I personally don't see anything wrong with religion on a personal level. It's not about the proof that God exists, it's about the faith that someone is there, and even if he's not, it's sort of like a placebo. If you really believe, chances are good you'll feel better about yourself and do better.

[QUOTE=yourstruly;13958500]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?[/QUOTE]

When I apply for a job at a place that requires I shave my beard, I can tell them, "I'm Jewish. I can't shave my beard because it's against my beliefs." Then I can keep my face monster and not worry about it.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool]Sort of like the Vatican.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much.

[QUOTE=yourstruly]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?. Christians are rediculous, living in fear of something that doesn't exist and spending most of their sundays worshipping a being that can be compared to Santa or the easter bunny. I could say God is an asshole, and I'd like to tie him to a chair and **** his sister in front of him and my life will remain the same. I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/QUOTE]

Stupidist comment itt, period.
How can you prove that there is in fact no God?
Thats right.
You cant.
You know that 'most of their sundays', that equates to one hour at mass for the majority of christians/catholics.
And you know that set of rules to be a good person or keep yourself/others in control? It's very alike to the law bro.

Well done, you have successfully proven yourself to be the stupidist, most hypocritical pper. Congratulations.

dude he's been the dumbest pper for as long as i can remember

[quote=yourstruly]I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/quote]

lol

I dont buy the whole metaphorical thing at all. The stories were always intended by its authors to be absolute fact, were re-written/interpreted by the Roman and Vatican Church as absolute fact. Its only recently that moderate Christians have realised how unbelievable pretty much all of the old testament is and gone for the metaphorical angle, when it just doesnt work.

For example Jesus came to earth to cleanse us of our sins because of Adam and Eve. Of course any normal person can tell you Adam and Eve never happened so i dont really think its feasable that the son of God came to earth and was nailed to a cross and tortured to death all for some metaphorical story about sin.

Elim:
Pretty much

lunch:
Suit yourself man. Just don't go hating for beliefs like the PP resident dick head up there did.

Religion can have good or bad influences of people. eg. Muslim Extremist's... Or the nice lady who goes to Sunday Church and is always friendly and polite.

It depends person to person. I agree with the 10 commandments. The world would be a better place if people followed them.

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So the world would be a better place if people were mudered for working on a sunday, cause is pretty much what it says.

[quote]
lunch:
Suit yourself man. Just don't go hating for beliefs like the PP resident dick head up there did.[/quote]

Its cool, i can just go to the Politics and News forum where being a dick towards religion is applauded :D

Yeah man, that forum is bad :(

haha its great once you realise how to post there.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13959128]So the world would be a better place if people were mudered for working on a sunday, cause is pretty much what it says.



Its cool, i can just go to the Politics and News forum where being a dick towards religion is applauded :D[/QUOTE]

LOL it doesnt say you get murdered.

Im not religious. But ino thats not what it says.

I believe the line is "keep the sabbath holy", which has always been interpreted by Jews and early/medieval christians as not working, cooking, cleaning or doing anything except going to the synagogue/church etc.. on the sabbath.

The Christian sabbath day is a sunday, therefore all Christians who work on a sunday are breaking one of the ten commandments, the punishment for which is "Utter and complete destruction"

It seems pretty simple to me.

Ironically the classic candidate for working on a Sunday is the vicar himself.

It also says you will be stoned to death for starting a fire on a sunday :) I cant remember if i've ever done that yet.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13959233]I believe the line is "keep the sabbath holy", which has always been interpreted by Jews and early/medieval christians as not working, cooking, cleaning or doing anything except going to the synagogue/church etc.. on the sabbath.

The Christian sabbath day is a sunday, therefore all Christians who work on a sunday are breaking one of the ten commandments, the punishment for which is "Utter and complete destruction"

It seems pretty simple to me.

Ironically the classic candidate for working on a Sunday is the vicar himself.

It also says you will be stoned to death for starting a fire on a sunday :) I cant remember if i've ever done that yet.[/QUOTE]
I can back the first part. You go to hell for not keeping the sabbath day holy. Though you can still seek redemtion and you won't go to hell. The second part I've never heard of.

I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13959719]I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.[/QUOTE]

Me either, I believe if you follow the basic guidlines of the bible there's nothing wrong at all with it.

I just choose not to, as I don't want to base my beliefs on lies, so instead I basically go by buddism, though not quite. I believe in no higher power, but I'll respect anyone at all about their beliefs, so long as they don't shove them down my throat.

[QUOTE=yourstruly;13958500]Religion is a waste of time, what the hell do you gain by being religious?. Christians are rediculous, living in fear of something that doesn't exist and spending most of their sundays worshipping a being that can be compared to Santa or the easter bunny. I could say God is an spatula, and I'd like to tie him to a chair and f[I]u[/I]ck his sister in front of him and my life will remain the same. I think you're weak if you have to rely on a set of rules to keep yourself in control or be a good person, all it takes is common sense.[/QUOTE]

You're an idiot. Don't post anymore.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13959719]I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.[/QUOTE]

New testament isnt so bad although its built on the premise that jesus was the son of god which i dont accept, but the old testament has an awful morality to it and pretty much centres on God smoting everyone who slightly displeases him.

Also people dont need a book to be a good person, human morality has scarcely improve from the pagan days through the medieval times so it doesnt seem like anything Jesus said has really made much of a difference.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13960675]New testament isnt so bad although its built on the premise that jesus was the son of god which i dont accept, but the old testament has an awful morality to it and pretty much centres on God smoting everyone who slightly displeases him.[/QUOTE]

Umm..No it doesn't?

Have you ever actually read the bible?

I questioned my belief in god a while back, and decided that before I did anything, I was going to make my own decision, not let what others say influence me. So I went and read the bible to see for myself what was truth and what wasn't. It was actually a very good read, and I really feel after reading it I can safely state my opinion, knowing I can back it up with what I've learned myself, not just from someone else.

God doesn't kill everyone who displeases him at all. It just shows a much darker side to god than what most people.

[B]For ANYONE who's intrested in this at all, I'd really like you all to read "The Last Templar"..And though it's just another Da Vinci Code kinda' book, it is, in my opinion, much better. I liked it mostly not because of the fact it had to do with The Knight's Templar, but more so that it gives you a good view of the bible and the events surrounding the time of it's creation.[/B]

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky]Also people dont need a book to be a good person, human morality has scarcely improve from the pagan days through the medieval times so it doesnt seem like anything Jesus said has really made much of a difference.[/QUOTE]
Again I disagree with you. What Jesus said has made a HUGE difference in the world today. Yes alot of people do many things wrong in the name of god (I.e. "Holy" wars) but so many people do right in the name of god also. I know this family, that's deeply religious, and though I believe all they base their lives on is false, I know that because of this false belief they've done some great things. You may not need god to do right, but most people find an empty hole in them without the belief in a higher power.

If today, we suddenly had the proof that everything the bible is about is false, and that Jesus (Actually know as Jeshua/Joshua/etc. [He wasn't actually named "Jesus Christ" until a while after his death]) would you show it to the world? Destroy the lives of thousands of people? Bring upon pain to every true Christian in the world? I know I wouldn't. I don't agree with it, and I believe it's all been a huge lie, based upon a man who tried to get everyone to get along. Thousands of people have spun more into the tale of Jesus and the truth is now so lost that there's no chance of ever really knowing the truth anymore. But I know that if I had the evidence to tear down Christianity and show them the truth, that they worship a mere man, who did nothing more than what many people do today, I wouldn't do it. Millions of people need the comfort of feeling a higher presence, and if it must be done by a distorted truth, then that is fine with me.


/Massive post.

Of course ive read the bible, i went to a catholic school. But i havent believed it since i was 10 or around then anyway.

Ive read the Templar Revalations and Holy Blood and Holy Grail. Their too much of a conspiracy for me and seen as i am in no doubt that Jesus was not the son of God im not really bothered whether or not he had a family, a wife or if he existed at all.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13960727]Of course ive read the bible, i went to a catholic school. But i havent believed it since i was 10 or around then anyway.

Ive read the Templar Revalations and Holy Blood and Holy Grail. Their too much of a conspiracy for me and seen as i am in no doubt that Jesus was not the son of God im not really bothered whether or not he had a family, a wife or if he existed at all.[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about a different book. This doesn't discuss that (Well it does, but that's very brief and not at all the focus of the book).

Jesus was a political figure, not the son of god, he had a family, a wife, kids. He had a brother, named James. But of course, this can't really be proven, or at least few accept it as fact, as it goes against what the bible says.

so how about blink 182

F[I]uc[/I]k Blink..This discuss is 1000x better.

no it's not

it's actually really boring and doesn't belong in the feel good rebellion!

Fine..Everyone download some Hi My Name Is Mark podcasts.

I'm getting a kick outa' listening to Episode #27 right now.

[QUOTE=Lightning Strikes Twice;13960697]
Again I disagree with you. What Jesus said has made a HUGE difference in the world today. Yes alot of people do many things wrong in the name of god (I.e. "Holy" wars) but so many people do right in the name of god also. I know this family, that's deeply religious, and though I believe all they base their lives on is false, I know that because of this false belief they've done some great things. You may not need god to do right, but most people find an empty hole in them without the belief in a higher power.[/quote]

The development in human morality in a positive manner is not at all in my opinion related to God. How can it be that religious fevor has decreased from the middle ages yet morality has improved but that the improvement in morality is down to religion. If that weas so then the dark ages would of been the kindest and more moral in history which of course the opposite was true.

Britain, Sweden, Denmark, Holland are the most accpeting and liberal countries in the world yet only 30% of British people even believe in a God and less than 5% of people attend church. The reason were are more moral and we live with better living conditions than ever before in because of an improvement in technology has made life less harsh so people have less concerns, so dont need scapegoats and are generally more educated. If you look at the worst countries in the world for human rights, e.g. Iran, Saudi Arabia, China etc.. these countries except for the stalinist ones destroy human rights due to religious justification. Yes in a Christian country we dont do this as bad anymore but that is only after there has been a decline in religious persuation, 500 years ago when we were as firmly under the grip as they are now we used to treat women like s'hit and slaughter heretics and non believers.

It might give people a lot of comfort. But id sure as hell be prepared to upset people in exchange for mos tof the world from ignorance so they can embrace a liberal and accepting way of thinking.

[quote]
If today, we suddenly had the proof that everything the bible is about is false, and that Jesus (Actually know as Jeshua/Joshua/etc. [He wasn't actually named "Jesus Christ" until a while after his death]) would you show it to the world? Destroy the lives of thousands of people? Bring upon pain to every true Christian in the world? I know I wouldn't. I don't agree with it, and I believe it's all been a huge lie, based upon a man who tried to get everyone to get along. Thousands of people have spun more into the tale of Jesus and the truth is now so lost that there's no chance of ever really knowing the truth anymore. But I know that if I had the evidence to tear down Christianity and show them the truth, that they worship a mere man, who did nothing more than what many people do today, I wouldn't do it. Millions of people need the comfort of feeling a higher presence, and if it must be done by a distorted truth, then that is fine with me.


/Massive post.[/QUOTE]

People got over the non existence of Thor, Wotan, Zeus, Zoroathrianism and every other religion that has ever existed, they can get over the none existence of Yahweh too. Modern religions' probably wont last the next 1000 or so years and im sure theyll be replaced by Scientology or some other rubbish.

People can be lied to all they want, thats basically what govenrment does but when it has a negative effect is should be stopped, as is the same with government.

You don't understand that with the advances we have today, any sort of happening could completely upset the equillibrium of everything we have. If we proved Christianity was wrong in today's age, there's a good chance America would fall..As soon as the U.S.A is done, the rest of the world is, as sad as it sounds.

haha what??

i dont see why American would collapse and i dont see why the rest of the world would either.

Because a good portion of American's are Christian. Or at least the main portion of the upper half of America's population.

When people find out everything they lived by, and everything their parents, family and friends lived by, is completely false, they kill themselves, give up on life and just go through it, or choose not to believe it, no matter how much evidence is put there.

Your telling me that wouldn't cause America's economy to collapse?

well all of those bible stores will go out of business

no more jesus figurines :(

[QUOTE=Lightning Strikes Twice;13961446]Because a good portion of American's are Christian. Or at least the main portion of the upper half of America's population.

When people find out everything they lived by, and everything their parents, family and friends lived by, is completely false, they kill themselves, give up on life and just go through it, or choose not to believe it, no matter how much evidence is put there.

Your telling me that wouldn't cause America's economy to collapse?[/QUOTE]

What, thats not in the least bit true. People would find it liberating, its not like everyone would accept my proof straight away anyway, it would gradually be phased in like evolution has been.

My mother recently accepted that God was not real and that Christianity was a lie but she doesnt seem to have the urge to kill herself. People would adapt, the majority of people are way too self centred to kill themselves anyway, within 50 years everyone would be over it.

Did Ex-Nazi's kill themselves when (if they ever actually did) realise that Jews were actually a human species and that the Aryan's were not the ultimate race, no they pretty quickly got over it for the most part and moved on. Yet Nazism was followed as staunchly as any religion.

[QUOTE=lunchforthesky;13961485]What, thats not in the least bit true. People would find it liberating, its not like everyone would accept my proof straight away anyway, it would gradually be phased in like evolution has been.

My mother recently accepted that God was not real and that Christianity was a lie but she doesnt seem to have the urge to kill herself. People would adapt, the majority of people are way too self centred to kill themselves anyway, within 50 years everyone would be over it.

Did Ex-Nazi's kill themselves when (if they ever actually did) realise that Jews were actually a human species and that the Aryan's were not the ultimate race, no they pretty quickly got over it for the most part and moved on. Yet Nazism was followed as staunchly as any religion.[/QUOTE]

Alright.

Relegions great until people start taking it too seriously, ie: Crazy *** Muslims who kill themselves for thier 'beliefs'. But until then it's great.
Any Religion really just teaches good living. Don't kill, Don't lie etc. etc. Which is great, but as soon as people start devoting themselves entirely to a church I think it's going to far, but that's just my opinion.
I just stay fully away from all Religions and live the way [I]I[/I] think I should live, not how some God(s) says I should.

Anyways, to all the people who got the Plus 44 album, what colour did you get?
I got the green one, but I wanted blue. It was a present.

If you had proof that any religion was all BS nobody would believe you. Even if they did, they probably wouldnt change.

LOL at ignorant people dissing religion and using Muslims as their examples of bad religion.

[QUOTE]I personally don't see anything wrong with religion on a personal level. It's not about the proof that God exists, it's about the faith that someone is there, and even if he's not, it's sort of like a placebo. If you really believe, chances are good you'll feel better about yourself and do better.[/QUOTE]

I pretty much agree with everything youve said in this so far.

[quote]I just stay fully away from all Religions and live the way I think I should live, not how some God(s) says I should.[/quote]

Most religion tells you things you should probably try to follow anyways, just it gives you comfort that theres something bigger than all of us looking down on you.

I dont really believe religion has deeply affected the morals of people. You dont need to be raised under a religion to follow the same set of ideas and moral code. Wars have been started with and without religion involved, and many selfless deeds have been done with and without religion.

If a person gives some homeless person a dollar, although he might be christian, it doesnt mean he had to say 'I SHALL DO RIGHT BY MY GOD AND BESTOW TO THEE A DOLLAR!', maybe he just happened to be the naturally altruistic type. Nice religious people arent necessarily nice just because of their religious beliefs.

[QUOTE=cobert]If a person gives some homeless person a dollar, although he might be christian, it doesnt mean he had to say 'I SHALL DO RIGHT BY MY GOD AND BESTOW TO THEE A DOLLAR!', maybe he just happened to be the naturally altruistic type. Nice religious people arent necessarily nice just because of their religious beliefs.[/QUOTE]

I'm a christian, but I'm going to have to admit, most religious people, when it all comes down to it, are jerks anyways because they don't know what they're doing and they're too strict too fast and it only pushes people away...if somehow, by some means someone were to disprove christianity, I can safely say, I wouldn't abandon it...I just like being a christian, it's comforting and it just helps me be happier, I'm not quite sure how, but that's just the way it goes, I love the idea of God and everlasting life...call me a moron, that's just the way things go

[QUOTE=poo-poo-pee-pee]Anyways, to all the people who got the Plus 44 album, what colour did you get?
I got the green one, but I wanted blue. It was a present.[/QUOTE]

I got blue...but I didn't care which color I got...just got one

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13959719]I just don't see what's so bad about following the guidelines the bible lays out. The whole book is about being a good person, I don't see a problem with that.[/QUOTE]


agreed.

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[QUOTE=cobert;13963656] If a person gives some homeless person a dollar, although he might be christian, it doesnt mean he had to say 'I SHALL DO RIGHT BY MY GOD AND BESTOW TO THEE A DOLLAR!'[/QUOTE]

Although saying that would make it much more epic.

I am atheist and dont care for religion, if people care for it, fine, just i dont, and no one i do does. And not many people in the uk do care for it really any more.

[QUOTE=MattSharpIsCool;13965929]Although saying that would make it much more epic.[/QUOTE]


urrite

I'm borderline atheist, but I guess I'm an agnostic simply cuz I'm open to ideas. I tend to think that most of the holy books for most religions tend to be simply a collection of nice stories that teach better morals to people, but to be honest I don't really give a damn what people think/believe as long as they ain't killing each other over it. Which... is kinda what's been happening since... well... forever.

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I still haven't bought +44. Might have to, and I'll be getting the pink one if I do.

Well it looks like this thread needs to have a name change.

New Thread Name = Pop-Punk Religion Thread (With Some Blink 182 on the Side)