You can download some of his stuff. I've downloaded some of his stuff with Limewire.

i know Tool are also fans of Bob Frissell. today i just ordered one of his books "Nothing In This Book is True, But That's Exactly How Things Are". i'm looking forward to reading it.
and, i know this is off-topic, but, today i just saw the new APC video, Imagine. it's really good :D

i tried watching it but my internet was too screwed up...care to fill me in on it??

i wanna read that book but i can't find it...and i'm broke...so once you've read it tell us what it's like...:thumb:

For those who have Salival, click [URL=http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool]Here[/URL]

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?

[QUOTE=epiphonegtrs8888]I'm gonna' take back a little of what I said because you guys have a point.[/QUOTE]

Never do that, songs mean different things to different people. By all means take note of what people say and let it change your opinons, but if you retract your opinions because of what other people say you are not following the #1 tool guideline. Think for yourself.

That's not what I meant. I said I'm gonna' take back A LITTLE of what I said, meaning the part where I said that it is only about Jesus.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]For those who have Salival, click [URL=http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool]Here[/URL]

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?[/QUOTE]

I dunno what they r talking bout the Hush duet. But everything else looks right.

Thats why i guess there are secret sections, the Tori Aimos duet would be cool to see again

What is the Tori Amos duet from?

Otherside,
re the slavery 13th amendment...
i'm sure that APC/maynard didn't know that when they chose the title...however, it just goes to show the interconnectedness of things.....
the pieces fit!
even if they were never meant to!

and I disagree, SFK...how could tool call Hicks 'another dead hero' and love his work...
then call him a fool martyr (amongst other things) in the second track?
i agree the clearvision...to me it feels more about people who expect to be glorified in death...
but as i'm thinking about this I'm reassessing...
the continuation of clearvision's quote "not all martyrs see divinity"
is "but at least you tried"
so who this figure or figure-type is, is someone who still gets repect from tool...
maybe the **** thing IS about hicks...
i must read it with a fresh head...with clear vision (hehe cheap shot i know)
i'll get back to you..

the post that you pu up about maynard making fun of religion is not what i think he is trying to say. for me i think that he is commenting on the way that people use religion to con other people into doing what they want. is the sound he say "we would both like to rape you". to me that is the person using peoples love for religion and using it to screw them over, an example of this is the problems with priest rapeing the the little boys by luring them in getting there trust by using religion as a sign of comfort. i am really tired right now so sorry that i couldent take more time to explain myself more.

and for anyone who hasent already figured this out, maynard of tool is a genius and is for more intelligent then all of us but in a different way, and if you listen to tool enough you can see why.

[QUOTE=bebubly]i tried watching it but my internet was too screwed up...care to fill me in on it??

i wanna read that book but i can't find it...and i'm broke...so once you've read it tell us what it's like...:thumb:[/QUOTE]

it's pretty good. if you see it with the interview, maynard talks about how all the images in the video are off network television, which is exactly what the whole video is. there are various news images, george bush, iraq,etc. there are also some weird clips with baby dolls with moving mouths.
as for the book, i just ordered it yesterday, and probably won't get it for about a week, but when i do, i'll fill you all in :D

I started reading that book last week. Its great ,it talks about so many things. It opened my eyes to new ideas.

[QUOTE=Medopalis]I'm fairly sure it's Ænima...although I don't have the album, so I might be wrong. That's what it's called on amazon though, so I'm going with that.[/QUOTE]

:confused: well on the CD...when u buy it the plastic §hit on the outside says that its Ænima...but when you open the fvckin cd and look at the songs...its Ænema....its really starting to bother me!!! lol...on all of the sites n e §hit it says Ænima as well....i need help... :upset:

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Both are correct for Tool titles, one is the album title, the other is the song title.

Ænima = Album
Ænema = Song[/QUOTE]


:thumb: thanks.....i needed that...but still...it confuses me...o well :confused:

Everything in this book is a lie, but it's exactly how things are is a killer book. Alot of it is open for personal belief. Some of it I felt was goofy but alot of it was really good. I don't know that I would recomend someone read it cus they are a Tool fan. If you are into personal growth and inner exporation, ways to open your mind and see what might be right in front of you it is a good place to start.

Other books like Awakening the Third Eye by Samuel Sagan are books I found extremely interesting. Holy Blood Holy Grail again deserves another mention.

what's behind the whole "Third Eye" concept? i remember reading something about the "pineal gland", but not much else.

[QUOTE=Reactor158]what's behind the whole "Third Eye" concept? i remember reading something about the "pineal gland", but not much else.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=1][B]I had posted this before in this thread, many many pages ago. This should clear it up......[/B][/SIZE]


I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.

The romours are that tool will be comeing out with a new record sometime in 2005, and the news on the dvd is that it will contain live footage from the lateralus tour.

If anybody else has anymore information about this, please post it!

I have heard the same stuff. In theory the DVD will be released this fall/winter and the CD next spring with a summer tour.

hell ya, a new cd and tour, my prayers have been answered

hey ive been thinking about getting into metaphysics, not just because tool is into it, but because its very interesting and could go somewhere. I am good when it comes to the sciences(biology,chemistry,and physics) but i am sh*t at math. Is math one of the main things that metaphysics revolves around.

^....lol... you dont want to get into metaphysics if you dont like sheer math bro. however, there are other parts that are worth it.

And so what if you did want to do it because tool did it. They got influenced too!

[QUOTE=Stagefrightken][SIZE=1][B]I had posted this before in this thread, many many pages ago. This should clear it up......[/B][/SIZE]


I have researched Metaphysics for years. Hence one of the reasons I became such a huge Tool fan, they study Metaphysics as well. Alot of thier songs tie together. I'll give you a brief overview of some Metaphysical ideas and you can tie the songs together and probably get a better idea of what they are trying to convey through thier music.

Ok, to start all this off you have think about different dimensions and human evolution. We currently live in the 3rd dimenstion. While we live in this dimension our body has 44&2 chromosoms. Now, some believe that there are ways to move from our present dimension into the 4th. To do this one must study sacred geometry and understand how the basic universe was created. All things living are carbon based.

Sacred Geometry is a way to geometrically explain all things created and living. The flower of life is the basis for everything, as is carbon. The human body is surrounded by 3 star tetrahedrans. 2 of these are actively moving, the 3rd is stationary. To move from the 3rd to the 4th dimension several things need to happen theoretically. Firstly your body my evolve into having 46&2 chromosomes (Hence what the 46&2 Tool song is about). The theory is that to begin the transformation the Pineal Gland must be stimulated. The Pineal Gland is also called the "Third Eye" (Tool Song). Once this Pineal Gland is stimulated it theoretically creates a hormone which will cause the transformation of the human body. How a person activates the Pineal Gland is done through self meditation called Mantra (Tool Song). Ok, now. Lets imagine that we have stimulated our Pineal Gland and have evolved our bodies into having 46&2 Chromosomes. Now, through meditation we will begin to move the 3rd Star Tetrahedran. When this Tetrahedran moves along with the other 2 a "Merkaba" (Tool Song) is created. This Merkaba is basically a vehicle to move from one dimesnion to the next.

There are theories that people can move between the different dimensions. One of these people is Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is so much to research about him that I won't even go into him and will leave this for you to do. Be wary of bull**** web sites who claim to be this person as they are pretty much full of ****.

This is a very basic run down of some of the Metaphysical studies Tool is involved with. The great thing about Tool is how the music actually is the process for them to relate to these topics and the lyrics kind of guide a person along. In this one post I have clued you in on enough stuff that could literally take years to research.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to make a few clarifications. the pineal gland is always stimulated. just not enough

mantra is a vocal vibration,often repeated. doing this alone will not necessarily activate a merkaba, or anything else. though it can have profound effects in regards to many things, since self produced vocal vibrations also vibrate 100% of the body(to various degrees, yes)

There is no prerequisite when it comes to activating your merkaba. i.e. chromosome count or pineal work.(though the latter will start to become automatic)

Its not a theory. I can move between dimensions..though it is way way way way way way way harder to do with the merkaba because its based on bascially perfect ego/non ego balance. perfect in the human sense because perfect is a human word. in this case attainable when , among other things, all fears are understood and abolished, and unconditional love is ascertained, along with other things like the readiness(no, not eagerness) to die. (which means you have no fear of death, thus, no restrictions on shifting dimensions) And the merkaba principals are also the ones used in the government's "Philadelphia Experiment" (though Im sure many of us know).

Many websites are shlt. However i was trained by one from the drunvalo lineage....who is pretty much accepted to be True. i had the courtesy of meeting him last year...and he has an aura that looks like a snow angel. very visiible. He is like a modern day Ghandi. His site is Drunvalo.net though he hasnt taught merkaba in quite some time.

I do the Merkaba every day. And i can also astral project. i have had two kundalini releases, untrained. which is un heard of in the western world. Usually one has to do specific kundalini training, otherwise you have to "think it up" . It is the snake from the bible. And it is like nothing else you will experience in the physical body.(yes im pulling my own chain) so much so that it can be potentially dangerous, and many say fatal. I am now Vegetarian when i used to love meat. its not a taste or judgement call...it was almost a vibrational shift. an energetic shift in what the body is and what you long to rebuild it with. you want to get closer and closer to your true source. which is "light". plant matter doesnt even need to be digested really. it just basically falls apart in your body like legos, where as meat rots. it is a million times less dense than meat, and is the first step down from light energy itself.

I better stop before I'm up all night.

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]and I disagree, SFK...how could tool call Hicks 'another dead hero' and love his work...
then call him a fool martyr (amongst other things) in the second track?
i agree the clearvision...to me it feels more about people who expect to be glorified in death...
but as i'm thinking about this I'm reassessing...
the continuation of clearvision's quote "not all martyrs see divinity"
is "but at least you tried"
so who this figure or figure-type is, is someone who still gets repect from tool...
maybe the **** thing IS about hicks...
i must read it with a fresh head...with clear vision (hehe cheap shot i know)
i'll get back to you..[/QUOTE]
arguments like this is why maynard doesnt shed a lot of light on his lyrics. it would take away from the meaning if he said oh its just about hicks... or yea, its about jesus and the like. its about the principals... the principals.

[QUOTE=bebubly]anyone know where i can find out more about bill hicks and some of his material??

and to dead ohio sky...i guess the reason we feel so angry is because we feel we have been abandoned by that person, whether or not their death was their fault...and i guess if the person feeling the anger believes in a god they could also feel frustration towards their god for having that person taken away from them...but i'm not so sure about that because i'm not religious...but there's what i reckon...[/QUOTE]

Plus its not like tool was gonna make a slow song about it.

[QUOTE=Otherside]Unrelated to my last post: I just found something that relates to A perfect circles second album, 13th step. It has been theorized that the 13th step is about addiction to drugs, and the different steps invovled, and by the 13th step they have chosen to stop their addiction ect ect.

This is most likeley a coincidence but, the 13th amendment of the constitution abolishes slavery. In this case, it could relate to abolishing the slavery over the persons life by drugs. Am I reaching here?[/QUOTE]

it is from the 12 step rehab programs ....when someone is coming to the meetings but not really wanting to..kinda like faking it, and or not really wanting to get better, or going because you are sentenced to go but not ready to be rehabilitated, ..it is considered "13 stepping". But in this case its about rehab in general.

Now go listen to the album again.

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Really, as I said above, I find this one-upmanship about who's the most proper form of tool fan a bit pointless...
i know i'm a cranky old bitch, but i'm so sick of reading these debates...

SFK, is [I]holy blood & the holy grail[/I] good? I'll have to check it out...
I just started one of the other books on the tool reading list, [I]the wasp factory[/I] - its fiction by Iain Banks, quite good...only near the start but so far i'd recommend it to all toolheads..

SFK, or anyone for that matter, have you read the [I]Da Vinci Code[/I]?
In yesty's paper there was an article that the publishers of holy blood are suing the publishers of Da Vinci code because of similar ideas.
I haven't read either so I can't comment, but be interested to hear your opinions...[/QUOTE]

Have you heard that they are making a Da Vinci Code movie? i think Harrison Ford was said to be up for ...hell, i cant remember his name. the main guy in the book. the one searching... hell , sue me.

[QUOTE]originally posted by[B]Merkaba-1[/B]
[I]Have you heard that they are making a Da Vinci Code movie? i think Harrison Ford was said to be up for ...hell, i cant remember his name. the main guy in the book. the one searching... hell , sue me[/I].[/QUOTE]

Sounds great. The book was really good.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I'd like to make a few clarifications. the pineal gland is always stimulated. just not enough

There is no prerequisite when it comes to activating your merkaba. i.e. chromosome count or pineal work.(though the latter will start to become automatic)
[/QUOTE]

Yea, I realize the gland is always stimulated, it is not active would have been a better description.

I had always read that the only way to cycle the 3rd star tetrahedran was by activating the Pineal gland, which releases a hormone that changes your chromosomal count. I have also read that to transend into the 4th dimension that you must have a chromosomal make up of 46 and 2. Additionally I have read that people do transend the 3rd and 4th dimension quite frequently. I didn't want to write this here because most of the people here don't comprehend exactly what that is.

I would like to spend some time talkin with you. Shoot me your AIM name or give me a chat. My AIM name is SniffinLippy

Why do you have to take the conversation to AIM. I find this stuff really intresting and it's at my level for understanding. I can search for metaphysics and stuff but i cna never find anything i can digest. It's not like anyone will flame you in here etc, i can't see why you wouldn't like to share information and opinons.

There is alot of stuff that can't be discussed in a public forum tho.....

Ok…I have some ideas going about the song “h”…

Basically this is linked to the theory of h being about MJK’s son…i have just learnt about endothermic and exothermic reactions in chemistry…

I learnt that the energy stored in bonds is called enthalpy, for which the symbol is “h”…there is my first link between the two…aside from the letter h though, I feel that this links well because of the energy which MJK gives to his son and the new stance on life his son must give him…and I also believe that this song is very much about bonds, both between himself as a child and his parents/abuser, his past self and his current self and himself and his son…

Exothermic reactions release heat to the surroundings and in endothermic reactions heat is absorbed from the surroundings…I think that this relates to what MJK has had to take in through his life and what he is now having to give out…”my blood before me begs me open up my heart again”…

The energy changes are associated with making or breaking bonds…I feel that MJK is breaking the bonds with his past and making them with his son…changes in energy, emotions and thought processes are bound to be taking place…

Bond breaking is endothermic and so the change in enthalpy is positive…breaking the bonds between him and the bad parts of his past will create a positive future for both himself and his son…

Bond making is exothermic and releases energy…as MJK is releasing energy into his son…

A reaction is exothermic if a collection of weak bonds (his memories and past) are replaced by stronger ones (present and future with his son)…exothermic is the opposite…MJK is being held back by weak bonds…

Basically when I learnt this I immediately saw links between the song “h” and enthalpy (h)…the reaction, giving out and absorption of energy, the making and breaking of bonds, the positive and negative values and the replacement of weak by strong and vice versa seem to build on a reflect the already popular of this song being about MJK’s childhood and his son…


Any thoughts??

[QUOTE=Stagefrightken]There is alot of stuff that can't be discussed in a public forum tho.....[/QUOTE]

Especially when the government has an interest, and can detect the merkaba via satellite. (if you think thats a long shot, its not, especially when they said there were going to dedicate a satellite to pick up on the sound of a spray can, in order to curb down on graffitti in california. this was on CNN a few years ago)

if you really want some reading on metaphysics. go here. Warning, it can be the definition of "heady"

[url]http://rgrace.org/[/url]

stuff
 

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]For those who have Salival, click [URL=http://www.windowsmedia.com/mediaguide/albuminfo/?p_id=P++++23076&a_id=R+++508817&name=Tool]Here[/URL]

Is there secrets on there that I missed? Or are they talking rubbish?[/QUOTE]

they didn't show one of the songs from the album...

they're missing "Maynard's Dick" which comes after LAMC.

with that said, i think bebubly...you're on to something. i remember learing about about the enthalpy and would never've made the connection until you pointed it out. now i'm going to have to analize this for a while.

46+2
 

has anyone read up about the 46+2 theory?

i've been trying to find a good site to read up on it from but haven't yet.
hook a follower of enlightenment up..

Merkaba, I'm very intrigued by the stuff you're talking about, but a little lost. Anything online you can direct me to for more info?

[QUOTE=Reverend_Bob]has anyone read up about the 46+2 theory?

i've been trying to find a good site to read up on it from but haven't yet.
hook a follower of enlightenment up..[/QUOTE]

Do some research in this very thread....

hey...i spent quite a while writing what i wrote on the last page...and no one responded to it...anyone even care to read it?? please??

:upset: