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MRDuCran 12-16-2005 06:59 PM

Indeed, I'm always dropping to drop C to play Hatecrew Deathroll/Are You Dead Yet material, D standard for Follow the Reaper/Hatebreeder material and E standard to practise.

I'm Charming 12-16-2005 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]Indeed, I'm always dropping to drop C to play Hatecrew Deathroll/Are You Dead Yet material, D standard for Follow the Reaper/Hatebreeder material and E standard to practise.[/QUOTE]

If my tuner doesn't have C on it. What would be the easist way to drop down to CGCFAD?

BoboTheRagingHobo 12-16-2005 07:06 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I don't really care about picks. I've come to realize that I do enjoy playing with picks that have some sort of grip on them instead of purely glossed picks.[/QUOTE]


Have you tried the Dunlop Gator Grip picks? They are quite awesome.

And for picks, I will not use any pick under 1.0 mm but I prefer using 2.0 mm picks.
all my friends use these thin as hell picks and I don't see how they can use such annoying things. /random fact : the guys from KSE play with 3.0 mm picks which are extremely think feeling heh

And if you do alot of playing sitting down, a RR Jackson is not a way to go. They are very annoying to play while sitting down, even in the classical position.

Man Made God : Does you Jackson have active EMG's in it?

I want a second guitar, so I can have alternate tuning when ever I need it with out tuning it all the time with different gauge strings and such. /drools over the Schecter Hellraiser in see-through black cherry finish

/currently in standard B with 10 guage strings on my schecter heh

I'm Charming 12-16-2005 07:08 PM

Oh god. I just was on amazon and saw this review of CoB's AYDY.

Here, have a laugh.


CoB sounding like mallcore? I think this idiot spent to much time in hot topic... or something.


0 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
This is not Children of Bodom!!!!, December 5, 2005
Reviewer: critico constructivo (PR) - See all my reviews
Is hard to say this: this album is boring, uninspirational and their sound is like another mallcore band, is hard but is true. Please, make yourself a favor and stay away of this and try: Mors Principium Est, Kalmah, Norther and Skyfire for great melodic death metal with no complaints. You thank's me later!!!

BoboTheRagingHobo 12-16-2005 07:12 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]
0 of 3 people found the following review helpful:
This is not Children of Bodom!!!!, December 5, 2005
Reviewer: critico constructivo (PR) - See all my reviews
Is hard to say this: this album is boring, uninspirational and their sound is like another mallcore band, is hard but is true. Please, make yourself a favor and stay away of this and try: Mors Principium Est, Kalmah, Norther and Skyfire for great melodic death metal with no complaints. You thank's me later!!![/QUOTE]


I find it funnier that he called Kalmah, Norther and Skyfire melodic death...

And he is right about the album minus the mallcore part, as there is no such thing as the term mallcore for a genre.

MRDuCran 12-16-2005 07:15 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]If my tuner doesn't have C on it. What would be the easist way to drop down to CGCFAD?[/QUOTE]

No C on a tuner....!!!

Well,

Hold the 2nd fret and tune THAT to D

or

Hold the 4th fret and tune THAT to E:

4th fret = E
3rd fret = D#
2nd fret = D
1st fret = C#
0pen = C

Geddit?

Then tune open A string to the same pitch as the low E string, 7th fret.

Then tune the rest of the guitar as normal (5th fret method).

I'm Charming 12-16-2005 07:16 PM

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]I find it funnier that he called Kalmah, Norther and Skyfire melodic death...

And he is right about the album minus the mallcore part, as there is no such thing as the term mallcore for a genre.[/QUOTE]

Mallcore are the "badass's" who walk around dressed in their CoF shirts and trying to look cool for five hours....

Aren't those power metal?
AYDY is good but not their best.

I'm Charming 12-16-2005 07:19 PM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]No C on a tuner....!!!

Well,

Hold the 2nd fret and tune THAT to D

or

Hold the 4th fret and tune THAT to E:

4th fret = E
3rd fret = D#
2nd fret = D
1st fret = C#
0pen = C

Geddit?[/QUOTE]


Yes sir.

MRDuCran 12-16-2005 07:21 PM

Also, if you have powertab or guitar pro, you can use that. On the guitar tuning section, it gives you the option to play the note.

BoboTheRagingHobo 12-16-2005 07:21 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]Mallcore are the "badass's" who walk around dressed in their CoF shirts and trying to look cool for five hours....

Aren't those power metal?
AYDY is good but not their best.[/QUOTE]


I know what mallcore is supposed to mean, but it is not a genre.

Using mallcore as an insult or as a genre is absurd and is beyond stupid. There are more people at the mall then just those wanna-be "goths" people, jesus.

And yes, those bands are considered power metal with harsh vocals. And AYDY is not good, it is horrible.

Shadows 12-16-2005 07:31 PM

I get very discouraged at all the disbelief towards the new album. The way I percieve it, most people dislike the album because they were expecting more power metal, and nothing new. This album was a very drastic change in the band's sound, so naturally people will be shocked and unprepared. But the immediate disregard of a non-power metal Children of Bodom seems like a discredit to the band. People dub the new album "uninspired" and "simple". To me, this could not be farther from the truth. After so many years of making their legendary power metal, the band felt it was time to break out of the boundaries that critics had put around them and make something new and innovative. No band has ever done anything remotely like [I]Are You Dead Yet[/I], least of all the American "metalcore" bands that I hear them compared to every once in a great while. Aside from the new sense of creativity put forth, the album is not the least bit simplistic in the music. I often lay and just listen to this through headphones - it's amazing what you can pick up from music when you're up close and without distraction, especially music as multi-dimensional as this. Listening to the layering of the guitar riffs and the keyboard arrangements, I can honestly say that this is the most technical album they've ever made. I'm sure many disagree simply because of the lack of neoclassical lead guitar that Alexi is famous for, but they're merely talking themselves out of a huge treat. As a guitarist, I enjoy the new album just as much, and in many ways more than their older records.
Lead guitar is intertwined with heavier riffing throughout in such a way that the technicality of it is often subtle, yet defined. In songs like the title track, [I]Bastards of Bodom[/I], or [I]We're Not Gonna Fall[/I] I was not only impressed at the talent involved in the palying, but also the level of maturity that the band has adapted to in playing lower, heavier music. Nothing has been dumbed down. The instruments are playing things they haven't even considered for over a decade, and as a result, they've come up with music that nobody ever thought would come from this band, I say they deserve every ounce of credit they get for this record. If they become more popular than ever, then it's good to see that creative and talented bands are finally getting recognition for what they do. I would have no problem whatsoever watching this band, who happens to be my favorite, go further down this route and experiment even more. Some bands seem worn out after they do their thing and then try in vain to do something new, but with the newest album, it seems that CoB is making a fresh start for themselves.

Wow, that was long.

[QUOTE=MRDuCran]No C on a tuner....!!![/QUOTE]
Not every tuner is chromatic. My first tuner only had the 6 open notes.

MRDuCran 12-16-2005 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]
Not every tuner is chromatic. My first tuner only had the 6 open notes.[/QUOTE]
Good point, so did mine.

BoboTheRagingHobo 12-16-2005 07:48 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]/big thing on AYDY
[/QUOTE]


I find the album to be lacking any instance of being memorable or worth being listened to over and over. I have nothing against bands changing their sound in little steps or in giant steps, but they did not pull off the change in sound on this album. Maybe later albums will prove their change in sound to be successful, but not this one.

And I personally enjoy bands who change over time, but that is if they do it correctly.

And quite frankly, I could care less about how technical a band or an album is. The ability to have solid song writing is what I look for, and that is where they fall short on this album, by a long shot.

And to put it short, just because it is new/original/different/creative doesn't mean it is always good.

Shadows 12-16-2005 07:57 PM

I can understand that. People are of course entitled to opinions, and no two people will percieve the album the same way. Most of the negative opinions I read about seem to embody the "it's not power metal, it's not CoB" philosophy, and I think that's a terrible methodology to follow. I can't account for everyone who hears it, but I'm disappointed nonetheless that so many turn their back on it, even if it is for perfectly valid reasons.

Creativity and technicality don't make an album, but they sure help. When a band tries to do the same thing for their entire career, they become worthless over time. I'd much rather have them progress from Something Wild to Are You Dead Yet then to have them release Follow the Reaper for another ten years, but I've come to realize that many just aren't as open to such an extreme change.

I'm Charming 12-16-2005 08:46 PM

It really took a while to grow on me. I hated AYDY with a passion at first. After listening to it a few times, I began to find songs I really liked. The rest grew on me. The only songs I don't like on AYDY are, In Your Face and Next In Line.
They are bland and boring.

To comment towards what shadows said,

If you listen as to how each albums differers, you will see each album got heavier each time.

Something wild is very raw. Hatebreeder had extensive melodies but was heavier.
Follow the reaper is where what I'm talking about really shows,
It's heavy, the hardest stuff to date at that point. It retains it's sense of melody and power metal.
Songs like, Everytime I die and Follow The reaper really show the progression towards a heavier sound. Next comes,Hate Crew Deathroll,
Songs like Bodom Beach Terror and Sixpounder show a further turn towards a heavier sound.
Then follows AYDY.
People shouldn't act shocked and cry foul. If you listen to all their albums and songs, they clearly have built towards a heavier sound.

PsychoticFlubber 12-16-2005 09:14 PM

[QUOTE=Man_Made_God]It really took a while to grow on me. I hated AYDY with a passion at first. After listening to it a few times, I began to find songs I really liked. The rest grew on me. The only songs I don't like on AYDY are, In Your Face and Next In Line.
They are bland and boring.

To comment towards what shadows said,

If you listen as to how each albums differers, you will see each album got heavier each time.

Something wild is very raw. Hatebreeder had extensive melodies but was heavier.
Follow the reaper is where what I'm talking about really shows,
It's heavy, the hardest stuff to date at that point. It retains it's sense of melody and power metal.
Songs like, Everytime I die and Follow The reaper really show the progression towards a heavier sound. Next comes,Hate Crew Deathroll,
Songs like Bodom Beach Terror and Sixpounder show a further turn towards a heavier sound.
Then follows AYDY.
People shouldn't act shocked and cry foul. If you listen to all their albums and songs, they clearly have built towards a heavier sound.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's true. It is obvious. But I am going to have to say everyone who does not like their new album shut just quit complaining, because it does no good. I don't like their new album as much as the old stuff, but guess what guys, IT IS STILL MUSIC! I am sorry if anyone can't accept the fact that it is Bodom, but please accept the fact that it is music. If you like it or not. I do like it, but I don't bother comparing it to the other Bodom records. Even their new cd is better than most of the other bands out there, so be greatful.

IheartSP 12-17-2005 12:37 PM

I'm somewhere inbetween Bobo and ShadowsFallen.

Now everything I could say or know about the album aside, I listen to the other albums equally about 10x more than AYDY. I can say what I want, but the facts show there I obviously don't prefer it. Compared to the others do I think it is a good album? Honestly no I don't. If I did, it would have equal play time to the others, so as far as my opinion goes I think the facts really tell it. As far as technicality, the solos are as hard as they ever were, they have always had pretty tough solos, they've never made them any easier or harder. The leads, not nearly as tough as some Hatebreeder stuff, try playing the chorus lead to Downfall and you'll have your hands in a knot, but something like Bastards of Bodom won't be nearly as challenging, although still pretty up there. The riffs they had were never challenging, and if anything are more technical than before, but they definately go towards a heavier sound. The thing is, their old stuff was [I]original[/I]. The whole heavy riffing thing has been done by countless American bands, and a lot of Bodoms riffs are pretty bland cliches *coughwerenotgonnafallcough*. The blend of Black and Power metal in the earlier albums is really what I think made them so great, so you can't quite disregard the genre change like some of you do. The small black metal influence that had in the drums and vocals is gone, and the large power metal influence they had in the guitars and keyboards had been diminished to almost nothing. Would I really consider AYDY to be Bodom? I don't think so. If you asked someone who'd never heard the band before to listen to Warheart and then In Your Face my guess is the majority wouldn't say it's the same band. I think that is pretty good evidence right there that the style change is drastic enough to completely excuse the "AYDY haters". Personally I think the band devolved, not evolved. AYDY is 75% American Metal, and I think dedicated fans to Bodom and to Power Metal will all tell you European Metal >>>>>> American Metal. And although the songs are equally as complicated to play as the old stuff, writing them would be a signifigant amount easier. The riffing style in the new album as Bobo said is bland for the most part, and a lot of it is overused C power chords and slight ripoffs of new American metal bands. To my ears which I would consider as far as metal goes, "european ears", the riffing on the new album is just boring and seems to go out of it's way to be heavy. The attitude that the music gives off, we may not realize, has been their from the start. Power Metal in music Bodom may have been, but the lyrics with the exception of possibly Warheart and Deadnight Warrior, were very closely related to Punk. The music now I say completely fits the lyrics and has that "in your face" (no pun intended) attitude. I think this is kind of what Bodom has been going for all along, and as ManMadeGod had said, they have only been getting heavier as they go along. I honestly think the first 3 albums were a fluke, and Alexi was going through some kind of phase. The new stuff is where his heart is, and it's almost like a girl leading you on, because now we have this old Bodom that a lot of us love and cherish but we realized that's not where they were actually planning on going. In conclusion, you can say what you want about AYDY, but I think that each side has a full right to their opinion. The haters have a completely valid reason to hate, and you can not pass off their love for the old genre. The people who don't hate it also have full reason to not hate it because it does give off the message and attitude Bodom originally intended for, and of course the exagerations that it is just "metalcore" are not true, although it is in that direction it is nowhere near the degree of metalcore, just in the realm of current American Metal.

If I cared as much about school as I did about Bodom I'd probably be writing better papers...

IheartSP 12-17-2005 01:22 PM

I just notiiced that the solo in Concrete Malformation by Stone sounds so similar to the solo in Wrath Within.

Shadows 12-17-2005 01:37 PM

Alexi is a huge Stone fan..

MRDuCran 12-17-2005 03:21 PM

I learnt the interlude part of Wrath Within a few days ago, so cool.

IheartSP 12-17-2005 03:58 PM

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Alexi is a huge Stone fan..[/QUOTE]
Just pointing it out if anyone was curious

Lil’ Bloodred Ridin’ Hood 12-17-2005 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=IheartSP]Just pointing it out if anyone was curious[/QUOTE]


I was curious and very intregued :p but tbh i really didnt know that dk why i didnt :confused: and omg im so envious january is comeing up and i know ppl who are going to cob concerts in january :(

Scoot 12-17-2005 08:34 PM

To all those who whine: AYDY is not Hatebreeder!

BoboTheRagingHobo 12-17-2005 08:36 PM

[QUOTE=Scoot]To all those who whine: [b]AYDY is not Hatebreeder![/b][/QUOTE]


Thanks for point out the fu[SIZE="2"]cking obvious here sh[/SIZE]it wit.

Britton 12-17-2005 08:45 PM

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Thanks for point out the fu[SIZE="2"]cking obvious here sh[/SIZE]it wit.[/QUOTE]


That made me laugh so hard

I'm Charming 12-17-2005 09:33 PM

[QUOTE=Britton]That made me laugh so hard[/QUOTE]

I lol'd also.

Scoot 12-17-2005 10:23 PM

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Thanks for point out the fu[SIZE="2"]cking obvious here sh[/SIZE]it wit.[/QUOTE]

I assume you understand what I mean.

dest. Chaos 12-18-2005 12:06 PM

[QUOTE=Scoot]To all those who whine: AYDY is not Hatebreeder![/QUOTE]
whaaaaaat? are you sure?

Shadows 12-18-2005 12:10 PM

This is one saaaaaaaad conversation.

AA-12 12-18-2005 12:27 PM

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]Thanks for point out the fu[SIZE="2"]cking obvious here sh[/SIZE]it wit.[/QUOTE]
Even though we have our disagreements, I love you for posts like this.


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