National Socialism all the way and mitchell royce im checking it now thanks.

Really, it worked well in Germany.

My Grandma told me.

There was very very low levels of crime.
Youth/Teenagers were given free holidays - they never before.
The economy was excellent.

I could go on

[QUOTE=tim_commerfordism]National Socialism all the way[/QUOTE]

:lol: shut up Rich you Nazi :p

[QUOTE=neal_672]No, no it doesn't. It just unites EVERYONE in poverty. Would you be willing to lose lots of your money so as to be equally poor as someone else? Of course not so neither are they. The rich of our society are among the biggest givers to charity anyway giving millions a year, you can't ask for much more than that.[/QUOTE]
but the rich still keep enough to keep themselves rich
its not how much you give - its what percentage it is of the stuff you own that you give

[QUOTE=neal_672]:amaze:[/QUOTE]
acoording to wikipedia - one third of his ashes were scattered in a buddhist temple in new york - another third in the wishkah river in washington state - and another third to courtney love

Here it is again.

National Socialism was nothing more than a reaction towards Germany loosing WWI. It combined the radical and at the time very "hip" concept of Socialism with the knee-jerk national pride of Germans having to accept the War Guilt due to the Versaille Treaty and having Germany's economic resources drastically reduced.
Now, my reaction might be a little strong because I am a German and know what National Socialism resulted in. There is nothing wrong with being individually proud of one's heritage. It is absolutly insane and pointless to build a form of government around nationalism, though. Why on earth do you need to have your pride instilled through the government? I personally believe that pride should come from personal achievement. Why does one need to be proud of one's heritage?
No sane society is built on the concept of National Socialism. It will never lead to anything good, much like Communism only ever works theoretically. It will lead to hate and a horrible form of autocracy(because the people could never choose to not be a nationalist).
National Socialism is a belief form that has long ago become dated. It is completly irrelevant in the world that we live in now and cannot contribute in any way to making this world a better world to live in.
Yes, I believe in freedom of choice and a person's individual right to believe whatever (s)he wants to. National Socialism, though, is a choice that shouldn't even exist anymore.

I find it really difficult to believe anyone can think Communism is something that can realistically work as a ruling theory, it's a theory nothing more, nobody can put it into pracrtice without it falling into chaos and anarchy. It's a redundant politic practiced by few and successfully practiced by nobody.

mmmm....

i dunno what you all complain about, i think y'all have it pretty good...

[QUOTE=jaco jr]but the rich still keep enough to keep themselves rich
its not how much you give - its what percentage it is of the stuff you own that you give[/QUOTE]
I'm beginning to think you don't even understand what communism is. EQUALITY if the rich stay rich that's not equality, everyone would have to be rich or everyone would have to be poor there is no leeway, EVERYONE would have a say in EVERYTHING as (in theory) there is no ruling body; even though basically every communist state ever has had a dictator or an unelected, permanent government...

[QUOTE=neal_672]I find it really difficult to believe anyone can think Communism is something that can realistically work as a ruling theory, it's a theory nothing more, nobody can put it into pracrtice without it falling into chaos and anarchy. It's a redundant politic practiced by few and successfully practiced by nobody.[/QUOTE]
true communsim is impossible as i have said - but the chinese have a working system based closely on communism - and china is the fastest growing economy in the world - in shipping they make $10bn/month profit trading with the USA - thats just shipping

[QUOTE=Mitchell Royce]Versaille Treaty[/QUOTE]


Treaty of Versaille.


Germany got screwed over with that treaty.

[QUOTE=neal_672]I'm beginning to think you don't even understand what communism is. EQUALITY if the rich stay rich that's not equality, everyone would have to be rich or everyone would have to be poor there is no leeway, EVERYONE would have a say in EVERYTHING as (in theory) there is no ruling body; even though basically every communist state ever has had a dictator or an unelected, permanent government...[/QUOTE]
im not saying thats communism - im saying thats how it is now and how it should be changed - to a version of communism - everyone works for the state who looks after them - the state is run by a democratically elected government elected every 4 years

[QUOTE=Pluperfect_Arson]Treaty of Versaille.


Germany got screwed over with that treaty.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but they deserved it :lol: even though it also caused WWII

Alternatively though Jaco Jr China is as i have said, overpopulated, disease ridden and generally poverty stricken except for the small minority in the ruling class who profit most from these mass profits of shipping. The country is exploited via sweatshops etc and does nothing for it's own people other than restrict them.

[QUOTE=neal_672]:lol: shut up Rich you Nazi :p[/QUOTE]

im not a Nazi, I just agree with the Basic rules of National Socialism, not like Hitler twisted Nazism to what everyone thinks of it.

[QUOTE=jaco jr]im not saying thats communism - im saying thats how it is now and how it should be changed - to a version of communism - everyone works for the state who looks after them - the state is run by a democratically elected government elected every 4 years[/QUOTE]

But then that's no longer communism that's just a slightly warped version of "democracy" i'm not even sure what you want, you say you don't want true communism yet ask for a version of it involving a ruling class, then call yourself a communist :confused:

[QUOTE=neal_672]Yeah but they deserved it :lol: even though it also caused WWII

Alternatively though Jaco Jr China is as i have said, overpopulated, disease ridden and generally poverty stricken except for the small minority in the ruling class who profit most from these mass profits of shipping. The country is exploited via sweatshops etc and does nothing for it's own people other than restrict them.[/QUOTE]
my nan went to china last summer - she said it worked - what she saw of it anyway

[QUOTE=tim_commerfordism]im not a Nazi, I just agree with the Basic rules of National Socialism, not like Hitler twisted Nazism to what everyone thinks of it.[/QUOTE]
:lol: he says with the avatar :p

and neal read the cobain thing

[QUOTE=jaco jr]my nan went to china last summer - she said it worked - what she saw of it anyway[/QUOTE]
That's the point your nan is generally better off than most people there and will only have seen the bits she paid for. They're obviously not going to show tourists the bad bits are they?

[QUOTE=jaco jr]and neal read the cobain thing[/QUOTE]

Pfffft i dunno, i don't really care :lol:

[QUOTE=neal_672]Yeah but they deserved it :lol: even though it also caused WWII[/QUOTE]

True...

Germany can never win World Wars, I've decided.:lol:

The US was actually giving Britain money and Germany money during WWI. They were giving Britain more, and they decided that it was best, commercially, for them to join sides with the Allies. They were never considered an Ally though. They were considered an "associate" power.

Germany just keeps on getting screwed.

:lol: it's Germany's fault for attacking everyone :lol: Not srious here people!

sorry its just im, well i dont think anyone understands, i think Mitchell Royce may do.

My grandmother, who was in the Hitler youth at the time, told me:

She knew nothing about concentration camps - but she did knew that the Jews were persecuted.

She had a great way of life.

She was tought musical instruments.

She got to go to the cinema for free.

She got free holidays.

Her family had a good source of income

Most Germans were(still are) VERY patriotic, myself being 3/4 Deutsch

[QUOTE=neal_672]That's the point your nan is generally better off than most people there and will only have seen the bits she paid for. They're obviously not going to show tourists the bad bits are they?[/QUOTE]
but poverty shows through even if your not shown it - ive been to thailand and malaysia and singapore - kuala lumpur is a prime example - you have towering skyscrapers in a bustling financial centre - and down the side streets there are people so poor and hungry youd think theyre country had been hit by drought

[QUOTE=neal_672]:lol: he says with the avatar :p[/QUOTE]

Here in the states, the Iron Cross is very popular with the punk kiddies.

Why do people want to be babied by the government? Communism demands that everyone hand over every single bit of the personal responsiblity and do what's best for the state.
I don't want the state to decide what's best for me. Ideally I would like to have as little to do with the state as possible. End of it.

[QUOTE=neal_672]Pfffft i dunno, i don't really care :lol:[/QUOTE]
1/3 of his ashes in a buddhist temple in new york though? one simple question - why?

[QUOTE=jaco jr]but poverty shows through even if your not shown it - ive been to thailand and malaysia and singapore - kuala lumpur is a prime example - you have towering skyscrapers in a bustling financial centre - and down the side streets there are people so poor and hungry youd think theyre country had been hit by drought[/QUOTE]

No offense though but at the end of the day: your nan's opinion is not going to change my mind...

[QUOTE=Foxfire]Here in the states, the Iron Cross is very popular with the punk kiddies.[/QUOTE]

That and West Coast Choppers...:lol:

[QUOTE=neal_672]:lol: it's Germany's fault for attacking everyone :lol: Not srious here people![/QUOTE]

hopefully, really its the Serbs/AH.
or the Russians for breaking the treatey with Germany.
the French and UK for intimidating Germany.


*officially not being racist*

(WW1)

[QUOTE=jaco jr]1/3 of his ashes in a buddhist temple in new york though? one simple question - why?[/QUOTE]

Why not?