[quote=Iluvatar;17075229]I suppose having a modicum of intelligence is also important when reading the Bible yes![/quote]
Hey, you have to take the good with the bad :p

The only Christians that truly annoy me are the ones who inherit their beliefs from their parents. A girl I know is so God-obsessed through her parents' beliefs it's ridiculous, and she has no explanations for her beliefs - it's just the regular ol' "it is because it is" scenario that angers me.

But whatever.

[QUOTE=asdemonsburn;17075233]basically mcp, when I said I know the nature of religious discussion, its happening right now

We can have this is discussion which is actually intellectual (a rarity for R&M)

but it boils down to faith

You either have it or you don't[/QUOTE]

yeah prettymuch. and it's hard for non-believers to grasp the whole faith thing, so I've seen.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075234]Hey, you have to take the good with the bad :p[/QUOTE]

Hey mister take a look at that edited part!

I do agree, the Old Testament is filled with "seedy" characters!

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;17075236]The only Christians that truly annoy me are the ones who inherit their beliefs from their parents. A girl I know is so God-obsessed through her parents' beliefs it's ridiculous, and she has no explanations for her beliefs - it's just the regular ol' "it is because it is" scenario that angers me.

But whatever.[/QUOTE]

I can understand that. I feel that even though my parents are Christians I came to be one on my own in a way because I have very different beliefs than my parents do, even within Christianity.

[quote=Dimmu Burger;17075232]Sorry. The time I felt the closest to God was when I was 11, oddly enough. Yeah I went to a Christian school so I was surrounded with it all day, but even when I was home I was praying all the time. Every situation I was in I prayed about. It was like I talked to God every few minutes about everything and I felt that he heard me. I felt very close to him then. I haven't really been able to get back to that, but I try to talk to him as often as possible, even if I forget a lot. He hears me, as dumb as it sounds, I can tell.[/quote]
Ah, I felt that when I was religious, but looking back I know [U][I][B]why[/B][/I][/U] I felt that way. It had little to do with anything besides thinking that someone was listening to me.

How can you tell? Being serious, but unless god talks back to you I don't see how you can tell that he's listening.

Its probably all chemically induced within your brain but there is a feeling [i]maaaaaaaaan[/i]

and I know this is an inherent logical falacy

but Christians tend to be extroverts and Athiests/agnostics tend to be introverts

It is a social norm to believe in God (at least where we live)

[quote=asdemonsburn;17075245]and I know this is an inherent logical falacy

but Christians tend to be extroverts and Athiests/agnostics tend to be introverts

It is a social norm to believe in God (at least where we live)[/quote]
I don't see how you can possibly say that with any certainty.

I know plenty of shy Christians and plenty of loudmouthed Athiests. It is perfectly acceptable in most parts of the US to have backlash against Christianity (which in turn leads idiots to bash all religions on the same basis)

thats because introverted shy nerds like to disagree and hate happy people (christians)

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075241]Ah, I felt that when I was religious, but looking back I know [U][I][B]why[/B][/I][/U] I felt that way. It had little to do with anything besides thinking that someone was listening to me.

How can you tell? Being serious, but unless god talks back to you I don't see how you can tell that he's listening.[/QUOTE]

Same for me. I only thought someone was listening to me because I was told that my whole life. At the same time though, I'm not going to bash people who believe because I can see where they come from.

[quote=fivelivesdeadandgone;17075248]thats because introverted shy nerds like to disagree and hate happy people (christians)[/quote]
oh come on

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075246]I don't see how you can possibly say that with any certainty.[/QUOTE]

I never said I was certain, the qualifier "tend" is my bff

example:

the internet is where non-theists tend to gather

theists tend to gather in churches

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075241]Ah, I felt that when I was religious, but looking back I know [U][I][B]why[/B][/I][/U] I felt that way. It had little to do with anything besides thinking that someone was listening to me.

How can you tell? Being serious, but unless god talks back to you I don't see how you can tell that he's listening.[/QUOTE]

It's like being in love, you just know. You also see the results of it in your life. You ask for things (within reason of course) and you get them etc.

not all Christians are in-your-face happy people.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075252]oh come on[/QUOTE]

trolling but there's a shitload of cases of that

One day I was camping with my ex, and we were sitting in a secluded part of the woods in North Carolina, and we were looking up at the stars, and I realized I didn't love her anymore, and that is when I knew God existed.

Gay.

Belief has all to do with life experience even discussing it is almost a fruitless endeavor

[quote=fivelivesdeadandgone;17075256]trolling but there's a poopload of cases of that[/quote]
are you saying atheists are unhappy people?

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075260]are you saying atheists are unhappy people?[/QUOTE]

not at all. just a lot of dumb kids fall into it.

As many kids fall into deep christianity with no real basis for belief as do Athiesm* though

*the kind of angsty spiteful athiesm i think josh is talking about

[quote=Dimmu Burger;17075254]It's like being in love, you just know. You also see the results of it in your life. [B]You ask for things (within reason of course) and you get them etc.[/B][/quote]
ugh...sorry but this sort of annoys me, no offense. You can't possibly know that you get things from god. People have been praying for world peace for how long now?

[quote=fivelivesdeadandgone;17075261]not at all. just a lot of dumb kids fall into it.[/quote]
same way with religion though.

It's still fun to mess with Christians because they're so serious about their beliefs. Like, I had 45 minute conversation with this Mexican inferior about if we had pre-determined destiny.

I could tell she was getting angry by the dirty brown complexion fading off into a red, cherry like color.

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;17075267]
I could tell she was getting angry by the dirty brown complexion fading off into a red, cherry like color.[/QUOTE]

quoting this just so it's on the page one more time

[I]amazing[/I]

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;17075267]It's still fun to mess with Christians because they're so serious about their beliefs. Like, I had 45 minute conversation with this Mexican inferior about if we had pre-determined destiny.

I could tell she was getting angry by the dirty brown complexion fading off into a red, cherry like color.[/QUOTE]

It's still fun to mess with Athiests because they're so serious about their beliefs. Like, I had 45 minute conversation with this Mexican inferior about if we had pre-determined destiny.

I could tell she was getting angry by the dirty brown complexion fading off into a red, cherry like colo

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;17075267]It's still fun to mess with Christians because they're so serious about their beliefs. Like, I had 45 minute conversation with this Mexican inferior about if we had pre-determined destiny.

I could tell she was getting angry by the dirty brown complexion fading off into a red, cherry like color.[/QUOTE]


lol

yeah I had a little discussion w/ my Christian manager at work on Saturday
his explanations were funny

In the end, I don't care what people believe as long as they aren't stupid about it.

cherry like cholo

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075265]ugh...sorry but this sort of annoys me, no offense. You can't possibly know that you get things from god. People have been praying for world peace for how long now?[/QUOTE]

that's why I said "within reason." and yeah of course I could doubt that I get things from God, but there is no other reason for me to be as successful as I am. I have no education and nothing to offer the world whatsoever and I'm a jerk, yet I have a great career, an awesome wife and daughter and I own a home and two cars. The way I look at it, God is taking good care of me.

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075274]In the end, I don't care what people believe as long as they aren't stupid about it.[/QUOTE]

faith is belief without evidence

so theists are stupid by default?

I'm so used to saying "**** of christ" because of my constant metal listening that I've been unable to divorce my actual beliefs from my more satirical ones.

I'm like an onion, with many layers of complete bullshit.

[quote=Dimmu Burger;17075279]that's why I said "within reason." and yeah of course I could doubt that I get things from God, but there is no other reason for me to be as successful as I am. I have no education and nothing to offer the world whatsoever and I'm a jerk, yet I have a great career, an awesome wife and daughter and I own a home and two cars. The way I look at it, God is taking good care of me.[/quote]
maybe you have those things because, idk, you worked for them?


Doesn't that irk you that you think all of your accomplishment are essentially god's and not yours?

[QUOTE=Nostalgia;17075284]

I'm like an onion, with many layers of complete bullshit.[/QUOTE]

youre tasty and burn the **** out of my eyes?

In the same note without his belief in a high power would he have motivated himself to earn those things?

onions are amazing. Especially on pizza

false

tomatoes son
[QUOTE=fivelivesdeadandgone;17075286]youre tasty and burn the **** out of my eyes?[/QUOTE]

he's a [I]fruitless endeavor[/I]

hohoo

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075285]maybe you have those things because, idk, you worked for them?


Doesn't that irk you that you think all of your accomplishment are essentially god's and not yours?[/QUOTE]

Really I haven't worked for these things. I'm not the kind of person who my job should've hired. I''m not the kind of person my wife should have married. I don't deserve to have such an awesome daughter and life etc. I'm lazy and selfish. There is no other explanation IMO.

Man, I remember when we had good religious discussion in this thread

[quote=Iluvatar;17075288]In the same note without his belief in a high power would he have motivated himself to earn those things?[/quote]
who says his belief in god had anything to do with him earning those things? Not to be an ***, but from his own reasoning god gave him those things, he didn't earn them. "he's taken care of".

[QUOTE=Mr. Ron;17075289]onions are amazing. Especially on pizza[/QUOTE]

ef onions on pizza. bloomin onion ftw!