Crickets here with another question!


How does one use their false chords CORRECTLY!?

I cannot seem to piece it together and get it.

Ok i have a cold now and my tone sounds all messed up, its safe to sing right? I just shouldnt overdo it and i should eat all that healthy stuff and i should be fine. Also do a longer warmup.

Right? or wrong?

[QUOTE=Perhaps Locusts;13267830]Crickets here with another question!


How does one use their false chords CORRECTLY!?

I cannot seem to piece it together and get it.[/QUOTE]

If you make the "annnk" wrong answer sound youre getting in touch with them. They also are part of the phonation you hear when you cough, but I wouldnt recommend you cough to get the feel. But you can start one to feel that pressure....Its easier to get false cord stuff across in person or on samples. The key is to play around with low push sounds because youre not trying to get a loud true vocal cord sound or push in order to get the rasp because its not coming from that. So play around with trying to "scream" or get a good rasp at a very low volume and push.
[QUOTE=kidthatplaysguitar91;13271259]Ok i have a cold now and my tone sounds all messed up, its safe to sing right? I just shouldnt overdo it and i should eat all that healthy stuff and i should be fine. Also do a longer warmup.

Right? or wrong?[/QUOTE]

Theres no way to know for sure whether or not your vocal cords are infected (laryngitis). But from what you've stated, I would bet you dont have any, and you should be ok with what you prescribed.

Alright. I don't need help with screaming/growling whatever, I have that down.

It's just clean vocals. I want to know how to add a bit of rasp to it. Like Jari Maenpaa of Ensiferum and Wintersun.

I would also like to know how to use my different vocal chords, like tenor or falsetto and stuff. I don't know how all that works, and I would like someone to explain.

Thanks!

if anyone could answer this question.
what register is robert plant using? i heard he's in falsetto, so does he jsut have a really strong falsetto? if you've ever heard of wolfmother, the singer also has that type of sound and i'm jsut wondering how they get it like that. its really high so i'm thinking they're doing falsetto but it sound so strong and clear. when i sing along it jst sounds too airy and weak.

I've decided to start giving some basic vocal lessons online. I see a lot of people having related problems and most of them can be fixed by exercises. Most of you either aren't warming up properly (or at all) which would help out quite a bit and then some things like rasp aren't being done correctly. When I was first learning to rasp, I would close my throat up to the point of gagging, and incorrectly overdrive my cords until I got rasp. Eventually I figured out the exact opposite is what you need. Like Merkaba is always saying, you HAVE to have an open throat and rasp it off of your soft pallate. For operatic higher notes (Bruce Dickinson, Geoff Tate) you try to place the tone in your mask (sinus area) and make sure the tone is placed more on the hard pallate. Its pretty important to figure both of these things out because doing the higher notes incorrectly and rasping or screaming incorrectly both will affect all other parts of your voice negatively. If anyone is interested in some online lessons, go to ajenkz.dmusic.com. I'm not spamming; I contribute a lot of stuff to this board and I think it would help a lot for some of you to have some training so you can figure out whats wrong. A teacher in your area for private lessons is always best, but I know not everyone has that option so you could try some personal lessons with me or througha book or training program.

Microm,
Plant did different stuff. He used a lot of "pharyngeal voice" which is the kind of witchy sounding voice. Theres a lot of reinforced falsetto in his songs which is extra loud falsetto pushed kind of hard. Most though is either pure head voice for some of the lighter but still full toned higher notes, and then pulled chest voice for a lot of stuff.

so is it cool if i post a recording of myself trying to sing a wolfmother song and you can maybe drops a few pointers on how i could make it more powerful and full sounding? i have a really really low voice, hence me being a bass in choir but i jsut wanna see if i should bother trying to sing up there.

Go right ahead; im sure their are a few people on here that can help. If your interested in a lesson or two to get some exercises that will get you working on your range up in head voice so you can do wolfmother type stuff email me at the address on the link I posted. Ignore classifications like bass, baritone, tenor. They dont apply to rock, only to classical people who seem to have no interest in singing much out of their set range according to the fach system.

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/2DFD58D702A901B2[/url]

there's the link to it
as you can tell i'm just in falsetto the whole time haha
sounds bad but oh well.

I think it'd help you get a more full tone in those songs if you would work on some humming exercises. Just hum some scales, making sure that as you get higher you're placing the tone towards your nose area. Make sure that on the higher notes (probably most of the song) that area is buzzing. It will be pretty nasal at first which may actually be what you're looking for but if not experiment. Eventually you'll get everything balanced out to the point of being able to do the notes easily with no strain and the tone you want. You need to realize though that you will never sound exactly like him so don't try. You can come close but try to do it with as much originality as possible. You are just holding yourself back if you are trying to cop the exact tone of whatever singer's song you are working on.

Also, make sure you are breathing properly. On a proper inhale, your stomach goes out and your rib cage expands a bit. As you sing, slowly let the stomach come back in and the rib cage go back to it's normal resting position.

[QUOTE=Microm;13292612][url]http://download.yousendit.com/2DFD58D702A901B2[/url]

there's the link to it
as you can tell i'm just in falsetto the whole time haha
sounds bad but oh well.[/QUOTE]You have no breath support. Breath support...."This changes everything"...sorry circa survive flashback.... its easier to phonate falsetto with no breath support because all of the cords area isn't vibrating, only the edges. Say ahh like you would for the doctor, in your speaking range, and get a bit loud,while practicing. You've got to get in touch with proper breath and diaphragm and then you will be a different singer. Take a deep breath and start it like you were surprised or startled. The instinct of the body knows how to take a proper breath even if you don't. If you were in flight or flight you would take a big one like that because you would need the air and the internal pressure.

go here...[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911&page=36[/url]

Alright, I posted this in the wrong thread, so I'm gonna repost it here along with a reply from Merkaba.

Me:Well, it looks like this thread died off about 6 months ago, lol, but I figure I'll give it a try anyways. I don't sing in a band or a choir or anything, but I sing a lot in the car and when I'm home alone. My chest voice reaches over two octaves and my falsetto (I think) pulls me up to around 3.5.
I guess the first thing I want to know is what the difference is between falsetto and head voice and how do I sing head voice.
Other than that, I've been listening to a lot of Queen lately and can hit most of the notes in chest voice, but not all of them. Does anyone have any tips to stretch out my chest range? I'm pretty sure I'm a baritone, but probably a higher one, if that makes any sense.

Snap, one more thing. After singing songs that are out of my range for like 30 minutes in the car, my voice is kinda shot, obviously. But about an hour later, my chest voice range is probably around 3 octaves or more! Suddenly, I have this huge range! Does anyone know why that might be? I'd love to use that without straining my voice in advance.

Thanks for the help!




Merkaba: Yea it died off about six months ago because we have an offical singing thread. And there are always at least two or three active voice threads. Obviously you got here from a google search or likewise. Post in the other threads so this one will die off again! But for now...youre not singing queen in chest voice. Chest voice is your mid to low range and you feel the vibrations of resonance in your chest. Head voice is your upper range and you feel the vibrations in your head. Chest and head are considered true, "real" voice. Falsetto is after head and your cords dont fully vibrate, but instead they open up more and more or less cut the air like a wind instrument. noone is going to have a 3 octave chest voice, trust me...but i Know what youre getting at. I would suggest you post a sample in one of the other threads.

How much do you warm up? You could be experiencing the effects of having been warmed up over time. If youre not familiar you might be using falsetto and not really knowing it. Not that any of it ever matters in rock music because its about your delivery and sound. But it is priceless to know where your natural breaks are so that you can work them so you can have a seamless range, allowing you to pull up head or chest or pull down falsetto or head if you "make a mistake".



So here's my response. I don't really warm up. I pretty much only sing in the car, so there's usually no time. I'm sure I'm not using falsetto 'cause I've used it before to sing along to things like Journey, so I'm very familiar with it. I can pull it very low, but I'm not sure of a note. Also, the reason I didn't think I was singing in head voice for Queen is because there's no break from low to high for me, usually. I've never had any training, so I doubt I have merged my chest and head voices to the point where I don't notice the change:p So, it's a mystery to me, lol.

[QUOTE=Merkaba;13300086]You have no breath support. Breath support...."This changes everything"...sorry circa survive flashback.... its easier to phonate falsetto with no breath support because all of the cords area isn't vibrating, only the edges. Say ahh like you would for the doctor, in your speaking range, and get a bit loud,while practicing. You've got to get in touch with proper breath and diaphragm and then you will be a different singer. Take a deep breath and start it like you were surprised or startled. The instinct of the body knows how to take a proper breath even if you don't. If you were in flight or flight you would take a big one like that because you would need the air and the internal pressure.

go here...[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911&page=36[/url][/QUOTE]

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/C78F03E80056C5DF[/url]

do this?
or should i go higher and such?
and from the other page are you talking about the motor boats?

[QUOTE=Microm;13306330][url]http://download.yousendit.com/C78F03E80056C5DF[/url]

do this?
or should i go higher and such?
and from the other page are you talking about the motor boats?[/QUOTE]

well doing the ahh's are for getting the feel of keeping the larynx open and relaxed. Do them on different pitches. lowes to highest.

The "startled breath" is only to give you an idea. YOur stomach should bellow out. But when you sing you don't want to take these quick breaths...but it will be deeper and a bit slower but still the same feeling. Kinda like a slower deeper startledness.....ness......ness....if thats even a word.

Hey, Merkaba.

I was just wondering how I can tell when I'm singing in my head voice. Like I said in my previous post, I can't hear or feel a break in my voice when I do a siren up in chest voice. In that full voice, I can just about hit the high note in Queen's "Who Wants to Live Forever," but I don't know what note it is and I don't have access to any instruments. In my falsetto, I can go higher than Freddie's high note in "Under Pressure" when David Bowie sings "love, love, love, love" and Freddie long high note slides up. Again, I don't know what note it is.

I guess the real question is this: I know that I am probably not hitting my highs in chest voice, but how can I tell when I switch to head. It sounds just as strong at my chest voice, but I've never had any training, so I would think it would be underdeveloped. Any insight?

Hey, I just figured out the notes if it helps. The high note in "Who Wants to Live Forever" is a D5. The high note in "Under Pressure" is an A5, which I can get significantly higher than. My chest voice can take me a little lower than A2 and my falsetto can get me down to around F3 or G3.

Youre not gonna hit any high notes in chest voice....its almost an oxymoron. If youre singing high, bet its either head or falsetto. Falsetto has less power and buzz...If you can't feel a definite break then make sure youre not straining or squeezing or feeling like youre trying or needing to concentrate.

Otherwise don't dwell on it for now. If your voice sounds fine you just need to know the feel for where youre at and how you need to proceed up or down.

If you can post a sample it would help.

I don't know. Practice?
Well, voice lessons suck so lets take that option off.
If you play the piano or know how to read sheet music, you'll probably be a better singer.
So all I can say now is Practice.

Alright, thanks. If I can get around to it, I'll record a sample and post it somewhere.

If I were to post a few audio samples of a "how to scream" thing, would anyone use them? I have a different style and technique than Merkaba, and basically my whole approach to screaming is different. It's simple and easy to understand/use, and I think a lot of users here could benefit from it.

Just let me know if anyone would like to hear it.

[QUOTE=Toaster;13345320]If I were to post a few audio samples of a "how to scream" thing, would anyone use them? I have a different style and technique than Merkaba, and basically my whole approach to screaming is different. It's simple and easy to understand/use, and I think a lot of users here could benefit from it.

Just let me know if anyone would like to hear it.[/QUOTE]

I'm always interested in new things. Can never learn enough. :thumb:

also posted in merkaba's thread:
I have been doing inhaled screaming a lot lately. I find it a lot easier to do than exhaled, and it doesn't hurt me at all (in my throat area). The only place that it kind of hurts is my chest area. Nothing severe or anything, it just feels like I have been running a lot. So is there anything I can do to warmup this area of my body?

Screaming question?
 

I have no clue if i'm doing it right. I think it's more like just throating it, cause like I don't have that high pitch thing indicating a scream but it sounds close to one. I'm a bit confused. I have a clear throat and it comes out and it doesn't hurt my throat at all.

Help me!
I've got a gig coming up soon.
And I've been struggling to belt out high notes ever since I'm nearing my gig's date. It's my first gig so I guess nervousness is settling in.
My fear now is that I would belt out the high notes in an ugly manner due to a tensed throat.

Any tips or hints? :confused:

[QUOTE=RyoHazuk1;13409067]I have no clue if i'm doing it right. I think it's more like just throating it, cause like I don't have that high pitch thing indicating a scream but it sounds close to one. I'm a bit confused. I have a clear throat and it comes out and it doesn't hurt my throat at all.[/QUOTE]

If it doesn't hurt and you like the way it sounds then it should be fine.


Can someone please answer my question about inhaled screaming?

Ok, im the singer in my screamo/emo whatever the hell you wanna call it, and I have a very good scream and have been singing/screaming for 3 years now.But, I can only do like 7 or 8 songs then my throat starts to get raw and my screams pretty much fail me. I drink alot of water when I scream and practice all the time. Is there anything I can do, or am I stuck doing short sets? Sorry if this has been asked, I didnt feel like going through all the pages.

[QUOTE=ILikeToDreamToo;13409539]Help me!
I've got a gig coming up soon.
And I've been struggling to belt out high notes ever since I'm nearing my gig's date. It's my first gig so I guess nervousness is settling in.
My fear now is that I would belt out the high notes in an ugly manner due to a tensed throat.

Any tips or hints? :confused:[/QUOTE]
So youre getting nervous? How many millions of ways can someone tell you to relax? Youre doing what you want to do right? Relax. So what if you crap a note. But yea, who wants to do that? So what you should be doing is practicing singing the note....not belting it. If you've got a mic theres no reason to do much belting. Yet you can make it sound like a belt when it isnt. What kind of stuff are you doing?

Your problem obviously stems from confidence. Practice and repetition leads to consitency which will lead you to not worrying. Hell, If I could get a band together I would give up a crap note in sacrifice. At least you have a gig!

[QUOTE=TiNk;13415181]Ok, im the singer in my screamo/emo whatever the hell you wanna call it, and I have a very good scream and have been singing/screaming for 3 years now.But, I can only do like 7 or 8 songs then my throat starts to get raw and my screams pretty much fail me. I drink alot of water when I scream and practice all the time. Is there anything I can do, or am I stuck doing short sets? Sorry if this has been asked, I didnt feel like going through all the pages.[/QUOTE]
Youre either blowing too hard and too much for your current level or ability, or/and youre tensing up your throat and thus intesifying the former. You also might be trying to scream in the wrong register. Screaming is screaming. Singing is hell enough on the cords not to mention three times the force, pressure, heat, tension, etc. that screaming brings them. Post a sample.


[QUOTE=fuzzyhair;13410182]If it doesn't hurt and you like the way it sounds then it should be fine.


Can someone please answer my question about inhaled screaming?[/QUOTE]

Well youre doing the exact opposite of what your system is used to doing and more than likely intended to do. Of course working out and jogging is wonderful for singing and vocals. Other than that.....youre talking about unorthodoxed techniques so....good luck. I would warm up normally singing wise. You could probablly benefit from taking giant breaths....so big that it kinda hurts and see how deep of a breath you can take. I wouldnt do more than three of these back to back less you run a risk of hyperventilating. :wave:

I've to belt out as it expresses the liveliness of the song. And belting out high notes is like gambling for me as it all depends on how relaxed I am.

I guess the only hope I have now would be trying not to be nervous and just to enjoy myself on stage. Oh, and not to forget warming up before performing.

Any other tips on preperation would be welcomed, though. Thanks! :chug:

drinking water
 

your supposed to drink lots of water while singing right?

would green tea surve the same purpose? just wondering.

yeah, green tea with warm water and honey if you can :chug: