Thanks dude, I'll definitely look into it. Is it geared towards ultra-basic can't-sing-a-note sort of singers? Because most of these books are aimed towards people who might sing karaoke and want to improve or whatever...I don't even sing in the shower, and there is NO WAY i can sing a new song to my singer - have to give the lyric sheet and then either make a midi version of the song or just play the vocal melody on my guitar.

Anyone seen this?
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Set-Your-Voice-Free-Speaking/dp/0316441589/ref=pd_sim_b_4/202-6658607-8256642?ie=UTF8&qid=1177955278&sr=1-1[/url]

I hate my spoken voice as well (I'm too scared to do radio interviews, or even normal interviews in case the interviewer picks up on my voice) so it looks like a good buy.

[QUOTE=Jon;14631044]Thanks dude, I'll definitely look into it. Is it geared towards ultra-basic can't-sing-a-note sort of singers? Because most of these books are aimed towards people who might sing karaoke and want to improve or whatever...I don't even sing in the shower, and there is NO WAY i can sing a new song to my singer - have to give the lyric sheet and then either make a midi version of the song or just play the vocal melody on my guitar.

Anyone seen this?
[url]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Set-Your-Voice-Free-Speaking/dp/0316441589/ref=pd_sim_b_4/202-6658607-8256642?ie=UTF8&qid=1177955278&sr=1-1[/url]

I hate my spoken voice as well (I'm too scared to do radio interviews, or even normal interviews in case the interviewer picks up on my voice) so it looks like a good buy.[/QUOTE]

It covers everything you're going to need to know; from the basics to extremely technical stuff, plus the main thing is there are tons of exercises/video lessons on the members section.

I am trying to learn how to scream properly but it just don't seem to work.. i have a strong voice and belt out regular notes really easy, but when i scream all i can get is sometimes a really low raspy sound. It sounds like a really weak diecast. i dont know what i am doing wrong but i know its wrong because it hurts while i do it and i know that is not supposed to happen if anyone has quick advice that would be great

You gotta learn proper support/breathing, and placement.

To sum it up for breathing...
breathe in so that your stomach and lower ribs expand, but your shoulders don't come up.

To sum it up for support...
push down like you are going to the bathroom when screaming to keep the strain out of the throat.

To sum it up for placement...
send the tone up to the soft pallate (the soft part of the roof of your mouth). to practice getting this placement right, practice scales while first gargling water, and then try to imitate a pigeon; it sounds retarded but it shows you where the sound needs to be sent.

That's a really well worded instruction right there.

Okay, as far as I can tell, my voice isn't pathetic to the point of making ears bleed (of course I could be wrong so don't quote me there) but I'm not a good singer either. And I want to be! I want to be able to sing my own songs.

Here is me singing: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/159[/url]

For some reason, I can't tell where I'm off- so what can I do to improve? People have suggested scales, and I've tried but I can never tell if I'm matching my voice to the piano or not. Breathing exercises, i've done them but that doesn't help much either.

PLEASE HELP :upset:

If bribes help, I have over 34,000 rep and I give out a fair portion :)

you just gotta let the beats flow you know what im sayin

No, I don't :(

:upset:

Do you guys think I should rerecord the highs for this?
[url]http://www.myspace.com/paraphiliasoontochange[/url]

sorry to be a bother. i know alot of people do this but i really need help.
heres the page with my song on it

myspace.com/arcaderadio

its pretty rough. the song is a cover song. so click the song that says cover.

please tell me what i can do to improve. thanks in advance

No opinion at all?

[QUOTE=k33pinitm3ll0w;14861351]sorry to be a bother. i know alot of people do this but i really need help.
heres the page with my song on it

myspace.com/arcaderadio

its pretty rough. the song is a cover song. so click the song that says cover.

please tell me what i can do to improve. thanks in advance[/QUOTE]


For one, sing louder...i can barely hear you. Your voice sounds a bit monotone imo at the beginning.

and to i am robots, i dont really like "death metal", so i dunno :p

[QUOTE=i am the robots;14858376]Do you guys think I should rerecord the highs for this?
[url]http://www.myspace.com/paraphiliasoontochange[/url][/QUOTE]

Yeah. I also think you should make the vocals louder. I also like to do inhaled lows underneath my growls to make it sound full and ballsy. Give it a try.

I guess no one wants to reply in my thread. What exercises would help for having that insane opera voice? I know its also alot of power, but is it just normal exercises or is there more to it?

[QUOTE=fuzzyhair;14923580]Yeah. I also think you should make the vocals louder. I also like to do inhaled lows underneath my growls to make it sound full and ballsy. Give it a try.[/QUOTE]

All I really do is inhales.

[QUOTE=darksoul;14924718]I guess no one wants to reply in my thread. What exercises would help for having that insane opera voice? I know its also alot of power, but is it just normal exercises or is there more to it?[/QUOTE]

The trick is that that power is a result of proper support with full voice resonance. This comes way before the usual modern overblowing of most vocal styles. Most opera singers are probably not even using more than 50% diaphragm push at the most. The cords will just lose air and bow with overpushing, making the sound weaker. Its all been covered before.....

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]
Merkabas Voice-Help Hotline - Music & Musician Forums

Merkaba... is it normal for someone's range to become much lower all of the sudden at 18 (closer to 19)???

Just wondering what I am?

My range goes from the low bass E string to E on the B string, i can hit F but for a little bit before my voice cracks.

Am I a bass or a tenor?

[QUOTE=exodus;14940606]Just wondering what I am?

My range goes from the low bass E string to E on the B string, i can hit F but for a little bit before my voice cracks.

Am I a bass or a tenor?[/QUOTE]

Probably baritone (between bass and tenor).

Definitely a baritone. Tenor's can go way higher.

Wondering...for an average tenor, how far can they reach on the B string? And what is their average range?

I mean, I write songs sometimes and my vocal melody thats on the B string, I can usually go E E E [B]F [/B]E E, or E E E [B]G [/B]EE.

Black Metal Vocals
 

I couldn't really find an appropiate section for questions about singing, if I missed something forgive me, and please move this to the appropiate section.

On to the question. I am currently working on a black metal project, and I've been doing various styles of screams for a while, but black metal (at least in the sense of the rar Leviathan/Xasthur/Nortt/etc sort of way) is a new to me. I've been listening to black metal for quite a few years now, but I've just never really been able to work on a project with it until now. Currently I can do growls (quite easy as I'm told as far as screaming goes), metalcore-esk screams (think Atreyu), Deathcore-esk growl-screams (Job For A Cowby, All Shall Perish), more of a Dani Filth-esk shriek (albiet not as well as my growls and screams), and more of a thrash-esk shout scream. Even with the back experiance, I'm still finding it hard to get a proper sound when trying to vocalize black metal vocals.

So the actual questions is, what sort of tips/advice/etc can you provide me for developing my voice in a black metal direction. Once again, in a Leviathan/Xasthur/Nortt sort of way, I can pull off Darkthrone rather easily.

There's a singing thread in the Jam Session. I'll take you there.

Tenor's can usually go up to about 12th fret on B string. So your average tenor could hit about A or B above middle C.

From the sound of it, you seem like you want to fall in the "tenor" range. You're a baritone, fullstop. You can do excercises to increase your range, but you're pretty much stuck with the range you've got. Learn to increase the quality of what you've got, not trying to chase after a range that you simply can't have. Imo, I like the sound of bariotone more than tenor of it's just one person singing. Tenor's just so ridiculously high! :P

[QUOTE=Reckoning of Fire;14953470]Tenor's can usually go up to about 12th fret on B string. So your average tenor could hit about A or B above middle C.

From the sound of it, you seem like you want to fall in the "tenor" range. You're a baritone, fullstop. You can do excercises to increase your range, but you're pretty much stuck with the range you've got. Learn to increase the quality of what you've got, not trying to chase after a range that you simply can't have. Imo, I like the sound of bariotone more than tenor of it's just one person singing. Tenor's just so ridiculously high! :P[/QUOTE]

Yeah but it'd always be great if I could actually hit the high notes of the vocals I listen to (Freddy Mercury, Bono...etc)

Well right now I'm pretty much just trying to sing those notes as best as I could even though most of the time it comes out like **** and my voice gets so cracked up, so I try not to exceed my limit cause I fear damage.

Another thing I do now is (kinda weird) but try to always talk in a higher pitch, but not like squeaky like a girl.

[QUOTE=Reckoning of Fire;14953470]Tenor's can usually go up to about 12th fret on B string. So your average tenor could hit about A or B above middle C.

From the sound of it, you seem like you want to fall in the "tenor" range. You're a baritone, fullstop. You can do excercises to increase your range, but you're pretty much stuck with the range you've got. Learn to increase the quality of what you've got, not trying to chase after a range that you simply can't have. Imo, I like the sound of bariotone more than tenor of it's just one person singing. Tenor's just so ridiculously high! :P[/QUOTE]

Most tenors are classified as being able to sing the c above middle C. Tenor High C....without forcing the note and of course without falsetto.

Trying to sing in the tenor range with vocal resonance will teach you bad habits and lead to probable complications over the long haul.

The highest note I can hit right now is E above middle C, I can go for F and G for a short moment, maybe in a melody or something. I'm just focused on being able to hit those 2 notes as efficiently as the rest but I know after G, I have to go falsetto.

Ah okay, ty Merkaba for correcting me..hehe

You probably should practise with the range you have now. You say sometimes you can hit F and G, so practise lower with scales and stuff. You CAN increase your range, but not by a hell lot. Don't try to sing stuff you know you can't sing, you'll just tense up your throat by trying too hard. It's like playing guitar, trying to alternate pick sextuplets at 140bpm when you can only really pick sextuplets at 100bpm. You'll end up hurting your wrists, alnog with bad technique if you keep it up, plus you'll sound like crap. Work your way up, but a c above middle c is pretty much out of the question. Maybe work on your falsetto as well, but I suggest you find more singers within your range and practise from there, it'll be a lot more helpful.

Vocal effects in real-time
 

I can't afford to buy the hardware that I need for Pro Tools. So, instead, is there a kinda processor (on PC) for the vocals that can be used in real-time (for live performance) that would work with no specific sound card, just like a normal line-in? My PC has 3.1GHz and 2G of Rams, so it's powerfull enough for real-time processing. The kinds of effects that I look for are pretty basic; chorus, phaser, delay (echo) and reverb.

Thanks for your help!!!

uhm yeah

so when I sing with harsh vocals I notice that my voice is very low

when I'm mixing for studio purposes, am I supposed to mix it higher than instruments to achieve a nice envolving sound?

and

when I do it live, should I crank up the mics when doing harsh vocals, or vocals in general? (At least 1.5 times the dB of instruments)

right?

I'm having a hell of a time developing a more raspy metalcore/emo type scream. I can death growl rather easily but every time I try to metalcore scream I tear my throat up. Anybody got any advice on how to develop this technique?

Don't use your throat?

Believe me, I don't try to. Ok, basically my scream amounts to that sort of gurgly thingy that your death growlers use. It's just a basic daiphragm motivated gurgle. I don't want that. I want a raspy scream. But I cannot figure out how to develop a raspy scream without using my throat. That's what I need advice on. I need to develop something along the lines of Avenged Sevenfold, A Static Lullaby, ect. without hurting my throat.

So I've tried relaxing my throat and just pushing air out faster with my diaphragm but it still hurts my throat. Obviously I'm doing something wrong.

Ras
 

Hi

I'm relatively new to singing (I'm 15). I have a pretty good and clear voice but I can't seem to get it to sound raspy and cool like my favourite bands (Alice in Chains and Soundgarden). I've posted on some other forums but I can't get a good answer. One guy told me to use my diaphragm. I'm not sure how to do that. :confused:

If anyone could give me tips on how to sing like Chris Cornell or Layne Staley, that would be great. Anything past the "go to a teacher nub" really helps :)

Thanks

Make an angry type sigh. Kinda like "Uhhggh!" Like you are ....ed off or frustrated. Congrats, you have just activated your diaphragm. If you are doing it right you should feel no pain coming from your throat. Now experiment with various levels of this and you should eventually be able to sing like a grunge singer. When you activate your diaphragm you should be screaming or gurgling without using your vocal chords. Your throat could be totally relaxed but a scream will be coming out. Doing this partway instead of in full is the only way I know to achieve a rasp. Some people use their diaphragm to push a more intense volume of air through their throat achieving a more perfect rasp, but I'm still trying to figure this one out (see my above posts).

[QUOTE=punknmetal4lyf;15002278]Make an angry type sigh. Kinda like "Uhhggh!" Like you are ....ed off or frustrated. Congrats, you have just activated your diaphragm. If you are doing it right you should feel no pain coming from your throat. Now experiment with various levels of this and you should eventually be able to sing like a grunge singer. When you activate your diaphragm you should be screaming or gurgling without using your vocal chords. Your throat could be totally relaxed but a scream will be coming out. Doing this partway instead of in full is the only way I know to achieve a rasp. Some people use their diaphragm to push a more intense volume of air through their throat achieving a more perfect rasp, but I'm still trying to figure this one out (see my above posts).[/QUOTE]

What I'm about to say may be all wrong, because I have had no professional traning, just horus of reading material of the net. I once asked merkaba about the technique you described above and he said it actually dosen't pressurize the diaphram but relaxes it, so i'm not sure about how far you go about activating your diaphram.

Well, I don't know about the difference between a pressurized diaphragm and a relaxed diaphragm is, but I do know that that was how I learned how to scream, and from there I fiddled with it till I was able to add various different inflections and get different kinds of harsh vocals out. But maybe it's not a good way to do it. I dunno.

The thing I noticed with the technique you decribed was, I can not hold any pitch while doing it. Sure I can get a growl or something, but singing is always going to involve the vocal cords. You can't bypass them by "using the diaphram". The diaphram is there for support, it can't actually make the sound for you. So when you actually do activate the diaphram, you ARE actually using your vocal chords to make the sounds anyway. For me to get a rasp, I sorta control the air from my stomach to make it come out of the top of my head, as opposed to coming out of my mouth, well that's the feeling anyway. I have to control the air carefully otherwise I'll end up tightening my throat and my voice will sound like it's breaking or something. That's how I do rasp anyway.

Hmm, I'll have to try that.

[QUOTE=exodus;14940606]Just wondering what I am?

My range goes from the low bass E string to E on the B string, i can hit F but for a little bit before my voice cracks.

Am I a bass or a tenor?[/QUOTE]

Baritone probally, I know i'm a tenor and I go from 3rd fret low e string, to 7th fret high E string. My comfortable range is open A string to 5th fret high E string.