[QUOTE=Lockshock;14997794]Hi

I'm relatively new to singing (I'm 15). I have a pretty good and clear voice but I can't seem to get it to sound raspy and cool like my favourite bands (Alice in Chains and Soundgarden). I've posted on some other forums but I can't get a good answer. One guy told me to use my diaphragm. I'm not sure how to do that. :confused:

If anyone could give me tips on how to sing like Chris Cornell or Layne Staley, that would be great. Anything past the "go to a teacher nub" really helps :)

Thanks[/QUOTE]

I can get some type of rasp that sounds decent and I can get one of those "screamo screams" and inhale screams without any pain. I cant describe it though. But make sure you warm up first alot! And Make sure your full hydrated, and keep water with you. No matter how you do it it puts more strain on your voice. If you feel any pain stop. I'm sure you've heard all this and if you havent, LISTEN TO IT. Get mark baxters 5 secrets of screaming, Zen of screaming 1 and 2. Download them if your too ghetto to afford it haha.

Hey everyone, I'm 15 and I've been trying to record myself recently. When I sing normally it sounds like I'm getting the desired sound and it sounds like me, but when I sing into a mic it sounds like a little kid. What's with that?

[QUOTE=csyn;15032024]Hey everyone, I'm 15 and I've been trying to record myself recently. When I sing normally it sounds like I'm getting the desired sound and it sounds like me, but when I sing into a mic it sounds like a little kid. What's with that?[/QUOTE]

You're always gonna sound worse/different than what you think you sound like when you listen to your own voice from a recorder rather than your own ears.

[QUOTE=csyn;15032024]Hey everyone, I'm 15 and I've been trying to record myself recently. When I sing normally it sounds like I'm getting the desired sound and it sounds like me, but when I sing into a mic it sounds like a little kid. What's with that?[/QUOTE]

Hey Csyn

I have the same problem. I think it's just the way I want to perceive my voice, or the way my head perceives it. I think I sound like a little girl singing when I hear recordings, but my friends all say I sound fine. And if I sucked, they wouldn't be afraid to say so either. Get a second opinion, maybe. :chug:

[QUOTE=Lockshock;15033326]Hey Csyn

I have the same problem. I think it's just the way I want to perceive my voice, or the way my head perceives it. I think I sound like a little girl singing when I hear recordings, but my friends all say I sound fine. And if I sucked, they wouldn't be afraid to say so either. Get a second opinion, maybe. :chug:[/QUOTE]

You might not sound so bad as you may think when you listen to yourself on recordings, its just you're not used to actually hearing what everybody else hears of your voice so its usually always a total shocker to new comers, as time goes on, the more recording/singing you do, the better you'll come to terms with your "actual voice"

Hey, I'd like to thank anyone who gave me advice on screaming, but quite by accident I stumbled upon the secret. I can't really explain well what I'm doing, but I just know that all of a sudden I can do everything from rasp in a Nirvana type fashion to scream brutally like A7X with pretty much no pain whatsoever. In the end I just ended up figuring it out on my own. I guess from now on I pretty much just need to work on improving my technique and trying for a deeper heavier death growl and work on my clean singing technique.

[QUOTE=csyn;15032024]Hey everyone, I'm 15 and I've been trying to record myself recently. When I sing normally it sounds like I'm getting the desired sound and it sounds like me, but when I sing into a mic it sounds like a little kid. What's with that?[/QUOTE]


I'm 15 too.....anyways, the song in your head is different because the sound is inside you. Also recordings will lose a bit of quality but their still pretty close. Unless your recording ways suck......

Record more and try to get a good sound you like. Also your voice could have not changed yet....Also your voice doesnt officially STOP changing completely till your somewhere around 22 i think it was? Dont worry about sounding older, just try to get the best tone for your voice.

Also 15...
 

Hey, i just went 15 about two months ago and...

Well, heres my problem :

1. When i "sing", i get various opinions, some people SAY i can sing and others say i can't... People who can include my brother, dad, mother, old teacher. Others who can't well, they have'nt REALLY listened to me, i just sung randomly about something and i don't know if i was tring, but they include "Sister, A friend"... i just have a distinct feeling my mother/father are just saying i can sing because they don't won't to say i suck, but she says she would tell me if i was bad.

2. Whenever i try to hit High notes, they just turn into well... wind, and whenever i try to hit Very high notes i can, i used to be able to do both when i was about 12/13, will i be able to do this again if i pratice or wait till the worst of my voice breaking is over? :confused:

3. Is the Flem sensation in my throat effecting my voice much?

Help is appricated :)

Heya folks.. Awesome stuff here, I've been a long time lurker. I hope everyone gets the help they need.

I've been trying to figure out this whole screaming/rasp bit for a long time now, I wanted to make sure I got a faint idea of what I was doing before I posted asking for help, and I wanted to try to get it on my own but I've been having a lot of trouble.

At first I could never understand how you could get any kind of rasp without using your throat, and that it all came from the gut. I could never ever get that. Then while reading through the forum today I saw a bit where merkaba talked about singing an "ahh" sound, then start to grunt and activating the diaphragm. I tried this, and I think I might have had some success. I think I understand now what it means to have the distortion come from the gut.. When I attempted it I just kinda squeezed my abdominals while making the attempt and something raspy came out and I dont believe I felt it in my throat. I'm going to work on it more after my chords heal, I damaged them at a show I went to the other night.. Human Abstract. Great band, check them out!

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if the vocal buffs around here like Merkaba can confirm that what I'm doing is on the right track, and if thats really what the key behind rasping/screaming is. Thanks again for all the helpful advice, and I hope that everyone gets what they're looking for.

Btw, all the links are broken for Merkaba's voice help hotline, I dont know if anyone noticed

[QUOTE=irondragons;15050380]Hey, i just went 15 about two months ago and...

Well, heres my problem :

1. When i "sing", i get various opinions, some people SAY i can sing and others say i can't... People who can include my brother, dad, mother, old teacher. Others who can't well, they have'nt REALLY listened to me, i just sung randomly about something and i don't know if i was tring, but they include "Sister, A friend"... i just have a distinct feeling my mother/father are just saying i can sing because they don't won't to say i suck, but she says she would tell me if i was bad.

2. Whenever i try to hit High notes, they just turn into well... wind, and whenever i try to hit Very high notes i can, i used to be able to do both when i was about 12/13, will i be able to do this again if i pratice or wait till the worst of my voice breaking is over? :confused:

3. Is the Flem sensation in my throat effecting my voice much?

Help is appricated :)[/QUOTE]

1. Not everyone is going to like your voice. Some people don't naturaly have a good voice, but they take singing seriously and practise correct technqiues and work their way up, until they do figure out how to get different tones and sounds from their voice. If you're serious about it, don't give up and keep practising. Post some samples of your singing and we'll give you tips on how to improove it.

2. Your vocal chords grow more as you go through puberty. This does however, affect your voice and your ability to reach higher notes. If i'm correct, higher notes usually mean smaller vocal chords, which children have. As you reach puberty, your vocal chords are growing bigger, making them more deep. Don't loose sleep over that, keep working on your range, but remember, range isn't ALL THAT important. Also with high notes, make sure you back off the pressure and relax your throat. If i remember correctly, higher notes require less pressure and air. Just keep your throat relaxed.

3. Yes, mucous does affect your singing ability. It stops the vocal chords from viabrating clearly and as a result, many people try to push harder to get a better tone. This only damages their voice. Avoid dairy products, soft drink, citrus to minimise mucous.

[QUOTE=Ksama;15066976]Heya folks.. Awesome stuff here, I've been a long time lurker. I hope everyone gets the help they need.

I've been trying to figure out this whole screaming/rasp bit for a long time now, I wanted to make sure I got a faint idea of what I was doing before I posted asking for help, and I wanted to try to get it on my own but I've been having a lot of trouble.

At first I could never understand how you could get any kind of rasp without using your throat, and that it all came from the gut. I could never ever get that. Then while reading through the forum today I saw a bit where merkaba talked about singing an "ahh" sound, then start to grunt and activating the diaphragm. I tried this, and I think I might have had some success. I think I understand now what it means to have the distortion come from the gut.. When I attempted it I just kinda squeezed my abdominals while making the attempt and something raspy came out and I dont believe I felt it in my throat. I'm going to work on it more after my chords heal, I damaged them at a show I went to the other night.. Human Abstract. Great band, check them out!

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if the vocal buffs around here like Merkaba can confirm that what I'm doing is on the right track, and if thats really what the key behind rasping/screaming is. Thanks again for all the helpful advice, and I hope that everyone gets what they're looking for.

Btw, all the links are broken for Merkaba's voice help hotline, I dont know if anyone noticed[/QUOTE]

Best way for us to see if you're doing it right or wrong is to post some audio samples. The thing with screaming/rasping is, tone does actually come from the throat. You can't get "tone" from your stomach. Your stomach is just your damn stomach. You use the stomach to support your voice so that minimal tension is placed in your throat. Figuring out which muscles in your throat do what is essential to learning how to rasp/scream. If you try to do it all from the gut, you're going to get next to no tone at all. If you try to do it from all the throat, you'll be literally squeezing and forcing the sound out. You need to move your throat back a bit so it scrapes the air coming up from your diaphram, sending air into your soft pallete. That's how you're going to get a rasp tone. Post a sample, we'll give you some feedback.

I hope I got my info right and my advice helps a little. I am by no means a professional but I am continually working on my voice. Most of the stuff I learn is from reading over and over again Merkaba's posts and practising it.

[QUOTE=Ksama;15066976]Heya folks.. Awesome stuff here, I've been a long time lurker. I hope everyone gets the help they need.

I've been trying to figure out this whole screaming/rasp bit for a long time now, I wanted to make sure I got a faint idea of what I was doing before I posted asking for help, and I wanted to try to get it on my own but I've been having a lot of trouble.

At first I could never understand how you could get any kind of rasp without using your throat, and that it all came from the gut. I could never ever get that. Then while reading through the forum today I saw a bit where merkaba talked about singing an "ahh" sound, then start to grunt and activating the diaphragm. I tried this, and I think I might have had some success. I think I understand now what it means to have the distortion come from the gut.. When I attempted it I just kinda squeezed my abdominals while making the attempt and something raspy came out and I dont believe I felt it in my throat. I'm going to work on it more after my chords heal, I damaged them at a show I went to the other night.. Human Abstract. Great band, check them out!

Anyway, I'd appreciate it if the vocal buffs around here like Merkaba can confirm that what I'm doing is on the right track, and if thats really what the key behind rasping/screaming is. Thanks again for all the helpful advice, and I hope that everyone gets what they're looking for.

Btw, all the links are broken for Merkaba's voice help hotline, I dont know if anyone noticed[/QUOTE]

what about the wrong answer "annk" deal. tried that feel yet, on the ahhh vowel? aaannnnk

Hey guys, I have a problem.

Last sunday was the warped tour, so I was able to sing along with my favorite bands (Coheed and Circa Survive). However, when cheering them on, I'd do the high pitch scream "Hell Yeah!"

Now, I'm sure I learned my lesson but my voice can no longer sustain notes between my chest and head voice. Also, my vocal chords hurt for like 3 days after and now I'm noticing my voice is feeling a bit more strained. I can hit the higher notes but as I've mentioned, sustaining them is much harder now and my feels as if it got deeper but not much. It's just that the mixed register seems to be harder to access and my voice my squeek/crack in the first attempt. I'm 18 1/2 years old and my family's genes make sure we're done by the age of 17.

Merk,

when I do "annnk" it seems like its the most damaging noise I could possibly make.. Is that where having more air from the diaphragm comes in to make it not hurt?

I would post a sample of what I'm doing but its like you gotta sell your ****in soul to get any damn audio hosting anywhere

[QUOTE=Ksama;15087154]I would post a sample of what I'm doing but its like you gotta sell your ****in soul to get any damn audio hosting anywhere[/QUOTE]

Of course not. You can use:

[url]www.putfile.com[/url]

[url]www.soundclick.com[/url]

[url]www.yousendit.com[/url]

[url]www.megaupload.com[/url]

[url]www.newgrounds.com[/url]

All of which are free :thumb:

Forlorn Hope, thaaank you friend.

Well here is a small clip of me doing what I consider my low scream, it could be considered a growl.. but there are some ways that I do it that hurt and some ways that dont, usually it just hurts after a while though.. but is it anywhere near to what I'm supposed to be doing? I'll record what I consider my high scream when its not 1am.

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Low-Scream-or-Growl[/url]

Thank you for all your help guys, again I hope everyone gets the help they need.

So, I've been singing/screaming for about a year, but my deep growls just turn to air after a couple of seconds. I really want to be able to hold my growls for as long as my screams (which is basically as long as I can hold a normal note, over a minuete if I want to, but no one needs to scream that long >_>;;..)

Also, I would love to be able to scream as high as Dani Filth. I know he has a freakish voice that lets him do whatever he pleases with it -_- but I can almost hit as high as him, any tips on working on it?

Wow what happened, did everyone die?

All right I didn't feel like reading all of those pages, so an answer to a simple question is appreciated greatly: Does screaming hurt your larnyx? I know there's a proper way to do it, but it doesn't seem healthy.

I can sing from my diaphragm and sing really loudly using my diaphragm but I won't even attempt to get it raspy. Well, is it healthy?

[QUOTE=KurtCobain2902;15146647]All right I didn't feel like reading all of those pages, so an answer to a simple question is appreciated greatly: Does screaming hurt your larnyx? I know there's a proper way to do it, but it doesn't seem healthy.

I can sing from my diaphragm and sing really loudly using my diaphragm but I won't even attempt to get it raspy. Well, is it healthy?[/QUOTE]


Yes it can hurt if you dont do it correctly. Even if you do it correctly, consistently doing it will cause some wear and tear. Not really permanent damage but maybe a loss of range is certain areas such as your break or falsetto range, because the cords will always be somewhat swollen and irritated from screaming.

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15150117]Yes it can hurt if you dont do it correctly. Even if you do it correctly, consistently doing it will cause some wear and tear. Not really permanent damage but maybe a loss of range is certain areas such as your break or falsetto range, because the cords will always be somewhat swollen and irritated from screaming.[/QUOTE]

Thank you, good sir. That's what I suspected. I was reading of a few famous people who developed vocal nodules, and some of them didnt even "scream" perse. Such as Freddie Mercury.

Ok, Tobius would like some help if it's not too much trouble. Also this is highly embarrasing so please go easy on me.

I recently recorded myself singing and would like to know if i have a good singing voice.

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Holy-Diver-Vocal-Test[/url]

Any constructive criticism is greatly appreciated.

Ok I've been working on a few things, heres a clip of me attempting to scream correctly the song Kelsey by Still Remains. Theres a pause at the beginning where you cant hear anything so dont turn it up way high or you'll blast yourself out of your seat haha :p

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Kelsey[/url]


[B]Tobius[/B], I would say that you need more air support, and I believe thats what merkaba or any of the other buffs would say, because it kinda just sounds like you're talking. More air, more support. You'll get it eventually, and I sure hope I know what I'm talking about :)

Okay...no one answered my question....but thats fine, I have growls down now.

Still waiting for tips on how to scream as high as Dani Filth....I can get pretty close, but it still isn't that high

[QUOTE=Ksama;15156581]Ok I've been working on a few things, heres a clip of me attempting to scream correctly the song Kelsey by Still Remains. Theres a pause at the beginning where you cant hear anything so dont turn it up way high or you'll blast yourself out of your seat haha :p

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Kelsey[/url]

[/QUOTE]
Ksama, you sound very breathy. I'm not sure what to prescribe you falsetto screams, but Still Remains is using 'Vocal Fry' for their vocals in that song (As do many metalcore bands).
Vocal Fry is somewhat explained here.
[url]http://www.musesmuse.com/art-vocalrelease1.html[/url]

Vocal Fry only works well if mixed with good head resonance (explained below). Pitch is governed by the position of your voice box and the shape of your mouth. (Zen of Screaming 2 has good instruction on vocal fry)


[QUOTE]
Ok, Tobius would like some help if it's not too much trouble. Also this is highly embarrasing so please go easy on me.

I recently recorded myself singing and would like to know if i have a good singing voice.

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Holy-Diver-Vocal-Test[/url]

Any constructive criticism is greatly appreciated.
[/QUOTE]
One thing you should try Tobius that will make a large difference is [B]resonance[/B]. You'll notice resonance when you feel a buzz in the area above your mouth. I find the best way for me to capture it is to first:[LIST][*]Hum on a comfortable note, and then elongate your mouth cavity and make some more room. [*]Play around with the sound until you feel a buzzing/vibration around your nasal area. [*]Once you've obtained that feeling break the hum into a nicely form 'eee' vowel.[/LIST] Combine the resonance with the breath support will make a big difference. For breath
Breath from your stomach more, and to get the push from the diaphragm practice on 'ssss' and going louder with the 'ssss' and you will feel the push from the correct spot.


demo for you guys:
[url]http://boomp3.com/m/19a19dc385ab[/url]

So yeah, i've been learning to scream lately with a considerable amount of success. any way, i noticed when i try and scream my lowwest notes they really aren't all that low. I'm a tenor, i'm pretty sure, so i don't expect to be able to go super low, but i still feel really high.

I think this is because my mouth is naturally kinda small. could that be a good reason for why i can't get very low; i can't as big of a combo of lowering the vocal chords and increasing my mouth volume, as every one else?

[QUOTE=Call Me Jack;15193319]So yeah, i've been learning to scream lately with a considerable amount of success. any way, i noticed when i try and scream my lowwest notes they really aren't all that low. I'm a tenor, i'm pretty sure, so i don't expect to be able to go super low, but i still feel really high.

I think this is because my mouth is naturally kinda small. could that be a good reason for why i can't get very low; i can't as big of a combo of lowering the vocal chords and increasing my mouth volume, as every one else?[/QUOTE]

part of being a tenor is a smaller larynx....usually

[QUOTE=Screamin_Demon_Auz;15150117]Yes it can hurt if you dont do it correctly. Even if you do it correctly, consistently doing it will cause some wear and tear. Not really permanent damage but maybe a loss of range is certain areas such as your break or falsetto range, because the cords will always be somewhat swollen and irritated from screaming.[/QUOTE]

Oh God tell me about it.

Just drinking a lot of warm water is normally soothing enough to continue though, a lot of the time the major issue with a lot of screaming is phlegm, so much comes up and it just clogs up, that makes highs harder than any swelling.

I'd like multiple opinions; what is the lowdown on inhale screaming? Is it bad for you? I've heard many mixed reviews on it and am looking for a solid answer.

I used to do a lot of inhale screaming, but I moved back to exhales and I kinda screwed up my throat, so I think I'm gonna go beck to inhales.

It really has to do with which way it's easier to keep your throat from being butchered for the individual.

[QUOTE=i am the robots;15272739]I used to do a lot of inhale screaming, but I moved back to exhales and I kinda screwed up my throat, so I think I'm gonna go beck to inhales.

[B]It really has to do with which way it's easier to keep your throat from being butchered for the individual.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks, but [B]what do you mean by that[/B]? If you could give me detailed examples that would be great. Because I've heard all these things about how it damages you much worse than any other styles. I can go pretty loud without any strain on my throat if I do say so myself, it feels more or less at the back roof of my mouth.

Also, why is there so much hate against inhale?

As long as you're not creating rasp from scraping your vocal cords together, you're good. A lot of people do inhales by closing their throats and sucking in as hard as they can, which basically shreds everything against everything else.

If I could find a way to record clips and put them on here, would that be able to tell you anything?

In a lot of cases, yeah.

HOw DO I GROowl?

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i actually would like to learn though i probabyl cant though

It's all about inhales. bree bree

anyone know what bands use inhales? I find them very easy, yet exhaling screams are a complete mystery to me :|

see you next tuesday
daughters
kissy face fashion faux~pas
bataan death march
paraphilia (my band lol)
cryptopsy (at points)
from graves of valor
through the eyes of the dead (when gunnells did vocals)
fleshandbloodrobot

etc.