[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]

Finnaly the fool is gone

Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?

[QUOTE=eug008]Finnaly the fool is gone[/QUOTE]
Fool? The irony burns.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]
A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?
B. What the hell is 'the scene'?
C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"
D. Why is it "no use arguing with us"? because you cant change our minds? is that what you hoped to achieve?
Penispusher

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Why not write it now, while the emotion of this sworded conversation still pierces your heart?[/QUOTE]

Nah, i'm not that good at poety to be honest. I'll let you field that one :thumb:

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]A. How the hell do you know your're better than me?[/QUOTE]
Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]B. What the hell is 'the scene'?[/QUOTE]
Popular music scene.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]C. You know we bring up good points otherwise you wouldn't of bought up that petty and unrelated point about you being "Better than me"[/QUOTE]
Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.[/QUOTE]


Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Law of averages says I most likely right. Espcially since the majority of this board consists of loser musicians playing in garages, and I am a very active musician who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.

Feel free to correct me on this one.


Popular music scene.


Your heads too far up your arse to talk logic.[/QUOTE]
My heads too far up my own arse?? Coming from the one that bought up a completely moot point about his own musicianship when were talking about the muscianship of a band.

Yes, and you probably do know more about the POPULAR music scene, but incase you havn't noticed...we are discussing prog and dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular.

What music do you play Wizard Of Oz

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Do you feel like a big man, lying to people over the internet?[/QUOTE]
It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It's not lies, quite a few respected posters have seen my gigs live or atleast screencaps.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough, its just that when people make claims such as that (especially over the internet), They really should put forward some sort of evidence.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]respected posters[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol:

[quote=The Wizard of Oz]who has/is played/playing with big name musicians infront of over 5 million people already this year alone.
[/quote] And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]dream theater...who coincidently aren't that popular.[/quote] Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?

[QUOTE=Liberi]And he actually has. He played in a concert dedicated to/supporting the Beaconsfield mine collapse in Tasmania. Aired around Australia on national TV in the primetime morning slot.

Who decides what is and what isn't popular?

Is something popular because people say it is popular?

Or is something popular because it is popular, and people just confirm this?[/QUOTE]

I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.

I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]
I'm talking popular in a conventional sense...not as like a genre[/quote] As am I.

[quote=inassociationwithdeanlearner]I'm just going on how many people like them/have heard of them
Which going on what i've heard around my town, isn't that many.
[/quote] Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.[/QUOTE]
You know.. Different forms of emotional expressions.

Just cause you don't think so, doesn't mean it isn't there.

[QUOTE=Liberi]As am I.

Ah, so for a band to be popular you proclaim that a certain number of listens or likes must be reached. However enjoyment of a band and having heard of a band are not the same. Obviously, having heard of a band does not denote that the listener will have liked them. So please, is the popularity of a band determined by their likes, or by their listens? Or perhaps popularity is determined by a ratio of likes over listens, is this the truth? Yet I cannot forsee this as the true determining factor, as that would make my music the most popular on earth with a 1:1 ratio.[/QUOTE]
Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]Good point, but we're kinda getting sidetracked by defining popularity when the original arguement was 'can emotion and complexity co-exist in music?'[/QUOTE]

Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.

Like in the DT song 'Panic attack'.[/QUOTE]
You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well

[quote=evilbadger]Emotion sometimes needs a bit of complexity in order to convey it correcty. Such as anger or frustration.[/quote] For the most part I find frustration and anger unattractive in music though. If I want to zone out and not focus on the music, then I'm not opposed to angry or frustrated music. But generally, I cannot see how ugliness and anger could attract somebody.

[quote=inassosiciationwithdeanteacher] You're right.

I'm sure that emotion and complexity can co-exist.
The music of panic attack conveys the emotions presented in that song really well[/quote] I have no doubt that it can. I do doubt that Dream Theater do it adequately, with the exception of a few songs.

[QUOTE=ghettoeddo]ehh....rip-off or not...DT > TOOL
/end argument :smoke:

[/QUOTE]

I wholeheartedly disagree. I like DT, though. Lots of good stuff from them. Can't say I really liked Octavarium too much, though.

Most tracks on that CD were quite good

Dude, that CD sucked.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]
Even if that is true, there are plenty of musicians far more successful and well respected than you who are big Dream Theater fans. And how does that make you're opinion any more valuable?

[QUOTE=eug008]Most tracks on that CD were quite good[/QUOTE]

The only track I could stand was the title track and even some of that I thought was poor.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Even if that is true, there are plenty of musicians far more successful and well respected than you who are big Dream Theater fans. And how does that make you're opinion any more valuable?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but most muso's and listeners agree with me.

Wow I missed a lot.

[QUOTE=eug008]Most tracks on that CD were quite good[/QUOTE]
I agree with you, but that CD is not as good as IW and ToT.

It's better than ToT.
ToT is full of wank and is basically heavy songs, minus Vacant of course. Octavarium has many different styles on it and each song sounds different to the last which is one of the reasons why I love it.

It do has different styles on it, but I like more ToT than Octavarium. I agree that Octavarium is a great song, it is much better than A Change of Seasons.