[QUOTE=nowitzki]I don't see how anyone can say Trivium aren't metal. I also disagree with some of the bands that they don't let on there, when there are bands like Rainbow and Black Sabbath on the site, who are really just hard rock.[/QUOTE]
sabbath are the original heavy metal, dont dis:angry:

[QUOTE=nowitzki]I don't see how anyone can say Trivium aren't metal. I also disagree with some of the bands that they don't let on there, when there are bands like Rainbow and Black Sabbath on the site, who are really just hard rock.[/QUOTE]

Sabbath could probably be called doom metal, and nobody would disagree.

Trivium are definitely metal. Whether they're metalcore or post-thrash or speed or whatever the hell, they are definitely some kind of metal.

I agree there is some metal in Sabbath's sound, but I would mainly classify them as hard rock. Just as there is metal in the music of bands like Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold, yet these bands are not included on the site.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]I agree there is some metal in Sabbath's sound, but I would mainly classify them as hard rock. Just as there is metal in the music of bands like Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold, yet these bands are not included on the site.[/QUOTE]
Metal Archives is wrong on alot of stuff so I don't generally go by what they say.

Avenged Sevenfold is metal and so is Slipknot and Sabbath. Trivium is not metalcore, just metal or if you want to argue it, melodic thrash.

Last night in Philly, Matt said they were taping. Do they tape every show (like Maiden does), or are they taping that one specifically for a DVD?

Edit: Nevermind, I got the answer on the Trivium boards..they tape every show in case they want to make a DVD

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Decleration?[/QUOTE]

Decl[B]a[/B]ration then, the song? On Ascendancy...the bit i meant comes on at about 4:20

For some reason I don't have that song on my computer, thats why I got confused.

Wow, there's a thread for a lot of good bands on this board. Cool.

I love Trivium. I listened to Ascendancy just this morning, and I can't wait for their new album. They had a pretty good section on them in the newest Guitar World, too. Awesome.

[QUOTE=jaco jr]who else agree trivium are a bunch of teabagging turds who wish they were death metal but just arent, who wish they were children of bodom but arent worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as CoB, and who else is going to see them just to kill n00bs?
just me?:confused:[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jaco jr]lame i wish other people were as cool as me[/QUOTE]

Wow, even as I marvel at your stupidity, I must admit you made me laugh.

^ :lol:
Great!

Watching corey solo on the roadrunner united allstar sessions dvd is awsome. His fingers move so fast on the fret board the camera can barely keep up and it at times looks cartoonish :chug:

[QUOTE=jaco jr]who else agree trivium are a bunch of teabagging turds who wish they were death metal but just arent, who wish they were children of bodom but arent worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as CoB, and who else is going to see them just to kill n00bs?
just me?:confused:[/QUOTE]


Funny, because you mention Trivium and CoB in the same sentence....twice.

[QUOTE=mr black]Watching corey solo on the roadrunner united allstar sessions dvd is awsome. His fingers move so fast on the fret board the camera can barely keep up and it at times looks cartoonish :chug:[/QUOTE]


Corey is sick!


that shred like us video is insane

W00T Goin to see Trivium and In Flames Tomorrow night!!!! \m/ \m/

[QUOTE=jaco jr]who else agree trivium are a bunch of teabagging turds who wish they were death metal but just arent, who wish they were children of bodom but arent worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as CoB, and who else is going to see them just to kill n00bs?
just me?:confused:[/QUOTE]
lolz @ CoB

I wonder why most COB and Trivium fans can't get along....

Saberpuck: How did the show go?

[QUOTE=Britton]I wonder why most COB and Trivium fans can't get along....

Saberpuck: How did the show go?[/QUOTE]

Because a lot of the newer CoB fans try too hard to be cool and think being narrowminded retards makes them cool. Trust me, there are a lot of them in my school, I make fun of them horribly.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Because a lot of the newer CoB fans try too hard to be cool and think being narrowminded retards makes them cool. Trust me, there are a lot of them in my school, I make fun of them horribly.[/QUOTE]


Yea there are tons of them. When I saw COB with Trivium the COB fans were annoying all the way up until COB played.

I can't understand it

[QUOTE=Britton]Yea there are tons of them. When I saw COB with Trivium the COB fans were annoying all the way up until COB played.

I can't understand it[/QUOTE]

What's so hard to understand? They like the new CoB, and that's total rubbish, therefore they're retarded.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]What's so hard to understand? They like the new CoB, and that's total rubbish, therefore they're retarded.[/QUOTE]

Do you like COB?

[QUOTE=Britton]Do you like COB?[/QUOTE]

I like everything up until Hatecrew Deathroll (which was only half-decent).

Something Wild and Hatebreeder... now those are solid albums.

I'm a huge CoB fan (although I thought AYDY? was very poor), and love Trivium as well. Trivium are a band that a lot of people will hate, due to all the success they have had, so its not surprising that a lot of CoB fans will dislike them.

Yeah, Trivium deserves the success, even though Heafy is a horrible vocalist (screaming, and he's half-decent at singing), but he can growl pretty ****ing well, as he proved in his work with Carpharnaum.

Yeah, although his singing live is much worse than in the studio. Apparently on the new album he'll be using a different vocal style.

[QUOTE=nowitzki]Yeah, although [B]his singing live is much worse than in the studio[/B]. Apparently on the new album he'll be using a different vocal style.[/QUOTE]

That happens with every singer.

Heafy really seems to struggle with his clean singing live though, which is why he gets the crowd to sing those parts so often.

I can see why with the way he "sings" the other parts. He is pretty much killing his voice by doing that.

^ why did you put brackets around sings :confused:

Because that screaming/growl stuff isn't singing

...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.

[QUOTE=mr black]...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.[/QUOTE]

No it's just that you are pretty retarded for thinking that screaming/growling is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, often constrasted with speech. Air is expelled with the diaphragm as with ordinary breathing, and the pitch is altered with the vocal cords.

[QUOTE=mr black]...Haha, your a very uneducated individual.[/QUOTE]

Ah, irony. I think you mean "you're", not "your". Pretty much defeats the whole point behind your insult, huh? Basic English FTW.

And for the record, those are quotation marks, not brackets.

Oh, and Trivium owns. Can't wait to hear their new album.

[QUOTE=Britton]I wonder why most COB and Trivium fans can't get along....

Saberpuck: How did the show go?[/QUOTE]


The show was ****in incredible, Devildriver were intense as hell, Trivium blew everyone away, and In Flames were...well, In Flames no other words needed. I was mostly impressed by Matt's vocals. Impressed in that they were spot on. He actually sang every song all the way through and sang them extremly well. Paulo and Corey were in good form too. And the covers of Dominate and Walk were ****in intense.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]No it's just that you are pretty retarded for thinking that screaming/growling is the act of producing musical sounds with the voice, often constrasted with speech. Air is expelled with the diaphragm as with ordinary breathing, and the pitch is altered with the vocal cords.[/QUOTE]


Screaming is best summed up as singing with distortion, same effect as guitar distortion... different instrument. It still maintains pitch, timing, sustain, tone, and control. To scream a pitch you first have to be able to sing that pitch, henceforth it is singing. Is it not a guitar tone if it's distorted ?

Screams and growls are legitimate styles of singing to convey an emotion that could not be expressed with any other form of delivery, either way your putting fourth a story using articulated speech, it's mood all comes down to the delivery...

***To the gimp correcting my grammer: I know your sort, you feel better about yourself by sitting at your computer and correcting people on the internet or off the internet, to convince yourself that your superior. My grammer is in no way perfect i can admit it, but please grow up and don't flame me because of a point of view that myself and many other members on this forum believe.

Looks like you are doing what you are doing is what you said I was doing. And no that's not my type, you know nothing about me. Don't cry on me pal.

IMHO screaming/growling isn't singing.

[QUOTE=mr black]Screaming is best summed up as singing with distortion, same effect as guitar distortion... different instrument. It still maintains pitch, timing, sustain, tone, and control. To scream a pitch you first have to be able to sing that pitch, henceforth it is singing. Is it not a guitar tone if it's distorted ?

Screams and growls are legitimate styles of singing to convey an emotion that could not be expressed with any other form of delivery, either way your putting fourth a story using articulated speech, it's mood all comes down to the delivery...

***To the gimp correcting my grammer: I know your sort, you feel better about yourself by sitting at your computer and correcting people on the internet or off the internet, to convince yourself that your superior. My grammer is in no way perfect i can admit it, but please grow up and don't flame me because of a point of view that myself and many other members on this forum believe.[/QUOTE]

Nah, I just thought it was funny. You seemed like the sort who randomly insulted people based on the fact that he thought something different than you. Had you posted your reasons like you did in this post, I'd have stayed out of it. But you just went "lol, ur ignorant" basically. I take it back now; at least now you have an actual arguement.

[QUOTE=BLS_Infernus]IMHO screaming/growling isn't singing.[/QUOTE]

You're right, it's not singing. It's...guess what? Screaming or growling. They both take talent to do, just as much talent (if not more) than singing, at least in metal. Whether your opinion is different or not, they are both legimiate styles of vocalization. I'd like you to tell Mikael Akerfeldt or Karl Sanders that they aren't legimitate styles of vocalization, and I'd like to see what they say. Because they'd prove you wrong, but obviously knowledge (them) < ignorance (you).

To scream or growl properly is a hard feat, and it's often recommended to people who scream or growl to take vocal training (aka singing lessons), because they use the same techniques. You sing with your diaphragm. You growl/scream with your diaphragm (at least if you're doing it right.)

Thanks, have a nice day.

It's an opinion genius. Opinions aren't facts. Ignorance (you) < Knowledge (me)

I never said opinions [i]were[/i]facts, it's just that your opinion is highly off base and as such, should be disregarded. It's like saying that freedom of speech isn't a valid constitutional amendment because everybody takes advantage of it. It doesn't make the 1st amendment any less of an amendment when compared to the 18th.

Honestly, post on the Nile forums, or the Opeth forums, or some other "zomgz growling/screaming aren't vocal techniques" forum, and I'd love to see what they say.

Your opinion is wrong, and your ignorance is glaring.

ok, heres the test.

go and sing along to a song by the chilis or summat

then go choose a heavier song, lets say anything by cannibal corpse since it meets our needs.

which was easier?

point made