[QUOTE=LP444ever]Yo i have a question, What exactly is progressive music? many people say opeth are, but my friend disagrees. He says its bands that make really fast music, like songs over 200 bpm, bands like necrophagist....but i highly doubt thats what prog music is, can someone shed some light over here?[/QUOTE]
Progressive the adjective is different from 'prog' the genre. Anything that is creative in a new way, breaking new ground, etc can be labelled as progressive; it is not, however, a genre. You can say that Opeth are progressive, along with, say, Borknagar. However, the term prog rock/metal whatever has come to mean a somewhat defined genre of music. Basically, if it sounds like Dream Theater or has the same basic characteristics, it's prog. That's why you can call Opeth progressive, but not prog metal, because they are doing something different, but they aren't prog genre.

Besides the fact that your friend has his definition all wrong, and that Necrophagist is technical death metal.

[QUOTE=Cardboard Headgear]Progressive the adjective is different from 'prog' the genre. Anything that is creative in a new way, breaking new ground, etc can be labelled as progressive; it is not, however, a genre. You can say that Opeth are progressive, along with, say, Borknagar. However, the term prog rock/metal whatever has come to mean a somewhat defined genre of music. Basically, if it sounds like Dream Theater or has the same basic characteristics, it's prog. That's why you can call Opeth progressive, but not prog metal, because they are doing something different, but they aren't prog genre.

Besides the fact that your friend has his definition all wrong, and that Necrophagist is technical death metal.[/QUOTE]

You know I don't think there's a true definition to it. We all have our own definitions I guess. I don't think Dream theater is the first prog rock/metal band, so I wouldn't say they are the best exampe of progressive music, but they definitely are prog to me.

I think of prog with crazy time signatures, amazingly talented musicians, fusion of musical styles, long songs.

Bands like Dream Theater, Symphony X, Ayreon, Pain of Salvation, Rush all fit the progressive rock/metal category in my view. I think Opeth are definitely progressive, but not in the same sense as these bands. But Opeth's music/composition is what counts most, so I don't what they are labeled as.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Curses rain down upon you! Dropped out of the clan AND Morningrise is their weakest album!!!!

Meh, I see where you're coming from. I've always thought that Morningrise had some of the best musical sections Opeth ever wrote hands down, but it also has some of the worst screaming and singing by Mikael, some of the least bit of coherency and tightness, the bass is virtuosic but weird, and the production is pretty terrible. The harmony riffs would sound so much cooler with a good corresponding powerchord underneath.


REMIX MORNINGRISE IS THE MESSAGE HERE. (edit)[/QUOTE]
I agree that Morningrise needs to be remixed or just totally rerecorded.
But it isn't their weakest album. Opeth hasn't made a bad album yet, but I think most people will agree that Morningrise is better than Orchid.

morningrise imo its their 2nd best album, though remixing it wud be mad. Its got probably the best ever opeth song on it, to bid you farewell, thats one fantastic song.

to bid you farewell is my favourite opeth song, but still, the album doesn't do enough for me, it's a great album, like, all the songs on it are awesome, but it still doesn't top my list, my top 3 are, Still Life, My arms your hearse, and Blackwater park

my order is
1- Blackwater Park
2- Morningrise
3- ****ation
4- Still Life
5- My Arms, Your Hearse
6- Orchid
7- Deliverance

Even though deliverance is last, its still a fantastic album, better than anything by metallica. And to this day i have only heard one opeth song which i dislike, Circle Of Tyrants

My top 5

1. BWP
2. Morningrise
3. Orchid
4. Still Life
5. ****ation

[QUOTE=opeth_oasis]my order is
1- Blackwater Park
2- Morningrise
3- ****ation
4- Still Life
5- My Arms, Your Hearse
6- Orchid
7- Deliverance

Even though deliverance is last, its still a fantastic album, better than anything by metallica. And to this day i have only heard one opeth song which i dislike, Circle Of Tyrants[/QUOTE]

dude, circle of the tyrants was a cover of 'circle of the tyrants' by celtic frost. celtic frost were more death metal IMO, that's why you probably didn't like it.

yeah i knew that it was a cover, just doesnt appeal to me

ah ok, kool. just checking buddy :thumb:

btw, how is it that nobody around here likes MAYH too much, it's great, it has demon of the fall, april ethereal, when, karma and credence on it, a ****ing brilliant work.

[QUOTE=Children of Opeth]I agree that Morningrise needs to be remixed or just totally rerecorded.
But it isn't their weakest album. Opeth hasn't made a bad album yet, but I think most people will agree that Morningrise is better than Orchid.[/QUOTE]

Morningrise is their best one compositionally. My post has a typo in it. It's just that Opeth hadn't fully developed the most important areas of their talent yet.

[QUOTE=Grey Incision]ah ok, kool. just checking buddy :thumb:

btw, how is it that nobody around here likes MAYH too much, it's great, it has demon of the fall, april ethereal, when, karma and credence on it, a ****ing brilliant work.[/QUOTE]

I love MAYH, it has a more mysterious mellow feel to the album, and the album concept is pretty cool, the lyrics are fantastic.

**** oath, i'll drink to that mate :chug:

MAYH is the only Opeth I don't own :'(

get it, i can gaurantee you it will thoroughly own you :thumb:

I think morningrise is fine the way it is, except that it sounds a bit raw, but it still has a good atmosphere to it.

[QUOTE=Iron Man]MAYH is the only Opeth I don't own :'([/QUOTE]
I own it!!

MAYH is pretty good and demon of the fall is my favourite heavy song by opeth. I also really like the remember tomorow song that they covered off iron maiden, its a dissapointing iron maiden song(the ONLY dissapointing song) but was made good with the vocals suiting mikael's voice.

Morning rise is argueably their best album.

yeah the more i listen the more i love it, its tieing now with BWP in my fav album. Black rose immortal just amazes me, beautiful variation of soft and heavy singing

i never knew this till now but did you know that MAYH is actually a long story, like still life, i found this at sonicdeath.com:
The story tells of a man that died prematurely before being stranded on earth in his spirit form. His attempts to keep his grasp on the physical world are futile — all he can do is watch the world through spring to winter as his lover's devotion to him melts away in front of his very eyes.

Morningrise, Orchid, etc for me are just too unfocused. Alot of it was just heavy music with acoustic breaks thrown in there just to jolt you and surprise you, but at times it didn't really make sense. With Still Life, BWP, etc, you can trace the path back....you just never see it coming the first time. For their first albums, it was enough to have random acoustic breaks, because it was unique, but then they decided that they had to actually make it WORK. For me, Opeth's early career was a process of heavy experimentation and then applying what was learned through experimentation in the later masterpieces, Still Life and Blackwater Park. Now, they've started to experiment again with Deliverance/****ation...I'm thinking that they're going to have a few more albums that are REALLY different as the band continues to experiment, and then there's going to put out another masterpiece that's going to just blow us all away. Don't get me wrong, I like to listen to the early stuff, there's some really beautiful music in there, but it was too unfocused for me to put it on par to Still Life.

Advent is the most focused song (imo) from the first two albums, as in all the breaks and changes seem like they absolutely belong there. To Bid You Farewell is also really cohesive, but at the same time it has this really meandering quality to it that I find fascinating.

one song that i find odd, it's not my favourite opeth song by any stretch of the imagination, but the little solo around 7:44 in the twilight is my robe, just after the acoustic section, it isn't an exceedingly difficult solo, but it just sounds amazing, probably one of my favourite moments in all the opeth songs.

what do you think makes black rose immortal so appealing to everybody?

I like the changes in tempo and sound. It's like reading a book while listening to a song. Lots of good riffs and whatnot also.

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[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Morningrise, Orchid, etc for me are just too unfocused. Alot of it was just heavy music with acoustic breaks thrown in there just to jolt you and surprise you, but at times it didn't really make sense. With Still Life, BWP, etc, you can trace the path back....you just never see it coming the first time. For their first albums, it was enough to have random acoustic breaks, because it was unique, but then they decided that they had to actually make it WORK. For me, Opeth's early career was a process of heavy experimentation and then applying what was learned through experimentation in the later masterpieces, Still Life and Blackwater Park. Now, they've started to experiment again with Deliverance/****ation...I'm thinking that they're going to have a few more albums that are REALLY different as the band continues to experiment, and then there's going to put out another masterpiece that's going to just blow us all away. Don't get me wrong, I like to listen to the early stuff, there's some really beautiful music in there, but it was too unfocused for me to put it on par to Still Life.[/QUOTE]

Dude you make alota sence!!
And you r right about experimenting with their new albulms
I've heard that they are combining deathmetal with gregorian chants!!
Freaky but so BRILLIANT!!
I just love this band!!! :D

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Morningrise, Orchid, etc for me are just too unfocused. Alot of it was just heavy music with acoustic breaks thrown in there just to jolt you and surprise you, but at times it didn't really make sense. With Still Life, BWP, etc, you can trace the path back....you just never see it coming the first time. For their first albums, it was enough to have random acoustic breaks, because it was unique, but then they decided that they had to actually make it WORK. For me, Opeth's early career was a process of heavy experimentation and then applying what was learned through experimentation in the later masterpieces, Still Life and Blackwater Park. Now, they've started to experiment again with Deliverance/****ation...I'm thinking that they're going to have a few more albums that are REALLY different as the band continues to experiment, and then there's going to put out another masterpiece that's going to just blow us all away. Don't get me wrong, I like to listen to the early stuff, there's some really beautiful music in there, but it was too unfocused for me to put it on par to Still Life.[/QUOTE]

I would agree. But good God Almighty, they have got a truckload of beautiful music throughout Morningrise. The harmonized acoustics in particular blow me away every time.

I have a question.Does Mikael Akerfeldt write all the music?Or at least the majority of it?He is the only one credited in the Deliverance/****ation booklets.Can someone please verfiy if this is true?If so, Mikael Akerfeldt=God.