[QUOTE=RIP Ian Curtis]Of course it's selfish and wrong. But he's been wronged big-time by a no-good son-of-a-whore, sometimes you've gotta be selfish, becuase you deserve more than life is giving you.[/QUOTE]


No. The second you start to believe you are special enough to be given more than whats right is when you need to be eliminated.

[QUOTE=Tiger]Nah man. Just end the relationship and walk away. Misplaced anger is dangerous and you'll get nothing out of a fight besides possible jail time. Not enough of this is even his fault for it to be considered justice, it really boils down to you wanting to lash out and thats selfish.[/QUOTE]

With the amount of anger I have inside of me right now, I need to lash out somewhere. Something I said to Becky was:

[quote]If I were a woman beater, she'd look like a dropped banana. [/quote]

I won't do that, however. And if he's knowledgeable of my relationship with her and is still continuing whatever may be going on, or even worse, provoking it, then he deserves a piece of the outcome.

[QUOTE=El Krunk]With the amount of anger I have inside of me right now, I need to lash out somewhere. Something I said to Becky was:



I won't do that, however. And if he's knowledgeable of my relationship with her and is still continuing whatever may be going on, or even worse, provoking it, then he deserves a piece of the outcome.[/QUOTE]


Thats all well and good.

But seriously, just walk away. Anger is normal, but not an excuse.

^^Right.

There's no reason to waste that much energy killing Drew.

This isn't his problem, this isn't your problem, it's Lela's. She cozied up to him. That's her problem, big time.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]^^Right.

There's no reason to waste that much energy killing Drew.

This isn't his problem, this isn't your problem, it's Lela's. She cozied up to him. That's her problem, big time.[/QUOTE]


Ever get off the phone? I assumed it would take a while.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]^^Right.

There's no reason to waste that much energy killing Drew.

This isn't his problem, this isn't your problem, it's Lela's. She cozied up to him. That's her problem, big time.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you guys are saying, but this is a matter of respect. This guy completely disrespected me in the sense that he knows full well about my relationship with her and he's exploiting it for his own personal gain.

Was it Lela's fault to get him involved in the first place? Yes. However, it was his choice to further pursue it.

You don't know how close I came last night to calling up my buddy Davin and arranging to have this guy shot. I'm [b]that[/b] pissed off right now. :(

[QUOTE=Tiger]Ever get off the phone? I assumed it would take a while.[/QUOTE]

It did; sorry about that. Sometimes, unfortunately, I gotta work when I'm at work.

[quote=Jared]I understand what you guys are saying, but this is a matter of respect. This guy completely disrespected me in the sense that he knows full well about my relationship with her and he's exploiting it for his own personal gain.

Was it Lela's fault to get him involved in the first place? Yes. However, it was his choice to further pursue it.

You don't know how close I came last night to calling up my buddy Davin and arranging to have this guy shot. I'm [b]that[/b] pissed off right now. :([/quote]

Yes, he dissed you. And gloated about it. But, personally I wouldn't waste my energy fighting someone as stupid as that. He's too stupid to learn a lesson from it, so why bother.

I would, however, give Lela a piece of my mind. [size=2]F[/size]uck all that "just kidding" [size=2]s[/size]hit. That shows she has absolutely no respect whatsoever for your feelings.

[QUOTE=El Krunk]I understand what you guys are saying, but this is a matter of respect. This guy completely disrespected me in the sense that he knows full well about my relationship with her and he's exploiting it for his own personal gain.
[/QUOTE]



Yea, you just need to get over that. The whole macho man respect thing needs to be let go too, because thats not how the world works. We dont operate on an honor principle, we've evolved. Just let it go because there is nothing to be done here.

Yeah I'm getting out of this one, becuase I'm definatly going to tell you the wrong thing.

Jared, as tough as this decision might be for you, it's definitely the best one: walk away.

Lela has treated you like dogshi[font=verdana]t[/font] for the past few weeks, and you've tried to just take it and endure it, but you can only have so much of a tolerance threshold.

Secondly, Drew wrote what he did because he's trying to rile you. He knows that he's in the clear with Lela, so he'll do anything to try to add to the paon that Lela has betsowed upon you. As much as you'd love to beat the crap out of him and "end him," you know you can't do what without some form of retribution.

You need to cut all ties from Lela.

And honestly, fuc[font=verdana]k[/font] mySpace. Everything about it. There's absolutely, positively no reason why people should take it seriously other than a messaging medium. The Top 8, who has the most friends, messaging... it's all a crock. As nice as it is for networking or whatever, it's nevertheless an additional stress to people who take it to heart.

End everything with Lela, and ignore Drew the Dick. If she comes back, tell her that she's a cun[font=verdana]t[/font] and tell her to piss off. If Drew wants to incite something, it's going to take more strength and say more about you as a man to walk away than it is to fight some punk who is trying to be Billy Badass.

Beating him up will leave you feeling empty. As rewarding as it may be for the first couple days, you're going to realize that knocking his teeth out didn't do anything to solve your problem.

Walk away. It's tough, and I know that you are big on toughness and not taking crap from anyone and you have somewhat of a military background, but in this case, you can't be gung-ho about this. It's just not worth it.

*starts slow clap*

[quote] Feb 23, 2006 12:32 PM

I talked things out with Drew, so don't worry about that.

We still need to talk about this whole talking **** about me thing though. Even if it wasn't serious, you still did it. That hurts me a lot. If you love me, you wouldn't do something like that. Did you think that I wouldn't find out you said those things? I just don't get it.

You're going to have to earn my trust back. I'm not just going to pretend that none of this happened, because I'm still hurting from it. All this drama needs to stop. If you have issues with me, then take them up with me. Don't talk **** about me behind my back.

And don't send me a message about what's going on right now because I know all that and I can sympathize with that. But that has nothing to do with this. You and I are the issue at hand right now. I'm trying to get past this in the most mature way I know how, but I'm running out of patience. If you can't start talking to me and opening up to me, then I just don't know what to do.

If you really want to be with me, then don't say, "I don't know" when I ask you about us and don't talk about just being friends. If you really love me, then prove it. Work with me instead of working against me. That's the only way we're going to get through this.

I'll see you tonight at work.

-Jared [/quote]

I can't be anymore reasonable than that. We just had a long conversation in which she said, "I didn't mean those things, I was just joking around." I blew up on her.

She told me to come see her at work tonight, so I guess we'll finish our coversation there.

She didn't mean WHAT things? The trash-talking behind your back?

I've posted about college crap in here before. I have absolutely no idea where I want to go, so I've kind of decided to go to Manhattanville, a college that's like 25 minutes away from my house, which I got a scholarship to so that's cheaper. I don't think I'm ready to leave home, so I figured I could go to a close college for a semester or two then transfer. This is because I'm not ready to leave home, as I just said lol, I have no idea what I want to do, and the fact my girlfriend will be in HS another year. I know the last part is not exactly a great thing to base college around, but even before her I wasn't sure if I could leave this year, so it's not like it's just about her.

I don't think it's a bad idea at all to stick around for like another year just to see how I mature and see if I'm able to move farther away.

I mean my grandparents will kill me because my grandfather got mad to hear that I was applying to Manhattanville, because he had never heard of it. I don't care so whatever.

And not relating to that, me and my girlfriend are going absolutely amazing, it's just over four months and I am completely and totally in love =).

Good idea to start somewhere closer, Justin.

And, good for you on the girlfriend situation. :)

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]She didn't mean WHAT things? The trash-talking behind your back?[/QUOTE]

So she claims. I think it's bullsh[size=2]it[/size].

I think you're correct.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]I think you're correct.[/QUOTE]

I think I need a lot of alcohol right now.

[QUOTE=El Krunk]I think I need a lot of alcohol right now.[/QUOTE]

I think that if I was in your neck of the woods right now, I'd join you.

Can I understand something?

Iscariot was going to propose to this young lady.

Iscariot is apparently now El Krunk?

Is this the same young lady who was allowing that nerdy dude to try to tell her this or that...

And now the nerdy dude is the very same Drew dude?

Is this the case?

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Can I understand something?

Iscariot was going to propose to this young lady.

Iscariot is apparently now El Krunk?

Is this the same young lady who was allowing that nerdy dude to try to tell her this or that...

And now the nerdy dude is the very same Drew dude?

Is this the case?[/QUOTE]

It's not the same guy, but yeah, she's still leading me around by my collar.

I've been talking to this chick Ashley lately, who's an old friend of mine and she's going through the exact same thing with her boyfriend. Thing is, now her and I are realizing how much we have in common - more so than we do with our own significant others - and the closer we're getting the easier it's getting to accept the idea of leaving our fruitless relationships.

It's taking some time though. I'm still not ready to sever ties with Lela, regardless of how bad things are. It's just an emotional thing for me.

Your advice earlier on in the scenario was good though. I should have listened sooner. I wish you were my dad. :upset:

[QUOTE=El Krunk]It's not the same guy, but yeah, she's still leading me around by my collar.

I've been talking to this chick Ashley lately, who's an old friend of mine and she's going through the exact same thing with her boyfriend. Thing is, now her and I are realizing how much we have in common - more so than we do with our own significant others - and the closer we're getting the easier it's getting to accept the idea of leaving our fruitless relationships.

It's taking some time though. I'm still not ready to sever ties with Lela, regardless of how bad things are. It's just an emotional thing for me.

Your advice earlier on in the scenario was good though. I should have listened sooner. I wish you were my dad. :upset:[/QUOTE]


Well, no matter bro. I truly am sorry this is happening to you.

Jom said it best though. Believe me. Be the better man and realize now that maybe this situation isn't the best for you.

I know how you feel though, and I wish it hadn't turned out this way. That's the honest truth.

Beating people up solves nothing and it never will. However, think about you. Be selfish and realize that maybe you know what's best. Take off the rose colored glasses. Accept the potential for humility and use this as a lesson for yourself without beating people up and shooting them. What does that get you? Mayhaps this dude antagonizes you and then presses charges when you beat him up. Maybe you hurt him worse then you intend and one day your concious catches up.

As for wishing I was your dad, well.. Is your mom hot? We can still work on that..

Honestly though, I'm sorry. I hope it works out either way man.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]As for wishing I was your dad, well.. Is your mom hot? We can still work on that..

[/QUOTE]

I've been betrayed... :upset:

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Well, no matter bro. I truly am sorry this is happening to you.

Jom said it best though. Believe me. Be the better man and realize now that maybe this situation isn't the best for you.

I know how you feel though, and I wish it hadn't turned out this way. That's the honest truth.

Beating people up solves nothing and it never will. However, think about you. Be selfish and realize that maybe you know what's best. Take off the rose colored glasses. Accept the potential for humility and use this as a lesson for yourself without beating people up and shooting them. What does that get you? Mayhaps this dude antagonizes you and then presses charges when you beat him up. Maybe you hurt him worse then you intend and one day your concious catches up.[/quote]

I know man. It's just so much more self-gratifying to act on sporadic anger than to take the more logical route. I begrudgingly accepted peace with this guy, but that doesn't mean I don't still want to level him.

[quote]As for wishing I was your dad, well.. Is your mom hot? We can still work on that..[/quote]

She hates my dad, but they [i]are[/i] married. Give it another six years though and things should change. :lol:

[quote]Honestly though, I'm sorry. I hope it works out either way man.[/QUOTE]

Thanks.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]I've been betrayed... :upset:[/QUOTE]


Awww c'mon!

I can share.

I have enough for everyone.. Believe me!

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Awww c'mon!

I can share.

I have enough for everyone.. Believe me![/QUOTE]

:rolleyes:

Seriously, how are ya?

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]:rolleyes:

Seriously, how are ya?[/QUOTE]


I'm ok.

I have been going to therapy if you must know. Last couple of sessions have been somewhat breakthrough I suppose. It's been too much to deal with alone. I have ugly thoughts. I don't suppose I should blab it out here.

So, what can I say.

She manipulated me for 15 years. She is still trying to keep me down. I still fall for it.

The power women have is evil.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]She manipulated me for 15 years. She is still trying to keep me down. I still fall for it.

The power women have is evil.[/QUOTE]

Love does that. :(

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]I'm ok.

I have been going to therapy if you must know. Last couple of sessions have been somewhat breakthrough I suppose. It's been too much to deal with alone. I have ugly thoughts. I don't suppose I should blab it out here.

So, what can I say.

She manipulated me for 15 years. She is still trying to keep me down. I still fall for it.

The power women have is evil.[/QUOTE]

I've been in and out of therapy for god knows how long. Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it doesn't.

What it will probably do in your case is stop you from falling for her manipulations. That'll be half the battle won, right there.

And, guys have their fair share of power, too.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]I've been in and out of therapy for god knows how long. Sometimes it helps. Sometimes it doesn't.

What it will probably do in your case is stop you from falling for her manipulations. That'll be half the battle won, right there.

And, guys have their fair share of power, too.[/QUOTE]


Yeah guys have done worse.. this I know. Does that mean I should be happy I am not that way? Or that I allowed myself to live a lie for 15 years while I tried to be a better man? In the end, I am not better for it. I'm certainly not bitter, but I am angry and confused to how I let myself fall for it for so long.

I think a lot of the things I watched my mom go through when I was a child led me to believe that women were not capable of such things, and men were pure evil. I always insisted I could change that generalization by being the person I thought was right and just. I keep women on pedestals for what they endure, and that gets me into trouble.

One day, I'll find a woman who won't betray me. One day.

To be fair, however, you were with the same woman for 15 years. Since you were 19.

That means that you missed out on a lot of experience with regard to the opposite gender.

Don't think that all women are like that. I for one, am not, nor are my friends.

[QUOTE=Chaindrive]To be fair, however, you were with the same woman for 15 years. Since you were 19.

That means that you missed out on a lot of experience with regard to the opposite gender.

Don't think that all women are like that. I for one, am not, nor are my friends.[/QUOTE]


I was 18 actually, and I thought I knew it all. I had been with a lot of girls over those early years, since I busted my cherry at 12 in the back seat of an AMC Eagle. I was pretty sure I could do no better. That is the main focus for me now. Why did I think so little of myself? Why did I allow myself to believe I needed a good girl from a good family, when it's not me. Never was. I wanted a chick on the level with me.

You know, you think you know it all, even when you're younger. You know nothing though. Life is long. Long enough that sometimes it's too late to learn from these little things along the way.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]I keep women on pedestals for what they endure, and that gets me into trouble.[/QUOTE]

Do not put people on pedestals, a falling idol is apt to strike you dead.

[QUOTE=Chrysostom]Do not put people on pedestals, a falling idol is apt to strike you dead.[/QUOTE]


Hey gee! Thank you Captain Obvious!

Where were you about 15 years ago when that advice would have mattered?

:thumb:

I think I've learned that now, but thanks for sticking it out there.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]You know, you think you know it all, even when you're younger. You know nothing though. Life is long. Long enough that sometimes it's too late to learn from these little things along the way.[/QUOTE]

Well put - it's just a shame that some of the younger kids won't see that.

Anyway, hello, sir. I would ask how you've been, but you've already touched base on that already.

[quote=DBoon's Ghost]Thank you, Captain Obvious![/quote]

[url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v607/frozeninshadows/humour/ahoythere.jpg]Ahoy, there![/url]

[QUOTE=Jom]Well put - it's just a shame that some of the younger kids won't see that.

Anyway, hello, sir. I would ask how you've been, but you've already touched base on that already.[/QUOTE]


Yeah bro I'm chugging along.. I've seen better days, but things are clearing up here and there.

Thanks and good stuff to Iscariot earlier. Very good stuff indeed.

[QUOTE=DBoon's Ghost]Where were you about 15 years ago when that advice would have mattered?[/QUOTE]

I was 5.

[QUOTE=Chrysostom]I was 5.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Good response.

Haha. Pamela's brother doesn't know we're going out. He's in my Theatre class with me, and my teacher found out the two of us were going out. She started making all these hints towards me, and he was confused as hell. Ah, the awesomeness of it all.

[QUOTE=Chrysostom]I was 5.[/QUOTE]


:eek:

I hate this place sometimes.

5?

Geez I'm old.

Well, at least you're wise in your (so far) years.

:wave: