Ink can play a simple 4/4 but play it in a way that completely throws you off. I have even composed something in 17/16 that [I]doesn't[/I] sound weird.

Anyways,

Meshuggah:
New Millenium Cyanide Christ
I
the interlude in Rational Gaze
...

Spiral Architect:
(Cloud Constructor)
Insect
Spinning
Fountainhead

Metallica:
Master of Puppets :rolleyes:

Dillinger Escape Plan,

Bartender 11-19-2004 08:11 AM

[QUOTE=Mardy]Actually, thats what he said, 65/64 would be the same as 4/4 and 1/64. Ron Jarzombek is pretty original.
[/QUOTE]

Oh, okay.

TTTSNB 11-19-2004 08:14 AM

[QUOTE=ColonelSanderz]Led Zeppelin The Ocean -15/8 I think[/QUOTE]
Nah it's a bar of 4, then a bar of 7/8. Its a fairly common odd time sig. 7/8 and 9/8 are some of the more common odd times.

Det_Nosnip 11-19-2004 09:50 AM

[QUOTE=metal_milita]thats right only to the extent that the bottom number is 4. It gets harder to read or understand when it changes to say an 8 or 16.

but i believe main verse of MOP was written in 4/4 and 13/16.[/QUOTE]

MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:

Edit: although, if you want to write the barlines rather oddly, you could combine the two measures and make it 8+5, 13/8...but it's definetly not a /16 signature at that tempo.

Mardy 11-19-2004 09:54 AM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:[/QUOTE]

:lol:

big 11-19-2004 09:58 AM

i heard that deep purple: highway star goes into 15/8's i dont know if thats hard but it sounds wierd

metal_sandwich 11-19-2004 10:45 AM

Planet X. Virgil Donati (the drummer) plays like 17/32 or 7/16. It really not easy.

denboy 11-19-2004 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=the thing that should never be]Nah it's a bar of 4, then a bar of 7/8. Its a fairly common odd time sig. 7/8 and 9/8 are some of the more common odd times.[/QUOTE]

Well actually 4/4+7/8= 15/8
But, I guess you wouldn't write it like that

YouGottaBeCrazy 11-19-2004 02:23 PM

Well, I doubt they really thought about whether it was 4/4 followed by 7/8, or just 15/8. They are the same thing. Although, it does seem to sound like 2 seperate bars because the 2 parts of the riff don't sound anything alike so there's no sense putting it in the same bar.

bobcat911 11-19-2004 02:30 PM

RUSH - YYZ ...um not sure of the timing but it changes alot and its nuts
Jimmy Swift Band - Two Hands On the Wheel ...11/4 its fun tho!

newWorld 11-19-2004 02:37 PM

[QUOTE=Vaelroth]123

[u]3 3/4[/u]
_ 4


Thats "three and three-fourths over four" yes.[/QUOTE]

That better be a joke. Because it can only be expressed in one fraction, and in this case it would be 15/16.

YouGottaBeCrazy 11-19-2004 02:53 PM

Actually, most of Yyz is in 4/4.

justinw 11-19-2004 03:11 PM

Meshuggah - Neurotica, it has 15/16, 19/16, 21/16 and a few other pretty odd time signatures.

Crocto 11-19-2004 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=Malakian Worshipper]mars volta pretty much uses 6/4 or something in most of their songs, and also 15/9 i think or something i dunno[/QUOTE]

yeah but the mars volta suck.

DeathHawk 11-19-2004 03:40 PM

Mars volta use 3/4 almost all the time.

DeathHawk 11-19-2004 03:41 PM

I think a lot of people are confusing time signatures with the PACE of the songs.

4/4 can be reallllyy slow, or shredding fast.

YouGottaBeCrazy 11-19-2004 04:56 PM

You can't have 15/9 time. The 9 isn't possible. It's either 2,4,8,12,16,32. I believe that's it. Tempo is what chooses how fast or slow a song is, not time signature.

halfdeadhippo 11-19-2004 05:24 PM

If memory serves, then Meshuggah's "Rational Gaze" is actually in 4/4. If you listen to it, listen to the cymbals, as they keep a steady beat the whole time. They just play really odd rhythms within 4/4.

justinw 11-19-2004 06:10 PM

[QUOTE=halfdeadhippo]If memory serves, then Meshuggah's "Rational Gaze" is actually in 4/4. If you listen to it, listen to the cymbals, as they keep a steady beat the whole time. They just play really odd rhythms within 4/4.[/QUOTE]

I think lots of the guitar riffs are in 25/16 & 13/8. On alot of their songs, Tomas Haake plays straight 4/4 with his hands and mimics the guitar rythms with his feet. However they do have quite a few songs that are just 4/4 with really strange rythms and phrasing to make it not sound like 4/4.

Kafkastolemyslippers 11-19-2004 06:23 PM

Right, Meshuggah has a polyrhythm thing going with the drums on 4/4 and the guitar riffs in different time signatures, and it works because they eventually add to a multiple of the 4/4 signature.

Kwash2 11-19-2004 07:57 PM

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]i dont get any of this but meshuggah has some pretty wierd rythyms in some of their songs
im pretty sure those are the same things.......

funny thing is i was in jazz band last year and i dont get this stuff, i just played everything by ear basically[/QUOTE]
Nope, actually most Meshuggah is straight 4/4. Dead serious.

The beat just falls in different places.

drumguy89 11-19-2004 08:11 PM

The Ocean switches between 7/8 & 4/4 each measure for a good part of the son

Det_Nosnip 11-19-2004 08:19 PM

[QUOTE=Kwash2]Nope, actually most Meshuggah is straight 4/4. Dead serious.

The beat just falls in different places.[/QUOTE]

Depends upon your perspective and how you view the music. I believe that Messhugah writes the music by writing odd time guitar riffs and having Haake play straight time with his hands. Because the drums are such an instrumental part of defining the beat, the end product basically sounds like heavily syncopated 4/4 time.

Kwash2 11-19-2004 08:50 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Depends upon your perspective and how you view the music. I believe that Messhugah writes the music by writing odd time guitar riffs and having Haake play straight time with his hands. Because the drums are such an instrumental part of defining the beat, the end product basically sounds like heavily syncopated 4/4 time.[/QUOTE]
My point exactly.

demon_LLAMA 11-19-2004 09:27 PM

I'm gonna write a song in THE MOST DIFFICULT TS EVER!!!!!!!

x/y

Four Ton Mantis 11-19-2004 09:30 PM

[QUOTE=moncholo]its not so weird, listen to money, from pink floyd, youŽll get a very fast n complete understanding of 7/4[/QUOTE]
offically Money is in 7/[b]8[/b], although i'd call it 7/4 cause you have to count the beat in half time for 7/8 which seems kind of slow.... then later it switches to 4/4.

metal_milita 11-20-2004 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]MOP? As in Master of Puppets? That's 4/4 and 5/8, no 13/16. :lol:

Edit: although, if you want to write the barlines rather oddly, you could combine the two measures and make it 8+5, 13/8...but it's definetly not a /16 signature at that tempo.[/QUOTE]
5/8 is like 2.5 beats so im guessing you must have more measures than my version.
well i downloaded a guitar pro file that has it in 13/16 and it sounds right. the last slide from (3&5) to (5&7) are 2 SUB-eighthnotes (first note actually a sub-sub-eighthnote, and the last one a dotted SUB-eight-note) . heres what the one measure looks like:
4 beats
-|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|-------------------------------------|
-|-------------------------------------|
4|---------------------5-7----8-7-5-7-|
-|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-0-6-5-3-5--|


3.25 beats
--|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
13|------------------------------|
--|------------------------------|
16|---------------------5-7-5-7-|
--|--0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-3-5-3-5-|

metal_milita 11-20-2004 07:17 PM

if you really want proof, i can snapshot a picture and show you, or if theres a way for me to post a midi file, i can show that too.


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