[QUOTE=floyd.the.barber]i hope the next album is better than st anger, the songs on that go on too long and get annoying :wave:[/QUOTE]

The songs are the same length as Metallica's older stuff. Do you think their work on AJFA, MOP, KEM, or RTL was boring?

speaking of songs sounding similar, anyone ever noticed that blackened and battery are very similar? My cousin and I call them the sister songs. lol

Fade to Black, One, and Sanitarium all use the same chord in the intro/beginning.

Generally every Metallica song is written in the same key.

Sounds like it.

Nah...not every. Just many...

E and F are the most common Metallica chords.

Yep I noticed, hell Lars was ready to sue some canadian band for using the E chord too much.

"We're known for using the E chord."

Was that sarcasm?

...No, that was some joke started after he sued napster... that they were sueing some canadian band over use of those chords.

I know, I saw the joke site. I was just wondering If Mr. Che knew it was a joke :)

Ride The Lightning is my opinion has too many filler tracks to be a great album.

:lol: Lol evidently not

[QUOTE=clown_phobia]Ride The Lightning is my opinion has too many filler tracks to be a great album.[/QUOTE]

Are you mad?!

Which ones do you like and which do you consider fillers? :amaze:

[QUOTE=munky_magik]I know, I saw the joke site. I was just wondering If Mr. Che knew it was a joke :)[/QUOTE]

Actually I didn't, considering I skimmed the article on whatever site I found it on eons ago. So now for my ignorance...

*Dips his head in acid

[QUOTE=acefrehleyjendell]I thought the black album was kinda pompous.
I actually liked Re-Load better than Black.[/QUOTE]

i c iv bn overuled by every1, i can take but im still stikn 2 s&M, anyway i actually thought that load and reload wer both pretty bad compared 2 the uthrs

[QUOTE=Mister_Che]Fade to Black, One, and Sanitarium all use the same chord in the intro/beginning.[/QUOTE]

I was going to say that, but this history essay got in the way.

Filler tracks on RTL: Trapped under Ice and Escape.
Not classics like every other song on the album.


[I]I need sleep :upset: [/I]

[QUOTE=jonoslennos]i c iv bn overuled by every1, i can take but im still stikn 2 s&M, anyway i actually thought that load and reload wer both pretty bad compared 2 the uthrs[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=6][B]For God's sake, type properly![/B][/SIZE]

Thank you

[QUOTE=jonoslennos]i c iv bn overuled by every1, i can take but im still stikn 2 s&M, anyway i actually thought that load and reload wer both pretty bad compared 2 the uthrs[/QUOTE]

Come now, good sir. This isn't a race to see who can type the fastest. Take your time and type out words so noone mistakes you for a 9 year old.




























You are over 9 right?

[QUOTE=Burdcheese]I was going to say that, but this history essay got in the way.

Filler tracks on RTL: Trapped under Ice and Escape.
Not classics like every other song on the album.


[I]I need sleep :upset: [/I][/QUOTE]

Fair enough, but like you said... all the others are classics :thumb:

James hates Escape and Jump in The Fire :lol: Watch Live S[SIZE=2]h[/SIZE]it to see what I mean

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]Fair enough, but like you said... all the others are classics :thumb:

James hates Escape and Jump in The Fire :lol: Watch Live S[SIZE=2]h[/SIZE]it to see what I mean[/QUOTE]

Everyone in the band hated Kirk's Unforgiven solo when he first played it for him.

Very true.

Kirk wrote the Enter Sandman riff, dontcha know...

Fernandes Power,
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I have Live $hit, where does he say that he hates Jump In The Fire???

Before one of the songs later on (I think its Master of Puppets) Kirk and Lars play the opening of both and James is just like "Haha, shut the hell up... dont play none of that pop s'hit"

Metallica Petition
 

[quote]To:* James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammett, and Robert Trujillo of Metallica, Metallica Inc., and Q. Prime Inc.

Attention: James Hetfield, Lars Ulrich, Kirk Hammett, and Robert Trujillo of Metallica, Metallica Inc., and Q. Prime Inc.

We, the longtime loyal fans and friends of Metallica and their music would like to see a major change with the upcoming album. I know it will be a hard thing to do, but we feel it is time to sever your working relationship with Bob Rock.

Don’t get us wrong, some of us like a few (very few) contributions Bob Rock has made to Metallica. Unfortunately one thing we can all agree on is nothing has been the same since he joined the ranks as longtime Metallica producer. We are not criticizing Bob Rock on his technical skills as he has mastered his sound. We just feel that his contributions to help craft a Metallica song are quite wrong and have been getting worse as time goes on.

From Kill’em All through …And Justice For All, the albums are timeless and we can listen to them over and over. Although Bob Rock’s first producing effort with Metallica, “The Black Album”, may have sold the most copies worldwide, it doesn’t mean the album is the most musically pleasing. As much as we support Metallica, most of us listen to the first few albums much more. The songs were simple and overproduced.

Load and Reload were examples of not having any control. The music was all over the place and Bob Rock went with the same sound plan as he has done for all of Metallica’s albums. We heard this sound yet again on the first disc of Garage Inc. We have watched the videos of Bob Rock telling Metallica horrible suggestions in the studios while we cringe knowing it is the wrong decision. Keep in mind, Bob Rock was in a band or two himself when he was younger. The reason no one knows this is because his bands failed because he cannot craft a good song let alone a help craft a good Metallica song.

Then we are left with St. Anger. It is completely unlistenable and this is the album that Bob Rock had most of his influence. Not only in production but the songs are all a mess as well. Every song could be cut down by about 3-5 minutes simply by cutting out most of the repetition. Bob Rock didn’t realize that repetition of one riff over and over for 10 minutes doesn’t make a song a pleasingly structured song. The sound, as everyone can agree, did not break any musical barriers, it just made the album worse. Even Bob Rock can do better than this.

We understand and appreciate the time and effort Bob Rock has put into Metallica. By your own admission, you state Metallica is a hard band to work with. We appreciate him being there to keep the band together at a personal low point of their career to help them carry on as a four piece. But we feel the day has come.

We are excited to hear the next studio album with the addition of masterful bassist Robert Trujillo. We hope it breathes new songwriting life into the band. All we ask is you take our suggestion seriously for the sake of the band and your fans. Please end your working relationship with Bob Rock as producer and let’s enter into a new phase for Metallica.

Thank you,
Your Loyal and Loving Fans

Sincerely,

The Undersigned[/quote]

[url]http://www.petitiononline.com/SaveMet/[/url]
Click ^^here to sign the petition.

Haha... that will do nothing but send them back into therapy or something...


I think its pretty stupidly written, especially because they speak as if they have a god-like influence "We feel the day has come"

And stating themselves as Metallicas fans and not Some of Metallicas fans...

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]Before one of the songs later on (I think its Master of Puppets) Kirk and Lars play the opening of both and James is just like "Haha, shut the hell up... dont play none of that pop s'hit"[/QUOTE]

Uhhh, thanks man. I should check it out

I could never sign that petition up there.

I found this letter some time ago in a met-fan site. I don't remember which one. I just remember that I liked it and decided save to my PC. I hope the author won't get angry if I copy it here. It just found it so sincere when I read it. Anyway, here you go:

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"I thank all of you that have visited my site in the past, but I have indefinitely destroyed it, and perhaps the following will explain why.

AN OPEN LETTER TO JAMES, LARS, KIRK, AND ROB OF METALLICA


To Metallica: There are many questions which need answering, so please read this entire letter.

I have stuck with Metallica for years, shunning the derision of anti-Metallica fans and X-Metallica fans who upheld the idea that you had sold out. I stuck with you through Load and Reload, two albums that people accused of being too mellow and not metal enough. I stuck with you through the Napster fiasco, upholding your views as just. I fought to defend the fact that anti-Metallica fans were nothing but ridiculous malcontents that had no true arguments against you.

For years I anticipated a new album, and when the date came near, you informed the world that St. Anger would be a return to the old school ways, a revamping of your image and the best album since KEA.

Then the album came out.

Hmmm.

You're kidding right? This is what I waited for for 5 years? This is what you call Metallica? This is what you call music that equates with KEA and AJFA?

I listened to the first 3 songs. "Ok," I thought. "Any minute now, Hammett's going to start doing something." Four more songs past...still nothing. Starting to get nervous, I checked my car stereo, making sure everything was functioning properly. "Lars drumming couldn't possibly be this bad," I thought. Then the cd reset and the first track played again. I sat for a moment in somewhat of a daze.

This was supposed to be your comeback to metal? Why didn't Kirk do anything in the entire album? Why were there no solos? Why did Lars sound like he was beating an empty trashcan instead of a snare drum? Why did the album sound like it was produced by a complete amateur?

Have you really stooped this low, Metallica?

Even when I heard of the horrendously ****ty bands you had chosen to play with you on the Sanitarium tour, I gave you a chance. Why are you touring with rap bands? Why are you trying to reach the wrong audiences? Why are you endorsing bands that couldn't play a decent song to save their lives?

But most importantly, why is St. Anger so horrificly terrible? Look back twenty years ago. Look at how you were in your youth. If I went back in time and played this album for your younger selves, would you really approve of it? How can you live with yourselves knowing that you can no longer even compose a guitar solo anymore?

There is one thing you could have done to redeem yourselves from the travesty that is St. Anger: you could have dropped the name Metallica and rennamed the band, then formed Metallica again and recorded a real album.

There is no excuse for how horrible St. Anger is and you should be ashamed of yourselves for creating such an anti-thesis to the creative muscial vision you created so long ago.

You, Metallica, taught the world what metal was. If it weren't for you, we would still be listening to hair bands and hippy music. You ushered in a grand new era and created something special.

And now, you have destroyed your own vision. I'm sure the money is ****ing great, but you sold your souls to get it. All the money in the world cannot cover the filth that you have defecated upon us. I still refuse to stoop to the level of calling you "sell outs." You are something worse than sell outs. Something I can't even find a word for.

It's pitiful that this is what you have become, and as a long-time Metallica fan, it pains me to say that. But it pains me more to have witnessed it.

You were once musicians. You are no longer. You were once creative. You are no longer. You were once worth defending. You are no more. You were once visionaries. You are no more. You were once worth paying attention to. You are no more. You were once distinctive from an otherwise pathetic genre of uninventive and brainless, generic rock music. You are no more.

You have destroyed your image beyond repair, and now there may be nothing you can do to redeem yourselves. Correction: there is something you can do. Just follow these instructions.

(Note: I wrote this when the album was released, so it's out of date, but the general ideas still hold true.)

FIRST: drop the gay-*** rap bands from the bill of the Sanitarium tour. Limp Bizkit and Linkin Park are the worst things to drip out of the *** of the music world in over 10 years. If you must, play alone, because you'll still make just as much money in tour values.

SECOND: Stop all production of St. Anger albums. The album's already been out for days, so the damage is done, but you can still help...

THIRD: Go back into the studio, delete all the songs.

FOURTH: Fire Bob Rock and hire someone who knows what he's doing, because obviously Bob had his eyes and ears closed on this one.

FIFTH: Keep the ideas for the songs you had, just adjust Lars' snare drum so it doesn't sound like he's beating a **** trashcan.

SIXTH: Write some creative music like you used to even as late as Load and Reload. Give Kirk something to do. You can't tell me for one minute that the man who plays the solos on Jump in the Fire, One, and Dyers Eve can't even write ONE new original guitar solo.

KIRK, YOU USED TO BE A GREAT GUITAR PLAYER. WHAT IN THE HELL HAPPENED TO YOU??? NOT EVEN ONE GODDAMM SOLO ON THE NEW ALBUM??? NOT EVEN ONE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

SEVENTH: Write a formal apology to the entire metal community for releasing an album like St. Anger, and top off the apology by releasing the REAL album that you created by following my steps.

Good God. I can't believe what you have done, Metallica. That's all I'm going to write. I usually go out on a rigid and uncensored outrage when I write essays like this, but your crime is so horrendous, that you're not worth another moment of my time.

Thanks for reading. Now fix the ungodly mess you have made. "

Wow... he kinda needs to get a life...

I agree with the author in a few things though. Mostly I disagree about St.Anger.

That fan has some issues but brings up [B]some[/B] good points

[QUOTE=^Dream~Theater^]That fan has some issues but brings up [B]some[/B] good points[/QUOTE]

This is what I wanted to say. True his paper is well composed, but deep down, he sounds like a noob here. I think he just doesn't understand that this is their most personal work yet. I agree with him about Lars' drums though.

He's just mad because Metallica did something that he didn't like. Boo Hoo, maybe he should go cry somewhere. If Metallica wants to make music like that then it's their choice, like it or don't listen, Complaining solves nothing.

Thats a fan??

Was Metallica created to impress us?? him??

What the **** makes him think hes so high and mighty and he knows everything?? I disagree with that article 110%. He calls himself a "true metallica fan." What a ****ing critisizer. I prefer Metallica doing what they want to do because that means they are true to themselves and not selling out to get their old fans (who are accusing them of selling out because they canged their music to MAYBE get new fans). Metallica is made of human beings, not ****ing machines.

However. it was very poetic and brilliant in its language, credit for that.

[QUOTE=Fernandes Power]Wow... he kinda needs to get a life...[/QUOTE]

yea he sure had a lot of time to think about that. but i really agree on a lot of that letter

[QUOTE=Mister_Che]Everyone in the band hated Kirk's Unforgiven solo when he first played it for him.[/QUOTE]

that surprised me the first time i heard it. the Unforgiven solo is one of the coolest metallica solos i've ever heard

[QUOTE=gocaps99]that surprised me the first time i heard it. the Unforgiven solo is one of the coolest metallica solos i've ever heard[/QUOTE]
I agree, I really like that solo.

[QUOTE=EddieVanHalen769]I agree, I really like that solo.[/QUOTE]

Out of all of them it's probably one of the most original i've heard from kirk

wow that guy had a lot of time on his hands

i wonder how his tan is goin