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Try that, if the file is too big for MX, I have a smaller version.

[QUOTE=cliffburtonrules]It seems that when you smack all religions together the commonality is that there is a higher power, or God.

Therefore, your statement is a little contradictory.

I'm a Catholic myself, and I find it annoying when religion comes up on MX. Nothing against you Eddie, but it's just a little pet peeve of mine.[/QUOTE]

sorry, but not all religions have a god. i dont belive that ther is a god in that kinda way, that one religion is the corect one, but i can be open for that there might be something more than what we know....

[QUOTE=cliffburtonrules]It seems that when you smack all religions together the commonality is that there is a higher power, or God.

Therefore, your statement is a little contradictory.

I'm a Catholic myself, and I find it annoying when religion comes up on MX. Nothing against you Eddie, but it's just a little pet peeve of mine.[/QUOTE]
That's not how Buddhism works.

Why are so many people atheist on here?

I like being a Catholic, but it is hard as **** trying to defend Christianity, because no, there is no proof of any of it. It's based on faith. Which is something people don't seem to get.

File's too large :upset:

[QUOTE=cliffburtonrules]Why are so many people atheist on here?

I like being a Catholic, but it is hard as **** trying to defend Christianity, because no, there is no proof of any of it. It's based on faith. Which is something people don't seem to get.[/QUOTE]
Yet people who ARE religious also tend not to understand a lack of faith. It's a vicious circle all orchestrated through upbringing and personal experience.

I understand why people would have a lack of faith.

I just think that there seems to be a reason for everything and that God has some kind of crazy master plan for us. And people take the "master plan" idea as though we have no control over our life. We do. God gave us free will. It's just how you use it that chooses where you go.

We've been talking abotu the existance of a God in philosophy, and as of right now, there is only 1 good argument for the existance of a God: The Designer Theory.
Basically, it states that everything in the universe is just too perfectly set up to have been random. The human body, look how it's set up with all the internal organs and how everything functions together. And just look at everything else, all the stars and planets and everything, everything is just in such an order that it all works.

That is the only really acceptable argument for a god.

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it always end up at the same in the discussion with a christian "well... youll end up in hell becouse of that.." a god shouldnt hate people becouse they dont follow anyone else, why the hell did we get free will And a brain then? is the earth just a hold up place where we prove our self "worthy" to get to heaven? ill tell you, non of the worlds population would go there today, cause even if you are a christian of hjighest faith, everyone breaks the "judge not less thy been judged yourself" rule...

The thing that has always amazed me is how can it be true after all the contradictions: "God put the dinosaurs there" said the Churhc when we first found skeletons of them, when we have now blatantly proved that it is otherwise, yet these people cliamed to be acting under the influence of God?

[QUOTE=cliffburtonrules]I understand why people would have a lack of faith.

I just think that there seems to be a reason for everything and that God has some kind of crazy master plan for us. And people take the "master plan" idea as though we have no control over our life. We do. God gave us free will. It's just how you use it that chooses where you go.[/QUOTE]
Do you believe that God is all-knowing and all-powerful?


Because, if He is indeed all-knowing, then how can we have free will? If He in fact does know everything, then there is no free will and everything has already been determined.

Rep + for Andrew if it still existed :thumb:

Haha

Thanks!

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If God is all knowing why create the Satan knowing he would fall and create such suffering. Would this not compromise or prove a lack of power. Drawing one of two conclusions, God isn;t what we say he is or he does not care. If we look at how everything works we are merely imposing order on something that is really surrounded by chaos, there is much that we don't understand and many anomolies in the order we have created (black holes anyone? where do they lead?) that we convince ourselves it was created, yet through our lack of understanding we fail to notice that we understand very little in the chaos that is our universe.

And on that note i'm off to bed. Ciao MX and thanks Andrew! :wave:

I met a black hole once. He was pretty nice, and I've kept his address in case I'm ever in his neighborhood again.

[QUOTE=PaulSimonon]Haha

Thanks!

Anyone else want high quality avatars straight outa' Compton?[/QUOTE]


No thanks! *hugs avatar* ....... *gets electrocuted*

oww!

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff]We've been talking abotu the existance of a God in philosophy, and as of right now, there is only 1 good argument for the existance of a God: The Designer Theory.
Basically, it states that everything in the universe is just too perfectly set up to have been random. The human body, look how it's set up with all the internal organs and how everything functions together. And just look at everything else, all the stars and planets and everything, everything is just in such an order that it all works.

That is the only really acceptable argument for a god.[/QUOTE]
That is the most obvious reason for his existence. I think that that is the best made point against Realists about religion.

And it's extremely hard for someone to defend Christianity. I have no chance of winning an arguement against you guys because:
1)it seems I'm the only Christian in the thread right now
2) I dont know enough about my own faith to properly defend it
3) I'm only 14 and haven't lived long enough to even comprehend how much is out there to be learned adn things like that.

When it comes down to it (as a bumper sticker so blatantly put):

"If you're living like there aint no God, you'd better be right."

*is Christian*

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[QUOTE=neal_672]If God is all knowing why create the Satan knowing he would fall and create such suffering. Would this not compromise or prove a lack of power. Drawing one of two conclusions, God isn;t what we say he is or he does not care. If we look at how everything works we are merely imposing order on something that is really surrounded by chaos, there is much that we don't understand and many anomolies in the order we have created (black holes anyone? where do they lead?) that we convince ourselves it was created, yet through our lack of understanding we fail to notice that we understand very little in the chaos that is our universe.

And on that note i'm off to bed. Ciao MX and thanks Andrew! :wave:[/QUOTE]
I think that, as humans, we don't know God personally. We can't truthfully say whether he is all-knowing or not.

It's all a matter of faith, like I said before. No amount of fact can prove the existence of God. Unless he somehow made himself known to us. I believe he is there, watching over us, choosing what is best for us.

*born Jewish, now follows nothing*

And I end my arguement on that note:

It is a matter of faith. Some people have it, some don't.

you should live as you are god, if there is a good, its the complete everything that is...but this leads me to wonder.. where again came this god from? maby were all just the imagination of some guy or girl? maby were all dolls in a bigger thing?

I dont believe in any particular God, Im agnosthic (sp?).

This means: I believe there´s something out there, call it God if you want. It something that balances the "good things" and "bad things", that keeps the earth balanced. This doesnt involve any particular faith in anything, but you know, I have that feeling that there´s something bigger that us in the universe, that we cannot be only a "mistake".

I dont like people that have a very strong faith in people, thats way in some cases I dislike catholics. They just follow some rules and decide whats true and what not. I dont thing catholic religion can carry on this way cause they dont think using condoms is a god idea, or that homosexual thing. You know, in these days, you cant say that crazy things cause comdoms are so useful to prevent VIH in third world countries, and of course, gays are human, not any monsters with an illness, like the Pope said.

I hope the new Pope was more open to the newer ideas, I think we could improve a lot if catholic religion gets used to the new millenium, cause in the end, Jesus was firstly a helper, not a blamer nor a forbidder. If they really want to spread the workds of Jesus, they should take care of helping people, not forbidding things or saying this is ok, this is sin.

About people that dont believe in anything, well, I respect that too, as I respect catholics or any other religion. Im a very science-believer so some of these ideas dont get on well with faiths and that stuff, thats why I think they arent that valid eventhough they guide lots of people.

My two cents.

Ya, the Catholic church is kinda messed up in some places.

And for the homosexual thing, I don't mean to be an extremist because I know gays and they're excellent people, but in any Christian Bible it says man shall not lie with man or something like that.

It's in Leviticus (which is a seriously messed up book after reading some of the things they did back in the old days)

*backs out of debate*

I wonder... in 2005 years from now... will people live after Lord of the rings as the bible maby?

For all we know, the Bible may have started out as just... a book, and then evolved into something more over the years..

[QUOTE=cliffburtonrules]Ya, the Catholic church is kinda messed up in some places.

And for the homosexual thing, I don't mean to be an extremist because I know gays and they're excellent people, but in any Christian Bible it says man shall not lie with man or something like that.

It's in Leviticus (which is a seriously messed up book after reading some of the things they did back in the old days)[/QUOTE]

Yeah I get your point but The Bible is just a book, its not real, only literature.

[QUOTE=Eddie-the-Trooper]I wonder... in 2005 years from now... will people live after Lord of the rings as the bible maby?

For all we know, the Bible may have started out as just... a book, and then evolved into something more over the years..[/QUOTE]
No the Bible is a collection of books that people have written about Jesus (The New Testament at least)

*also backs out*

*keeps going*

*falls out of thread*

*falls out of MX*

See ya guys later
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