[QUOTE=benfan;18293885]bjlod.........sucks. I get it.

Why call it a blowjob anyway? Whos going around blowing on Cocks?[/QUOTE]

Fags?

I have a new game for the lod. Everyone should give me some money. What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=benfan;18293981]I have a new game for the lod. Everyone should give me some money. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

I like it. Got a suggestion though - how about instead of giving the money to you, they give it to me? I think if you make that change, your idea's a winner.

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18293780]Millbank: crimes committed by an absolute minority of a certain 'community'.
7/7: crimes committed by an absolute minority of a certain race.

Whitehall: all those of that 'community' are stereotyped based on preceding events.
Streets of London: all those of that race are stereotyped by the preceding events.

Organisation is only a minor flaw in the analogy, because otherwise both instances are reflective of the other. But then analogies are not meant to be taken literally.[/QUOTE]

that isn't what the word 'stereotype' means mate, i'm sorry, but a stereotype requires a hell of a lot more history behind it than one incident. Plus even if it were a stereotype i think it's arbitrary to say that's 'wrong' when it involves profiling a potential threat: the way you respond to that threat is what matters.

This is the kind of equivocal abuse of inflammatory language that makes the writers for the guardian and new statesman shit. Can we not just accept the fact that probabilistic judgements on the possibility of a threat according to the social dynamics of a particular community are what the police are trained and paid to make?

I consider everything the police do, and the entire function of the legal process to be, inhumane. It certainly isn't an instinctive function of the individual as a responsible member of the community, and it often involves harming members of that community or restricting their freedom according to arbitrary moral standards when the harm caused by their actions could only be repaired by positive encouragement and reconciliation: the likes of which it is entirely 'humane' to facilitate.

I have every reason to believe that the use of kettling in this particular instance was unsuitable, but i think that if it were used in a suitable situation then a few girls having to piss on the floor would be, as it is now, an idiotic metric for the harm caused by the use of such a tactic.

Are we really that entitled as a community that the sight of people being cold, frightened and mildly indignified is a source of grave political vehemence? Their safety was only violated by their own violence and disorder.

Yes, they were denied the right to protest freely, but the statement itself was still made. People who are fully committed to peaceful activism of this sort know that they can just do it another day, and that the political pressure engendered by protest is almost entirely facilitated by media exposure of this type.

It's not images like a few kids panicking and kicking the crap out of a van that damage the public opinion of students: it's poorly thought out rhetoric expressing total conviction in our right to do whatever the fuck we want, when we have a government that subsidises and organises our basic human needs on the grounds that we actually do something for ourselves culturally, economically or otherwise, that really makes people view us as irresponsible, entitled and obstinate. Because we fucking are. We're still children.

As regards your Nazi comparison, I'm not even going to bother to do anything but cite Godwin's Law.

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Are we really that entitled as a community that the sight of people being cold, frightened and mildly indignified is a source of grave political vehemence? Their safety was only violated by their own violence and disorder.

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Largely I agree with a lot of what you posted, but part of the point is that they were kettled not in response to anything they did, but due to the actions of a previous protest. The van was vandalised after it was left in the kettle, rather than the students being kettled for being violent and attacking the van. Granted, it's vandalism either way, but it was, to a greater or lesser extent, a result of the kettling rather than the cause.

I know I'm labouring the point, but it seems as though the police didn't wait for any signs of violence, but merely decided they thought it was likely, regardless of available the evidence, and kettled the shit out of a bunch of young adults and minors.

Also, yeah, I kind of think that (largely) peaceful protesters being made frightened by the police for deigning to protest is a source of, if not political, then certainly personal vehemence.

it is obviously not a good thing to happen and in this particular instance it makes very little sense. I totally understand personal vehemence but i think so much of our morality these days is hyperpoliticised to the point where you being angry that something is happening is supposed to constitute a failure in the government. It's politically inconsequential but because we now communicate in terms introduced by the heavy gestural symbolism of the media we're incapable of seeing the woods for the trees.

It doesn't help that you get culturally prominent figures talking about how anger is great, and you have to be angry to be political and blah blah blah: actually you don't; you just have to do what can be done to increase your liberty, responsibility and respect within society. It has nothing to do with anger. We're all angry all the time.

what i meant by saying their safety was violated by their own violence and disorder was just that the only thing that could've put them at risk was themselves by the time they were corralled, but thankfully that didn't happen. Maybe if there weren't so many children there it might've got a bit more chaotic.

[QUOTE=benfan;18293885]bjlod.........sucks. I get it.

Why call it a blowjob anyway? Whos going around blowing on Cocks?[/QUOTE]

Petition to get blowjobs officially renamed to 'gusty gobble-knobs'

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Boobieslod - Home of the Gutsy Gobble-Knob

[QUOTE=benfan;18293981]I have a new game for the lod. Everyone should give me some money. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

Why?

[QUOTE=Blue_Moon;18294073][img]http://randomoverload.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/9d11e6d4c04eff68.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

the only things attractive on the woman is the curve of her boobs and her stomach (even that is just whatever). everything else is shit

[QUOTE=fingers mccoy;18292620]i dunno if girls pissing on the floor is what kettling essentially is - i can envisage a form of kettling in which girls don't have to piss on the floor.[/QUOTE]

Well, can you show the Met how to do it? Because they don't.
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Also i am suspicious of you saying they provide no exits whatsoever for a prolonged period of time... i would actually expect the media to obscure the facts on this particular issue. [/QUOTE]

Well, if you don't want to discuss what actually happened, what's the point? I was going off people I spoke to who were there.
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i didn't quite understand this. you're saying you've personally been on the news and felt ignorant and frustrated?[/QUOTE]

yes and well, let's just say it's hard to look intelligent on the news


[QUOTE]that doesn't give them a vested interest in discouraging protest rather than managing it better.[/QUOTE]

Chance would be a fine thing
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yes but the crucial part of my argument is this: what if kettling doesn't actively discourage legitimate protest? I'm fairly convinced its intention is to actively discourage illegitimate protest, in the form of violence, vandalism, trespassing, etc. It's effective in that regard, I'm not so sure about the other one.[/QUOTE]

Well considering you don't even believe me that it happened, I can see that you wouldn't agree, yeah

[QUOTE=fingers mccoy;18294003]Their safety was only violated by their own violence and disorder. [/QUOTE]

On the contrary, peaceful protestors were deliberately trapped in an enclosed space with violent thugs...

You can reinterpret anything.

[QUOTE]Yes, they were denied the right to protest freely, but the statement itself was still made. People who are fully committed to peaceful activism of this sort know that they can just do it another day, and that the political pressure engendered by protest is almost entirely facilitated by media exposure of this type.[/QUOTE]

There is no "peaceful protest another day". The violent ones were attracted by the crowd, not the specific date.

[QUOTE]It's not images like a few kids panicking and kicking the crap out of a van that damage the public opinion of students: it's poorly thought out rhetoric expressing total conviction in our right to do whatever the fuck we want, when we have a government that subsidises and organises our basic human needs on the grounds that we actually do something for ourselves culturally, economically or otherwise, that really makes people view us as irresponsible, entitled and obstinate. Because we fucking are. We're still children.

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This is barely parsable

wait what violent thugs?

I think that violence is an emergent property of intimidated young adults. I'm not judging the violent ones. I don't think that's permissible.

It's not that i 'don't believe you', i'm just suspicious of your idea of what happened in this particular event because for one thing you're quite obviously looking at this from the perspective of defence: you haven't even attacked my argument for what it is, just for being framed in a way that is uncharitable towards student activists.

Whatsmore, you don't actually know what happened and you're bandying about words like 'thugs' and conjuring emotive images of girls pissing on the floor that don't mean anything without experiential context.

saying that the protesters were the only people responsible for their safety when they were corralled is not a 'reinterpretation' - no one was attacking them, they just had to stay calm. And they mostly did.

also you don't have to attack me on the grounds of using run-on sentences. I don't believe that you didn't understand what i was saying.

lol lod

i had propper rofles at this

[url]http://www.lolbot.net/index.php?content=viewer&id=11623[/url]

[QUOTE=guitarbaz;18293883]da dum tish!

ha ha, yeah i still got some pics of the ex kicking about somewhere ;)[/QUOTE]

lol yea i remember those

[QUOTE=fingers mccoy;18294490]wait what violent thugs?

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[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etV57xZ4_I[/url]

This is the part where someone defends the officer and says "that clearly isn't the whole footage, the officer could have been attacked prior to what is shown there" etc etc. It's like a lawyer defending someone who they know is guilty but they have also spotted holes in the prosecutions argument. Ultimately you'd still be defending a guilty party.

That officer won't be prosecuted.

[quote]Boobieslod - Home of the Gutsy Gobble-Knob[/quote]
Lod name should be changed to this :lol:
Or at least Lod (Home of the Gutsy Gobble-Knob)

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18295526]This is the part where someone defends the officer and says "that clearly isn't the whole footage, the officer could have been attacked prior to what is shown there" etc etc. It's like a lawyer defending someone who they know is guilty but they have also spotted holes in the prosecutions argument. Ultimately you'd still be defending a guilty party.

That officer won't be prosecuted.[/QUOTE]

Already a few comments on the video to that effect. And no, he probably won't. Doesn't mean someone shouldn't try.

Here's the punches from a different angle:

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdBOyj4tCps[/url]

In the first video I linked, it looks like the officer is going to town, glaces to his left, notices the camera, and starts using his mouth instead of his fists.

Also, in the second clip, notice the other officers in the first couple of seconds. They're pushing the protesters back. Pan over to our friend, and he's punching guys in the face.

yeah that's pretty fucked up.

Shocking stuff ain't it.

[QUOTE=spirit;18295538]Already a few comments on the video to that effect. And no, he probably won't. Doesn't mean someone shouldn't try.[/quote]
Aye I know. The videos need to go viral, then they'd be able to find the lad who got hit and then he could prosecute. Whether a judge would rule in his favour or not is a different matter, but if it even got that far it would be a good thing.

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Listening to: [url=http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+headroom+project/track/sun+goes+down?locale=en-GB]The Headroom Project - [Haifa #02] Sun Goes Down [foobar2000 v1.0.3][/url]

Haha awesome, tempted to put the last frame as my facebook profile picture.
*awaits fingers to apply godwin's law* :p
A German friend of mine actually brought up the Nazi's today. Kinda awkward.

Also, this made me lol:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv1OigmYcvQ[/url]
Christmas number one, fo sho.

edit: much better article regarding tuition fees:
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2010/nov/30/university-tuition-fees-arts-courses-fail[/url]
Seriously, I'm working towards being a researcher/lecturer in a University. These cunts are fucking up what I've knowingly strived towards for the last 4 years!

Why is the lod consistently like 5 weeks behind the You Laugh, You Lose thread?

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18296018]Why is the lod consistently like 5 weeks behind the You Laugh, You Lose thread?[/QUOTE]

because that's how long it takes for memes to hit facebook i guess

wtf MX, I've been trying to procrastinate all day, why have you been down?

i made a video of the countdown tv tune song

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovlyPI5pjVA[/url]

its a theme tune for a tv quiz show over here incase you have no idea what it is

ah it's working today then.

not that i've got anything of interest to say. could have a rant about FIFA but we had it coming.

Qatar though?
It's illegal to drink alcohol there lol