I haven't actually heard Keelhaul, I've just heard plenty of comparisons between them and Botch. I didn't think so, but apparently Mudvayne and Meshuggah are counted as math metal as well.

[QUOTE=Bartender]I haven't actually heard Keelhaul, I've just heard plenty of comparisons between them and Botch. I didn't think so, but apparently Mudvayne and Meshuggah are counted as math metal as well.[/QUOTE]

there isnt a chance that Mudvayne is in the same category as dillinger, converge, and botch.

Like I say, I thought not, but apparently their time sig changes are frantic enough to be classed as math metal.

Speaking of Botch, I've only heard An Anthology of Dead Ends..if you don't mind, which of their full lengths should I get first?

we are the romans.



if you dont mind, please tell me a Mudvayne song that has a difficult time signature? i seriously want to know...... when i think of mudvayne i think of a less lame puddle of mudd.

ok, i just listened to "Death Blooms" By Mudvayne... i must say it was horrible.... i didnt hear any start/stop time sig. and the vocals reminded me of Linkin Park... and at the end of the song he faded out spewing this bull**** Goth type nonsense... it seemed like a step above lame, and about 250 steps below Math Metal.'




EDIT: A sub-sub-genre of Math Metal has been cited by some, including a member of Mudvayne. Mudvayne is a Peoria, Illinois, USA based Math Metal quartet strongly influnced by funk stylings and jazz song structures. They have become relatively well known for their previous incarnations which involved elaborate stage makeup and pseudonyms.


definetly not... i didnt hear any funk or jazz structure.
and who the **** cares about there stage makeup and pseudonyms.

[QUOTE=timesignature]we are the romans.



if you dont mind, please tell me a Mudvayne song that has a difficult time signature? i seriously want to know...... when i think of mudvayne i think of a less lame puddle of mudd.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. And sorry, I couldn't have recommended you a song by them; I don't listen to them. Heard a couple of tracks and thought they were crap, so I didn't bother going any further. You'd have to wait for someone who actually thinks they are math metal.

ok, i understand... i was confused for a second there....


Botch did a rendition of the Opera song O' Fortuna, which you should definetly check out..

Is that on one of the albums, or just something else completely?

Math metal is a cack term in my opinion.

Yeah, I don't like it either.

Math Metal? wtf...

I dont know what all those satanic dudes are trying to do - writing lyrics and poetry promoting satan and what not, because when they arrive in hell, the old Dark Lord is gonna have their as[b][i][/b][/i]s.

should mix metal with banjos!! lol!!

[QUOTE=Tangy zizzle]Can we get definitions for Alternative Metal, Grindcore and Avant-Garde Metal??[/QUOTE]

Grindcore is pretty much death metal except it can be super fast or slow,and it is more political.Napalm Death,Bolt Thrower,and Brutal Truth are pretty good Grindcore bands.

[QUOTE=HappyMarshmellow]Grind is all about speed, agression, complex or unusual song structures. In general, the riffs are short but of advanced technicality, the songs are very dynamic (changing pace about every 20 seconds), the drumming is very fast, and the screaming is just normal "scream your lungs off" stuff.

A "true" grind song probably doesn't go over three minutes. The shortest grind song I've heard was 5 seconds long, and there are many in the range of 30, 20, or 10 seconds. Typically, however, a grind song is about a minute and a half long.

There is probably no such thing as a "melodic grind" song, since grind emphasizes brutality, speed, and chaos.

Key groups: early Carcass, Pig Destroyer, Repulsion, early Death, Napalm Death, Burnt By The Sun (very nice live, I had the honor of witnessing), etc.

A more potent subsidary to Grind is Noise. Noise groups typically use drum machines at extreme speeds, they don't sing but rather bark or gurgle, they tend to utilize a lot of samples in their songs (wether it be an integral part or an intro/outro), and in general play as loud and fast as they can.

Groups include: The Berzerker, Fu[color=white]c[/color]k... I'm Dead, Lucifer D. Larynx and the Satanic Grind Dogs of Death, Mortician, Abandoned Grave, Ab-Norm, etc.[/QUOTE]

Napalm Death and most of the other Grindcore bands I have heard arn't intracate,can you give me an intricate on to listen to?.And Napalm Death's CD Scum had "You Suffer" and it is around 1 second long.

oh im such an idiot because king of dudes said i was without showing any proof...now whos the hypocrite?

idk if sum1 posted this becuz i didnt bother to read thru 34 pages, butwhat are the locust and the number 12 looks like you considered

[QUOTE=MC5]Grindcore is pretty much death metal except it can be super fast or slow,and it is more political.Napalm Death,Bolt Thrower,and Brutal Truth are pretty good Grindcore bands.[/QUOTE]

Grindcore doesn't tend to be slow and there's alittle bit more to it than sped up death metal.

[QUOTE=PunkGuitarist]idk if sum1 posted this becuz i didnt bother to read thru 34 pages, butwhat are the locust and the number 12 looks like you considered[/QUOTE]



Please say that again but this time coherently. :)

lol sry
What genre would the bands the Locust and the Number 12 looks like you be considered?

you forgot gothic, electronic, avante garde, atmospheric, technical, viking, folk,

Viking is Death Metal with well, Viking lyrics. Check out Amon Amarth for good Viking Metal.

Atmospheric is usually symphonic unless im much mistaken stuff like CoF and Emperor.

Folk is stuff like Wintersun and Finntroll.

this thread is the sh!t and helped alot, i think now my favorite genre of metal is that wierd symphonic black metal or whatever like lacunacoil and nightwish.

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]Viking is Death Metal with well, Viking lyrics. Check out Amon Amarth for good Viking Metal.[/QUOTE]


Viking metal doesn't just mean death metal, enslaved are viking metal and their black metal.

Yeah, "viking metal" tends to be called that entirely on the strength of the lyrics.

Is anyone going to answer my question?

Sorry. The Locust are grindcore, I think. Don't know about the other one.

lol thank you

[QUOTE]this thread is the sh!t and helped alot, i think now my favorite genre of metal is that wierd symphonic black metal or whatever like lacunacoil and nightwish.[/QUOTE]

Lacuna Coil and Nightwish are not symphonic black metal.