The A Day in Black and White show got cancelled because the venue has been receiving noise complaints :upset:

Speaking of which, SHANE, the Internal Affairs/Stand and Fight/Down to Nothing show also got cancelled. What I said in the IM was that DTN are going to play a backyard show in Diamond Bar that night instead. IM me for the details.

Norma Jean are JC / HC.

Why do people like them? Christianity has no place in hardcore.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]The A Day in Black and White show got cancelled because the venue has been receiving noise complaints :upset:
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Koo's?

New show at The Smell in LA.

ADIBAW/Navies/TRANSISTOR

[QUOTE=tornpictures]Norma Jean are JC / HC.

Why do people like them? Christianity has no place in hardcore.[/QUOTE]

No. I'm actually surprised you would say that, torn.

Hardcore is a place where ANYONE can voice their beliefs or opinions, be it social, political, personal, or even religious. You don't have to agree with it, but they have as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else does. That's the beautiful thing about hardcore. I'm not even remotely Christian, but I support Christian bands the same as I support a straight edge band, a vegan band, a political band, or any other kind of hardcore band.

[QUOTE=tornpictures]Koo's?

New show at The Smell in LA.

ADIBAW/Navies/TRANSISTOR[/QUOTE]

I don't do LA.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]No. I'm actually surprised you would say that, torn.

Hardcore is a place where ANYONE can voice their beliefs or opinions, be it social, political, personal, or even religious. You don't have to agree with it, but they have as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else does. That's the beautiful thing about hardcore. I'm not even remotely Christian, but I support Christian bands the same as I support a straight edge band, a vegan band, a political band, or any other kind of hardcore band.[/QUOTE]

It's hard to explain my feelings on religion in hardcore, or religion in general.

I think religion is evil.
We've dealt with several 'waves' here, first there were the Krishnas. Sounds good huh? Until you read up on the subject. Turns out being a female Krishna isn't too much fun. Go oppression, go!

Then there was Christianity.
Christianity has nothing, NOTHING to do with hardcore.
Hardcore is a counter culture. What's the point in being a counter culture if you're just a mirror of the dominant culture?

Calling your band a 'straight-edge band' or a 'vegan band' or whatever seems silly to me.
I think your beliefs should play a role in what you do musically, artistically, etc. but not so much that you can't think of anything else, know what I mean? This is pretty difficult to word, but I have very strong feelings about this.

Religion (or beliefs) and music should be separate things, but using your music to spread whatever you think is right is a good thing.
Vegan and Youth Crew bands often force their opinion on others. They're sort of dictatorial. That's a bad thing.

I don't really feel like discussing this any further, but you should definitely feel free too. I'll re-join this discussion later on.

I'm pretty tired so excuse the incoherence.

I try and have a high tolerance for militant bands, as I do feel that it's a place where anyone can voice their beliefs, no matter how extreme, so long as someone with an opposing view is willing to voice theirs if they feel so. Sometimes it does go a bit far though. For example, there's a really popular band out here called Seven Generations. They're so militant and Vegan they could give EC a run for their money. At their shows they preach HARD against corporate America, eating meat, and selling out hardcore, etc. Now, I'm all for that, but when they say sh[font=verdana]i[/font]t like "All cops are fu[font=verdana]c[/font]king pigs that deserve to be shot on fuc[font=verdana]k[/font]ing sight", that goes way too far and is obviously made out of ignorance and lack of taste and judgement. My parents are cops and s[font=verdana]h[/font]it like that hits home. So, I've decided not to support Seven Generations. I will never buy merch from them, I will not promote them, and if they are playing a show that I'm at, I will not watch them. This is something that I do very rarely. I'm not even opposing them or putting them down, I'm just choosing not to lend my support.

As for the Christian thing again, I can see what you're saying. However, I think it's evolved beyond being simply a counter-culture. Sure, it still exists in many factions but lyrical content is so across the board now that it's more of a sub-culture than anything. I don't exactly see singing about Christianity as "mirroring" the mainstream culture. I can see where you're coming from if their lyrics are simply blind gospel, that's about as BS as the Westernized Church. However, if a band focuses more on the moral aspects and empowerment of Christianity, then I fail to see how that is any different from straight-edge or youth crew, which I also see nothing wrong with.

To me, hardcore is about emotion and it is about passion. I tried metal for a while and even though I still listen to bands like Nevermore, Cryptopsy, stuff like that, it never really clicked with me. What attracted me to hardcore was the honesty, the sincerity, and the passion that you simply do not find in other forms of music. If a band wants to sing about how much they love Jesus, well then fine. At least they're passionate about something, and in a world where everything seems to be becoming more and more robotic and soulless, that's being a counter-culture if you ask me. So long as the band is truly passionate about what they're saying and not just saying it to sell more records to Facedown Recs' groupies.

Besides, some of the most underrated hardcore bands were Christian. Case in point: The Crucified, Strongarm, Overcome, etc.

Edgers have also lost sight of their 'goals.'

Staying young by not taking drugs was the objective. Now it's being cool, etc.

People don't recognize Christianity as the threat that it is. Religion is holding people back all over the world.

Most of my lyrical inspiration comes from religion. I write about it a lot and usually the best/emotional songs that I write, I've had religion in mind. Why should I not write about something I feel so strongly about?

Minor Threat - Filler, that's a basic idea of my beliefs on religion.

Straight edge people also forget that you don't have to be vegitarian/vegan to be edge.....

[url]http://www.acommonground.de/_download/In_these_days.mp3[/url]
Check this band out if you're into that melodic hardcore/punk sound, it's pretty good.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Minor Threat - Filler, that's a basic idea of my beliefs on religion.[/QUOTE]
What happened to you?
You're not the same
There's something in your head
Made a violent change
It's in your head
Filler

You call it religion
You're full of ****

Was she really worth it?
She cost you your life
You'll never leave her side
She's gonna be your wife

You call it romance
You're full of ****

Your brain is clay
What's going on?
You picked up a bible
And now you're gone

You call it religion
You're full of ****

Filler


[B]Im down with that[/B]

[QUOTE=victimofreality]My brothers apartment in Portland almost costs that much.[/QUOTE]You're brother got ripped off. Why anyone would pay that money to live in such a crappy state/city is beyond me.

From high up on yer crucifix
You preach about my triple 6
You spit about my this and that
And yank away yer welcome mat
With a coupon jesus christ will save
So don't you christians misbehave
'cuz santa makes the list himself
And he's rotting on the warehouse shelf

And all the boys in the straight-edge scene
are in the basement huffing gasoline
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!
And when the laws of God just make ya pissed
You better become an atheist
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!

When the greed of man is not appeased
All will rot sick and diseased
Once again the fallen towers
The Tortured death of every hour
And at the toll of the final bell
You lead the righteous down to hell
When all the world is dead by dawn
All I ask is bring me along!

And all the boys in the straight-edge scene
are in the basement huffing gasoline
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!
And when the laws of God just make ya pissed
You better become an atheist
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!

Nuclear Apox spells your doom
like the t.v. in yer living room
each bomb kills a million dead
it melts your skin and implodes yer head
And now you get yer judgement day
You think you'll float up then away
But yer guilty just like everyone
You turn to ash when the burning's done

And all the boys in the straight-edge scene
are in the basement huffing gasoline
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!
And when the laws of God just make ya pissed
You better become an atheist
Dead, dead, dead, dead
Yer god is dead to me!

There's a hunger within you
a tapeworm deep inside
or maybe it's just cancer
the doctors can't decide
but yer stomach keeps on growing
as yer body wastes away
and yer getting ill & weaker
every single ****ing day

we are alone
we are alone

/\/\/\
Better than Filler.

Minor Threat>LOC

F'uck both bands. Just post Deicide lyrics to get your point across.

Less Deicide, More Minor Threat

Stryker

turning point rule

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=314550[/url]

Shane got pwned.

Haha what did that dumbass do now?

He finally beat the system, but was shot down by joshmay. He's a martyr.

Haha I should extend the ban just to piss him off. It'd be so entertaining.

EDIT: 12,000 posts son!

He's already gone two weeks. What's another two?

I don't get it?

Oh I see, that's lame that you get banned for that.

It was some dumb thing in the pit.

joshmay is on a banning spree.

Ut oh.