[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are not symphonic black metal.[/QUOTE]

someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?

[QUOTE=the pet beaver on bass]someone said they were now this thread is confusing me, then what would they be and what are some more bands like them?[/QUOTE]

Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Lacuna Coil is gothic metal while Nightwish is just plain symphonic metal, there is a difference.

For a good example of Symphonic black metal check out this songs/bands...

Arcturus - Fall of Man
Emperor - The loss and Curse of Reverence
Blood Stained Dusk - Funeral Lamentation
Dimmu Borgir - Progenies of the Great Apocalypse (As much as i hate to recomend it)[/QUOTE]

:thumb: thanks man, ill stay on the straight and narrow from now on

ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)

[QUOTE]ps what are some gothic metal bands then (i know someones must have posted it earlier but i dont feel like reading 34 pages)[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't be able to tell you many gothic metal bands past Lacuna Coil, that's not really my genre of music.

would my dying bride be considered goth metal?

[QUOTE]would my dying bride be considered goth metal?[/QUOTE]

Nope, they are doom metal.

Very gothic though.

i learned something today as i took a step out of the punk forum

What about grindcore
 

What about grindcore?

the search feature does wonders

[QUOTE=Jondur]Grindcore:

As it's name suggests, grindcore is an extension of the UK hardcore scene of the early 80's. It's roots lie mainly with Discharge but also Chaos UK, Crass, The Exploited etc. Songs are predominantly short (taken to the extreme by the likes of Napalm Death - Dead is 6 seconds long - and Sore Throat who had 101 songs on Never Mind the Napalm.... here's Sore Throat), with punk structures. The music is simple, based around a few chords. It is , most importantly, fast. Very fast. It was grindcore that had the first blast beats (It was Pete Sandoval who introduced them to Death Metal when he left Terrorizer to join Morbid Angel). Lyrics are usually socio-political. Sometimes with a vegan or straight-edge slant.

Important bands include: Terrorizer, Napalm Death, Brutal Truth, Extreme Noise Terror, Bolt Thrower, Sore Throat, Old Lady Drivers, A$$uck, Nausea, Black Army Jacket, CSSO.

Goregrind is a subgenre that keeps the punky structure of Grindcore but adds more of a death metal influence. Lyrics are always about gorey killing etc.

See: Carcass, Repulsion, Agoraphobic Nosebleed etc[/QUOTE]

What about folk/viking, atmostpheric, avante-garde, electronic, technical, gothic, metal core, sludge, NWOBHM, hardcore, neoclassical, ambient, groove, stoner, brutal, post thrash, and industrial?

You either fortgot them, or they're too specific.

Also, what's the difference between speed and thrash?

[url]www.metal-archives.com[/url] makes you think there is a difference.

Do you not think that in 850+ posts of this thread, the vast majority of those haven't already been tackled?

And anyway, it was said in the first post of the thread that it's a basic guide, not an exhaustive one.

Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
[U]Factors[/U]
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that [I]caused[/I] the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than [I]off[/I] of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of [I]inexistence[/I] , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.

[QUOTE=Phil Anselmo]Yes, I was just making sure that the integral purpose of the resounding effect, demonstrates a comprehension of inexorability, forthcoming from the primeval resolution, leading one to belevie that the purpose of the action of being, is the doing, or making. Anotherwords, one will suspect that cause is redundant, causing simplistic events to occur, even in the most mundane scenarios. Thus creating an equilibrium among understanding and cause, but not contradicting the common instrumentation, i.e. the insinuation of random events, chosen at a leven of subconsiousness, creating fluxuations of even the most random events.
[U]Factors[/U]
1.The purpose of the insinuation was to creat a balance between the existing contradictions, and the events that [I]caused[/I] the inbalance in the first place.
2.The random events outside of the ocurances, exponentially increase with the mundance events happening inside the plane of existence.
3.The occurances will inexoraby come to pass onto the plane, rather than [I]off[/I] of it.
4.Denial of the primeval repellant will be impossible; it would eradicate the pupose of the integral insinuation in the first place.
5.Randoms event can be, but only within the confines of reality, creating a neutral existence of [I]inexistence[/I] , simultaneously balancing the scale of events.
6.Generally, one would strive to think existence can only be, and it is imossible for inexistence to be, which cloaks the illusion of reality, and impossibiltiy.

Well I hope this helped you to understand why I said what I said.[/QUOTE]

That made about as much sense as the dialogue of the Matrix movies.

Prodigous. Simply prodigous.

i like i like good job :thumb:

I smell a device! Please, go on!

Perfecto :thumb:

what about Sevendust what genre of metal would ya'll "label" them as

I disagree with the term "thrash metal." That genre is "speed metal." Thrash is bands like DRI and COC and was a crossover genre; speed metal is the genre from Metallica onward that didn't quite make it to death metal.

Otherwise, nice list! And I agree about nu-metal... blecch!

Also, I'm not sure NSBM bands hate anyone of non-Aryan descent. More likely, they seem to want an Aryans only homeland in Northern Europe, and for the rest of us to go back to wherever is most appropriate. It's more important to listen to healthy nationalistic bands like Immortal, Burzum, Enslaved and Bathory.

Well I always thought that speed was something like "proto power" ala walls of jericho or battalions of fear for example.

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

What is 'brutal" metal?

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

What is "Raw" metal?

What is neoclassical?

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

What is "Darkwave" metal?

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

What is "Sludge" metal?

What is "Ambient" metal?

What is "Experimental"?

What is "Groove" metal?

What is "Technical" metal?

I'd really appreciate if someone could help me define these styles of metal.

Use the search button.

[QUOTE=Per Ardua Ad Astra]Use the search button.[/QUOTE]
Gee, and I thought I was lazy...

cool list. i like viking/folk metal. elvenking :thumb:

he did talk about power metal if you didnt read all of it its not his fault and the core bull or the hardcore (same****) suk *** and yes i would like to rename nu- metal too and name it nu-sh1t

What is the difference between speed, thrash, half-thrash, thrashcore, and post-thrash?

I know people who say thrash metal is a mix of speed metal and punk, but then, they might be talking bollocks. I really don't know. They're both pretty similar anyway. Post-thrash, I guess, is thrash- influenced music after the glory era of thrash (so relying heavily on open E riffing and such). Thrashcore, I really couldn't say. Most of the time, you can just take any genre you like and add -core at the end.

What is 'brutal" metal?

Brutal is usually death/black/grindcore, all that stuff, the most extreme side of metal.

What is grindcore, metalcore, Mallcore, and hardcore?

Grindcore is short bursts of noise rarely lasting over a minute, with (in the old Earache days anyway) terrible production and sometimes political protest lyrics (old Napalm Death, for instance). Mallcore is nu metal, basically; what all the kids who hang out at the mall listen to (I live in England so we don't really have that concept here). Hardcore is an evolution of punk with harder, faster guitars, eg. Minor Threat. Metalcore is hardcore with metal elements added.

What is "Avant-Garde" metal?

I've heard both Arcturus and Mr Bungle described as avant-garde metal, so I think it's just a style of metal which incorporates a lot of other styles of music as well.

What is "Atmospheric" metal?

Most black metal is fairly atmospheric, I don't know about the genre atmospheric metal on its own.

What is "Raw" metal?

The production on black metal records is often described as raw, because it has a very low budget sound. Again, I don't know about the genre "raw metal".

What is neoclassical?

Neoclassical uses classical influences and puts them into metal-styled songs, eg. Yngwie Malmsteen, Ozzy Osbourne to an extent.

What is NWOBHM, and what does it stand for?

NWOBHM stands for New Wave Of British Heavy Metal, it's stuff like Iron Maiden, all the British metal of that era.

What is "Darkwave" metal?

I guess Mortiis is kind of darkwave, it's new wave influenced, but with a dark edge. I never really considered it metal, if that's what it is.

What is the difference between "electronic" metal, and "industrial" metal?

I think (but I'm not sure) electronic uses programmed drum machines, samples, etc. more prominently than industrial metal, which uses palm muting to get machine-like sounds. But I really don't know, I may well be wrong.

What is "Sludge" metal?

I've heard Sunn O))) called sludge, so if that's sludge, sludge is incredibly slow, droning music, like slowed-down doom metal.

What is "Ambient" metal?

Not sure, but a lot of BM contains ambient parts.

What is "Experimental"?

Experimental is exactly what it says on the tin. Anything which differentiates somewhat from what a band's contemporaries are doing at the time.

What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.

What is "Technical" metal?

Technical metal is anything using odd time changes, song structures etc. Meshuggah is a good example.

Sorry if I got any of these wrong, genre categorisation isn't really my field of expertise.

[QUOTE=craggyisland]What is "Groove" metal?

I've heard Pantera described as groove metal, but that's all I know about it.
[/QUOTE]

Check out Down (featuring Pantera singer Phil Anselmo) and White Zombie's album "La Sexorcisto", that should give you a pretty good idea.

In essential, it can be described as metal on pot, or, perhaps not as accurately, psychedelic heavy metal.

Try listening to down's album "Nola" when you're drunk, and you'll see what I mean

Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.

[QUOTE=psychoticreflex]Hey, if you could clear my mind in something, I would be grateful.
They're not my fave band, but I like some of their musics;
Which type of metal could you integrate Children Of Bodom and Synergy in?
I've heard they're black metal-like, i've heard they'r epic metal-like, so I'm a bit confused.
Since my favorite band is Dream theater, I can obviously see the differences between each style of musical accomplishment.
Anyways, it's just curiosity, no special reason about knowing these details, just for personal information, so, if you don't want to, you don't have to do the explanation too much detailed.

Later.[/QUOTE]

Dunno. Prolly something like Synth-powered Death. Def. not black, althought the evil and satanic references are all over the place