i can vote

but i never do, cant be arsed, they're gonna fuck it up whoevers in charge

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[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18277585]I wouldn't have voted labour even if the LDs hadn't existed; I would've abstained. "not being the tories" does not excuse the fact they left me with fewer human rights, and probably could have afforded their generous welfare programs if we hadn't had to spend all our money on two fucking pointless wars

"The poor students were brainwashed!"

One party were actually supporting things I liked; human rights, welfare programs, etc... So I voted for the party promising what I wanted. It sickens me that all of a sudden people are saying "OH MY GOD I'M NEVER VOTING LD AGAIN, PLEASE LABOUR LET ME BACK INTO YOUR WARM EMBRACE" when they introduced the fucking things (hindsight: fair shout, it was the cost of opening up uni education)[/QUOTE]

Labour fucked up more than enough, so it's hypocritical of Labour MPs to question the Liberal Democrats on recent events. What's even more annoying is that, instead of the LD actually answering the questions being put to them, they just list all the problems with Labour.

I'm no hypocrite so I deserve answers.

Even with all Labour's mistakes, fuckups and changes of heart (btw I agree the wars are pointless but that was Blair, there [I]definitely[/I] should have been a referendum), out of the three major parties, they were still better for me, perhaps in some cases it's better the devil you know. What I have learnt from everything over the last 15 years though, is that they're all the same and only vary mildly in the grand scheme of things; they're all capitalist.

If you are LD follower, are you not concerned at all that you might have been lied to just as the students were, but the policies you care about just haven't come to light yet? They promised one thing and are doing the complete opposite; what's to say they won't do that for all of their policies?

The Liberal Democrats are dead, but then I guess "you have to live before you die young".

i voted labour for years. and then gordon cocknose brown weasled his way into leadership. so i stopped.

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18277634]Labour fucked up more than enough, so it's hypocritical of Labour MPs to question the Liberal Democrats on recent events. What's even more annoying is that, instead of the LD actually answering the questions being put to them, they just list all the problems with Labour.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. They don't even bring up any of the good they've done (precious little that it is)

[QUOTE]Even with all Labour's mistakes, fuckups and changes of heart (btw I agree the wars are pointless but that was Blair, there [I]definitely[/I] should have been a referendum), out of the three major parties, they were still better for me, perhaps in some cases it's better the devil you know. What I have learnt from everything over the last 15 years though, is that they're all the same and only vary mildly in the grand scheme of things; they're all capitalist.
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My problem was that they refused to acknowledge any mistakes. They promised another 5 years of the same problems.

[QUOTE]If you are LD follower, are you not concerned at all that you might have been lied to just as the students were, but the policies you care about just haven't come to light yet? They promised one thing and are doing the complete opposite; what's to say they won't do that for all of their policies?[/QUOTE]

They didn't win, to be fair; but I'm uncomfortable with what they've made possible.

One thing to consider: the conservatives could easily afford to fight another election. Labour and the LDs absolutely could not. If LDs let the current government collapse, the consequence would be a straight tory majority, however shit they are.

[QUOTE]The Liberal Democrats are dead, but then I guess "you have to live before you die young".
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Yeah, who was it that said "they've had a go in power, now they can go back to being irrelevant for another 100 years". Grim stuff.

[quote=Sad But True;18276951]Fucker. Apparently Chino is sucking hard live atm though.[/quote]

Wasn't really any slip ups from him.. honestly, I think this is the only time I've ever seen a pro drummer mess up so frequently - kept speeding up and missing snare notes and doing dodgy fills. Very strange.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18278554]Exactly. They don't even bring up any of the good they've done (precious little that it is)[/quote]
To be fair, Labour have done [I]a lot[/I] of good things for this country but their fuckups over the last 15 years seem to overshadow their triumphs. Kinda like Liverpool FC (and that's coming from a Liverpool (and Blackpool) fan!).

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18278554]My problem was that they refused to acknowledge any mistakes. They promised another 5 years of the same problems.[/quote]
This is a problem with politicians, not specific parties. When questioned, they never address their shortcomings, they only drag up all the past shortcomings of the person/party asking the question. Instead of saying what they will do to fix the problem, they say what the other parties wouldn't do. Fuck them all, in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18278554]They didn't win, to be fair; but I'm uncomfortable with what they've made possible.
One thing to consider: the conservatives could easily afford to fight another election. Labour and the LDs absolutely could not. If LDs let the current government collapse, the consequence would be a straight tory majority, however shit they are.[/quote]
I'd agree with you and say the Tories would come out with the most votes again, but I very much doubt they would accumulate the same amount as votes as they did in the general election. In fact, I'd go as far to say that less people would vote than in the last general election, because people are starting to lose faith in politics. The last 3 general elections ('01, '05 and '10), although steadily increasing in turnout, have had the lowest average turnout in the last 60 years. So I think (and hope) that if there was another general election, it would be hung again. I love to see a complete political revolution because I don't really like the current system. You vote for someone to make all your decisions for you. You should be able to make your own, via referendums on [I]all[/I] major (and some 'minor') decisions. Then the country and the individual would be making the decisions, not those that sit atop the pyramid.

[QUOTE=Bruce E Kinesis;18278554]Yeah, who was it that said "they've had a go in power, now they can go back to being irrelevant for another 100 years". Grim stuff.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, grim is the word. It annoys me that we call this a democracy, yet there's realistically only two parties with a real chance. And as I said, whilst they may have radically different [I]policies[/I], their frame work and underlying philosophy is capitalist, so they're practically all the same.

still can't believe it's the same lod

sup mx

go fuck a goat Dave

[QUOTE=The Black Fist;18278672]still can't believe it's the same lod

sup mx[/QUOTE]


Sup.

At work a half an hour early, fun fun. Kinda down time at work currently anyways.

[QUOTE=motogrifo;18278674]go fuck a goat Dave[/QUOTE]

female*

trying to kick my drummer out of the band but wanting to collect the hundreds of dollars in rent he owes for our rehearsal space that we covered him for. Ideas that don't consist merely of breaking his legs go

[QUOTE=The Black Fist;18278688]trying to kick my drummer out of the band but wanting to collect the hundreds of dollars in rent he owes for our rehearsal space that we covered him for. Ideas that don't consist merely of breaking his legs go[/QUOTE]


Has he left his drums there? If so, take them and hold them until he pays.

taking inspiration from the douchebags in a band I left we were thinking of changing the locks on him and holding all his shit hostage. But that's quite a douche move, we don't want the guy to TOTALLY hate us. Well maybe the other guys do but I still like the guy

I'm clearly going to be the one to deal with this as I'm like Mufasa with these dummies

i'd go the hostage route.

i'm currently holding a guitar that belongs to a mate who owes me several hundred. silly him let me borrow it...

I don't think I've ever owed someone more than a tenner. I've certainly never BEEN owed more than 200, and that was from family, so I knew for damn sure I was getting it back.

As far as lending money to friends...I've never lent anyone more than about £30 at a time.

lent someone 300 quid once and got it back in increments, never owed more than about 15 i don't think

i owe my friend €20

i was out once and forgot to go to an atm so he gave me some $$ the thing is i rarely see him and he lives far away, ill give it back to em one of these days, usually i never owe anyone anything

[QUOTE=Squirrel;18277137]Well I used to box, did so for a few years, was unbeaten as a competitive amateur. Into Muay Tuay and jiu Jitsu these days cause im gonna compete in mma. Well, thats the plan!

140lbs for your height would be insane, you're 5'11 arent you?[/QUOTE]

MMA doesn't seem to get a lot of attention up here but I like guys like Bas Rutten, they're practical and if you've heard him talk he sounds like a decent guy and has a bunch of crazy stories to boot. Yeah, I'm 5'11" so even being a semi-lean 78kg feels a bit light for me, especially as I have long arms.

And Dave, take the equipment hostage and then send him pieces of it in the mail with the ransom demands.

>send pieces in mail with ransom demands
>doesn't pay ransom
>keep sending pieces with more ransom demands
>over time he recollects entire drumkit

flawed logic is flawed

Lending friends hundreds of dollars is a bad call. My buddy owed me $350 for like 3 years after I bought him a guitar and I eventually had to do the hostage situation and wow was he mad but I got my money and we're still friends

actually he's the guy that this drummer cunt owes most of his money to because he bailed him out

the easiest part of being in a band is making music, the rest of the grotesque politics that go along with it are the real headaches. Why do you have to LIKE the people you play with it's not fair

Oh man and I thought my band had issues. Our biggest thing is our other guitar player sucks at dialing in good tone.

worst part about being in a band is that most people can only "play" their instruments and don't actually know shit about music

[QUOTE=The Black Fist;18278735]>send pieces in mail with ransom demands
>doesn't pay ransom
>keep sending pieces with more ransom demands
>over time he recollects entire drumkit

flawed logic is flawed

Lending friends hundreds of dollars is a bad call. My buddy owed me $350 for like 3 years after I bought him a guitar and I eventually had to do the hostage situation and wow was he mad but I got my money and we're still friends

actually he's the guy that this drummer cunt owes most of his money to because he bailed him out

the easiest part of being in a band is making music, the rest of the grotesque politics that go along with it are the real headaches. Why do you have to LIKE the people you play with it's not fair[/QUOTE]

I didn't say you should send him all the pieces Davey boy, just a few with maybe pictures and an audio/video recording for proof of life. Push comes to shove just sell whatever crap of his you have to the value of what he owes.

[QUOTE=Papa Shank;18278755]I didn't say you should send him all the pieces Davey boy, just a few with maybe pictures and an audio/video recording for proof of life. Push comes to shove just sell whatever crap of his you have to the value of what he owes.[/QUOTE]

Something tells me you haven't thought this through, who would buy a kit with bits missing?

money money moneyeeeeeeeeeee in a rich mans worlddddd

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no the worst part about being in a band is that you wish everyone would quit trying to be creative and just play the parts you recorded

okay maybe that's just how it works in my band

e.g. this drummer we're booting. Fucking love his style, really jazzy syncopated stuff, but he's so ADHD that he never plays the songs the same way twice and so while he's off putting the accents in weird places and fucking with the snare placement we can't tell if he's fucking up or if he's being jazz. So I'll compensate, the bassist will keep going like normal, the singer gets completely fucked up and we sound like ass

damn creative douchebags

that's not creative that's being a shitty undisciplined drummer

undisciplined yes

shitty... well being undisciplined and unable to keep a band together with you is the definition of a shit drummer so yeah you're right

[QUOTE=The Black Fist;18278785]...we can't tell if he's fucking up or if he's being jazz[/QUOTE]

:lol:

[QUOTE=EmbraceRandom;18278599]To be fair, Labour have done [I]a lot[/I] of good things for this country but their fuckups over the last 15 years seem to overshadow their triumphs. Kinda like Liverpool FC (and that's coming from a Liverpool (and Blackpool) fan!).[/QUOTE]

Minimum wage, high participation in higher education, decent healthcare... Great. But I do not want any government to think they can ever get away with taking us to war based on lies again. Ever.
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This is a problem with politicians, not specific parties. When questioned, they never address their shortcomings, they only drag up all the past shortcomings of the person/party asking the question. Instead of saying what they will do to fix the problem, they say what the other parties wouldn't do. Fuck them all, in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Partly the press's fault. Politics is like the polar opposite of science.

Try something, find it doesn't work, keep doing it anyway because the press will crucify you for a "u-turn"

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I'd agree with you and say the Tories would come out with the most votes again, but I very much doubt they would accumulate the same amount as votes as they did in the general election. In fact, I'd go as far to say that less people would vote than in the last general election, because people are starting to lose faith in politics. The last 3 general elections ('01, '05 and '10), although steadily increasing in turnout, have had the lowest average turnout in the last 60 years. So I think (and hope) that if there was another general election, it would be hung again. I love to see a complete political revolution because I don't really like the current system. You vote for someone to make all your decisions for you. You should be able to make your own, via referendums on [I]all[/I] major (and some 'minor') decisions. Then the country and the individual would be making the decisions, not those that sit atop the pyramid.
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It'd be nice if we could be a bit more like the scandinavian countries politically. I think most of these problems could be solved with proportional representation, but people are idiots (look how this coalition turned out! /facepalm) and those in power won't pass laws to give it up...

[QUOTE]Yeah, grim is the word. It annoys me that we call this a democracy, yet there's realistically only two parties with a real chance. And as I said, whilst they may have radically different [I]policies[/I], their frame work and underlying philosophy is capitalist, so they're practically all the same.[/QUOTE]

You can certaintly say that labour is more socialist than con in my opinion, but the idea that the "price" of socialism is not higher taxes but the erosion of people's human rights and the right of the government to go to war on a yank-fellating whim disgusts me.

[QUOTE=The_Mop;18278591]Wasn't really any slip ups from him.. honestly, I think this is the only time I've ever seen a pro drummer mess up so frequently - kept speeding up and missing snare notes and doing dodgy fills. Very strange.[/QUOTE]

lack of heroin, feelin a little sick