[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]
Cradle of filth is far truer to black and goth metal than half the wannabes out there now (ie, the agony scene, dimmu, etc).
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Cradle of Filth are at least as "untrue" as Dimmu Borgir, especially if rumours about the new album are to be believed.

People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.

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[QUOTE=Bartender]Somewhere later in the thread. Use the search option.[/QUOTE]

That reminds me, myself and others are having problems with the Search function. It sits there for a while then tells us a fatal error occurred.

Anyway, the power metal definition is pretty deeply buried. If no one minds, I'd like to post my own definition here.

[U]Power Metal[/U]

Power Metal was largely inspired by the works of Iron Maiden and Ronnie James Dio. Helloween is often given credit for defining the genre as we know it today. Power metal is often scorned and laughed at by outsiders due to the over-the-top lyrics and high fantasy imagery. The music itself is typically defined by a driving rhythm section, usually featuring a lot of double bass drumming, and a tight sense of melody, thus requiring a high degree of technical skill and musicianship. The vocalists tend to be very diverse and it is difficult to find unifying themes across the genre, though a singer with a very strong, epic-sounding voice is common. The lyrical content of power metal often has high fantasy or sword & sorcery themes. Many power metal bands are known for an over-the-top stage presence. A prime example of which is Manowar, who have on two separate occassions broken the records as "The World's Loudest Band."

Notable Bands: Hammerfall, Blind Guardian, Helloween, Manowar, Nightwish, Rhapsody, (arguably) Iced Earth, Dragonforce


I hope that covers it.

EDIT: Corrected a rather embarassing factual error.

nightwish is not power metal it's symphonic metal... and Iced Earth is heavy metal

Nightwish is debatable, I guess. And I already said Iced Earth is arguable. They don't neatly fit into one genre like other bands do. I consider both bands power metal for the ambience and feel of the music.

Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy

I'd agree Iced Earth is debatable (always struck me as a thrash/power hybrid), but I thought Nightwish was fairly clear-cut symphonic metal.

Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.

I don't care that much :) Just dropped in my opinion.

cool reasearch

[QUOTE=RivFader]Iced Earth is arguable cus it's pretty much something between power and heavy[/QUOTE]

there is sooooo much more emphasis on thrash metal than power metal in that group.

[QUOTE=sickgoregrind]People who call Cradle of Filth black metal don't listen to black metal. 10 Seconds of Burzum would make them cry.[/QUOTE]

COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.

How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.

[QUOTE=FrailandBedazzled1979]COF have stated several times in the past few years "we have not been playing "black metal" since around 1994...dont call us that" yet people tend to blame the band.[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU thats what ive been trying to say on other threads

[QUOTE=jameschez]How can you put system of a down in a genre? they combine elements of all sections of rock...... except maybe prog rock! i dont think they are Nu metal! how can you compare them to the likes of Papa Roach?!

Apart from thata good, sound list.

I agree with you on metallica... there new stuff is really dissapointing.[/QUOTE]

Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?

[QUOTE=Imperial Necro]Well some may think that Cannibal Corpse shouldn't be grouped with Pantera.

However, they are both still metal, aren't they?

So shut the fu[SIZE=2]c[/SIZE]k up.[/QUOTE]


hey, linkin park is not metal at all. there is no way they can be classified with slipknot, no matter what kind of metal you think slipknot is. Linkin Park doesnt not even fit into any metal genre. So you can shut the **** up.

[QUOTE=Steerpike]Well, if you want I'll just edit the post. I've always considered Nightwish power metal, but given how volatile some personalities around here can get, I'd rather not spark another controversy. I swear the number of posts in this thread arguing about whether or not certain bands are nu-metal or not number into the triple digits.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally with calling Nightwish power metal. They just have a keyboard player with an interest in romantic/classical music, and an unusual vocalist. It sets them apart, but doesn't stop them being power metal.

Has anyone mentioned Liquid Metal? But the only band with that style of music that I know of is Tool, so that's probably why.

why the **** do you have to create new stupid sounding sub-genres in order to fit some certain groups under the label "metal"? Surprisingly I respect tool more that other "alternative" acts but for gods sake what makes them metal?

is slipknot nu-metal? i never knew...lol

great list.

pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it

Nu-Metal is starting to fade away actually

and that's a good thing

[QUOTE=loathed]pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it[/QUOTE]

If nu-metal is the future, then it only proves that I was born 400 years too late.

As King of Dudes has already pointed out, it's on its way out, anyway. Nu-metal is just another fad like the glam and grunge movements. Devoted fans will still listen to it, attend concerts, and buy any albums that the bands release down the road, but the musical scene will change.

The Scandinavian peninsula is having a black/death metal Renaissance. I'm not a particularly big fan of the genres, but I have to admit the bands coming out of there are quite talented.

Power metal is also having some time in the sun. It's getting really big in not only Europe, but South America and Japan as well. And some of the bands are starting to break into the US. I was pleasantly surprised to see Blind Guardian and Stratovarius at Best Buy not long ago.

But all of these things are temporary. People's tastes shift and change constantly because human beings are fickle at best. Nu-metal is [i]not[/i] the future, it is the present, and will soon be the past. You don't have to forsake the past, but it's pointless to continue treating it like it is still the present.

okay...its not the [B]future[/B] but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc. To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.

[QUOTE=loathed]okay...its not the [B]future[/B] but...look at nu-metal now...i mean...look at all the bands...Evanescence, slipknot, korn, SOAD, Linkin Park, Papa Roach...[/quote]

You could say the same about glam bands in the mid to late 80's.

[quote]i bet anyone band out of the 6 i've listed will beat 3 other sub-genre metal bands in terms of record sales...[/quote]

Black Sabbath
Judas Priest
Def Leppard
Van Halen
Metallica
Slayer
KISS

That's just off the top of my head. Now ask yourself... Can you honestly convince yourself that Papa Roach has sold more records than any single one of those bands?

Anyway, record sales are not exactly indicative of quality. Very often, they are a reflection of marketing. You don't need talent to get marketing. Just image.

[quote]okay so its not the future...its the present, but you cant say its fading away...Papa roach just came out with a really good album...etc etc.[/quote]

So they released an album. That doesn't exactly prove anything. A lot of bands continue recording even after the high day of their genre simply because they still have enough of a fanbase to justify it.

Case in point, the New Wave of British Heavy Metal movement is over, but Iron Maiden is still recording.

[quote]To put it simply, Yes, nu-metal may not be the future, but it sure is a present, addictive...simple...etc...etc...and you bet 30 years down the road, people will still remember nu-metal for what it is.[/QUOTE]

People will remember the nu-metal movement, though chances are it will be the same as glam and grunge: people will either fondly remember it, or thank whatever divine entities are up there that it ended.

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]Prog rock?!?! Do you even know what prog rock is?[/QUOTE]

Yes i do. The older bands form the 60's and 70's created the genre.... bands such as yes, wishbone ash, camel and rush. Into the 90s came dream theatre who have adapted prog rock and made it more heavy.

Judging from this forum, there is a growing trend of the 'prog intelligensia' (sarcasm); Anything with lots of incoherent wankery and songs which are long for the sake of being long has suddenly become a good thing, nevermind how little content there is in the music.

Alright, for one, A lot of those bands that you put in one genre of music are two diverse. Some of what you listed is plain out wrong. You need to either stop classifying it so much, or create a lot more genre groups. For a great example I see you mixing bands that shouldn't be near eachother, [B]some of these bands aren't even metal[/B].

To prove this farther classify:
Crossbreed
Susperia
Cradle of Filth
King Diamond
Avenged Sevenfold
Dope
Godhead
Drowning Pool
White Zombie
Lifeliss

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduck]NOTE: This is a very general guideline and not a definitive carved in stone definition. While I may put a band in with one genre, that doesn't mean that they might not fit into more than one sub-genre. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduck]Again...this is NOT a definitive list. It not by any stretch of the imagination complete. I'm sure if we really wanted to we could come up with a good 20 or so more sub-genres. It is meant as a general guideline[/QUOTE]

You're great at reading

I'm saying he was flat out wrong!!! You don't put those bands in the same category, period!
In other words, you [B]CAN'T[/B] classify those bands like that because it's not detailed enough.

Susperia - never heard em
Cradle of Filth - who knows what nowdays
King Diamond - Black Metallish
Avenged Sevenfold - Metalcore
Dope - never heard em
Godhead - never heard em
Drowning Pool - Numetal
White Zombie - never heard em
Lifeliss - never heard em

[url]www.metal-archives.com[/url] doesnt say nu-metal is a real genre of metal.

Some guy told me it's not the same thing as metalcore.

WTF? someone explain why its not real metal

who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?

Part of the whole metalcore New Wave of American Metal movement, I think. But im not sure as I havent heard them.

[QUOTE=loathed]pfft...[B]Nu-Metal is the future[/B]...so all of you who thinks it blows can blow yourself...stop dissing it[/QUOTE]

First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.

[QUOTE=corybott]First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. They dont belong in the same category at all. LP and P.R. arent metal at all, but if that what youre calling nu-metal, then new metal does blow. It takes nowhere near the amount of skill it takes to produce real metal, no matter what genre. These types of bands are so 'pop'ish they dont even deserve to be mentioned in this METAL forum.[/QUOTE]

Thank you for the completely original and never said response.

[QUOTE=corybott]First of all, it depends what you classify nu-metal as. I dont think Slipknot is nu-metal if you are gonna call Linkin Park and Papa Roach nu-metal as well. [/QUOTE]
If those are metal, then Slipknot should be called progressive death metal.

[QUOTE=bob the ripper apple.]who listens to God Forbid. i just got gone forever and i lovvve the guitar.... what would they be classified as?[/QUOTE]
i love gone forever, especially antihero, reminicent of arch enemy's ravenous

they are Melodic Thrash, Metalcore