trial of tears is really great.

i also love budokan hollow years and peruvian skies for sure.

[QUOTE=ghettoeddo]trial of tears is really great.

i also love budokan hollow years and peruvian skies for sure.[/QUOTE]
I love the little 'Have a cigar' bit in peruvian skies on 'OIALT' it links in and out seamlessly.

I finally found out what those random metal things on the floor near petrucci are, apparently they are just glorified foot-rests for when he has to play a difficult passage:p

yea..haha
he keeps putting his foot on it.

i got his 6-string sig today :] the dark red sunburst or whatever...
a bit pricey, but i was short on cash and the guy even threw in the piezo switchbox and some cables as part of the deal so i got more for my $ :]

[QUOTE=ghettoeddo]yea..haha
he keeps putting his foot on it.

i got his 6-string sig today :] the dark red sunburst or whatever...
a bit pricey, but i was short on cash and the guy even threw in the piezo switchbox and some cables as part of the deal so i got more for my $ :][/QUOTE]
Yeah, loads of people were speculating that it was like a monitor or a speaker or something like that or something to do with sound quality and it turns out its just a foot-rest:lol:

Wow, awesome++:D How much did that set you back? pics?

I really want myungs six string fretless he plays on Through her eyes on scenes from new york...But that must cost a bomb and i'm only working part time

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]I think i can beat that unfortunatly:(

Someone once tried to tell me that blink182 were better than DT
His reasoning was "DT is all liek twinkly music mate"[/QUOTE]

"Twinkly Music"

:lol:

[QUOTE=eug008]"Twinkly Music"

:lol:[/QUOTE]
Tell me about it:confused:
Was a bluddy emo as well, i refused to talk to him for the rest of the night after that.

Hahaha I remember that! And then you threw that rock he found, with the blink182 lyrics on, into the sea. He cried for like...an hour.

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Hahaha I remember that! And then you threw that rock he found, with the blink182 lyrics on, into the sea. He cried for like...an hour.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, then he tried to make a DT stone to "prove" they were sellouts, then he went and spelt it wrong funny stuff:lol:

DT are unimaginative, uncreative and unexciting. There music is some of the boringest ever composed.

Prog: boring and unimaginative?!!!!

How is that possible? Are you sure it wasn't an indy band you were listening to? Called...lametheater or something?

[QUOTE=evilbadger]Prog: boring and unimaginative?!!!![/QUOTE]
The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]DT are unimaginative, uncreative and unexciting. There music is some of the boringest ever composed.[/QUOTE]
:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man!

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]The contrasts in prog are very trite. Most prog is also too disjointed and lacks a strong recurring theme to hold any interest the music. Sure it's hard to play, but why would anyone want to?[/QUOTE]
pfft, DT used recurring themes throughout SFAM and SDOIT.

As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]:lol::lol::lol::lol:
Good one man![/QUOTE]
I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]As for being disjointed, thats what i find appealing about it.
And surely the fact that it doesn't repeat itself alot only goes to make it MORE interesting...[/QUOTE]



I totally agree, I get tired of linear stuff, i mean

Intro
Verse
chorus
verse2
chorus
chorus

Gets a little tiring.

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/QUOTE]


How about 'Take away my pain' or even 'change of seasons'? A lot of love and emotion put into those.

[QUOTE=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/QUOTE]
Lots of people have said this to me...
There is so much emotion and feeling in alot of dream theater's music, just because it is complex doesn't mean that their is no emotion in it.

If you dont believe me, try 'Take away my pain' 'The silent man' 'Hollow years' 'dont look past me' 'honor thy father' and definately 'space dye vest'

Just to mention a few, i could go on for ages.

Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.

No comeback, eh?

Fake emotion..... bull what DT songs you even heard?

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Those songs reek of fake emotion.

The most beautiful moment in my life was having the fortune of hearing a 'mentally handicapped' teenager singing Moving Pictures No. 1 Hit "What about me?" after being made fun of by a bunch of girls. He had no techinqual rythms. He had no 3 minute guitar solos. He didn't even have the right tune. But what he did have was genuine emotion, and that's something Dream Theater will never have.[/QUOTE]
Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute

[QUOTE=inassociationwithdeanlearner]Indeed 'take away my pain' about the death of JP's father is entirely fake:rolleyes:

I mean, why cant you accept that meaningfull emotive music doesn't have to be simple?? Why cant the two elements of emotion and virtuoso musicianship co-exist?

If i was going to write a song in tribute to someone i would personally want to put alot of work into it and make it really special as a real tribute[/QUOTE]
Overcomposing is the death of emotion.

So emotion isn't complicated?

It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Overcomposing is the death of emotion.[/QUOTE]
Have you even listened to the songs i mentioned? 'Take away my pain' 'the silent man' 'hollow years' are actually quite simple.

Not that i'm saying i agree with your point that overcomposing is the death of emotion, i'm just saying that DT dont always "overcompose" and when they supposedly do, i really dont think that it kills the emotion.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.[/QUOTE]

And you know for a fact that the death of JP's dad isn't 'fresh' in his heart when he plays?

Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]It is so complicated that it cannot be converted into audio form unless it is served while it is fresh in your heart.[/QUOTE]
I think really emotional experiences stay with you if not forever then at least a long time so therefore there is no real reason why you cant take your time composing a piece conveying them.

[quote=plexiglass teh gay]I'm tottally serious. What is music if it has no love? These is no love in DT. DT is masturbation. I'll stick with the music that brings me out and shows me love.[/quote]
Although I disagree with the wording, I pretty much agree with the logic. Beauty is very important to me in music. There may be beauty and emotion in some DT songs, but for the most part it is covered under a large layer of technical feats. I do not dislike their music because it is complicated, but rather because the complexity and technical-ability overpowers the emotion and the beauty.

I don't ardently dislike DT, and some of their songs are very appealing to me. But for the most part, I only listen to them in small portions.

[QUOTE=The Wizard of Oz]Well guys I see it's no use arguing with you. Besides, I'm a better musician and further into the scene than you will ever be.[/QUOTE]


Thankyou for your spiteful and unrelated comments. I will store them in a jar and write a poem about it later.