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gaslight 10-20-2009 02:19 AM

I never use compressors live, I abhor them.

In a studio setting if an engineer wants to use them in the mixing stages then that's fine, that's his yard, but I just don't want that kind of thing on my sound.

Micing a bass cab for recording it's good to take a DI signal and use a mic, more than one mic is better because it gives you more options in the mixing stage.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 07:52 AM

[quote=Joelbassman;17584520]There's no need to compress it twice though. One should be more than enough.

Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's a good idea to send the DI to the compressor. It should be fine, but A) i'm not familiar with the RB1 or your compressor. And B) You should just be able to go from the output with a regular jack lead to the compressor.

Is this in the studio or live?[/quote]

I've heard that you can get a cleaner, more controlled sound if you compress mildly twice in series instead of a lot of compression just once.

It'll be for both the studio and for live applications. When I actually sit down in the studio, I have fairly consistent output levels because I don't play as heavy. Also, the recording guy works with his own compression in the recordings, so I don't want to step on his toes too much - just a little bit of compression to clean it up.

BenJammin 10-20-2009 08:22 AM

Sup guys?

Waiting till 1pm (1.5 more hours) so I can go to the post office and pick up a vinyl that I wasn't around to receive yesterday.

gaslight 10-20-2009 08:36 AM

Just writing out a heap of sheets for guitar students, watching Mythbusters, gonna be drinking something in a minute but I haven't decided what yet.

Thinking, Ribena.

BenJammin 10-20-2009 08:51 AM

What's Ribena?

gaslight 10-20-2009 09:02 AM

It's a blackcurrant sort of fruit drink.

BenJammin 10-20-2009 09:07 AM

Oh, nice.

Ugh, Thursday is grocery day and it shows... I have, like, nothing to eat.

gaslight 10-20-2009 09:08 AM

Yeah I gotta hit the supermarket tomorrow.

TimJim 10-20-2009 09:19 AM

[quote=BenJammin;17584814]Oh, nice.

Ugh, Thursday is grocery day and it shows... I have, like, nothing to eat.[/quote]
yeah i just said **** it and eat out all the time


especially since i work at a restraunt and get massive meals for like $1.30USD

BenJammin 10-20-2009 09:27 AM

Well, yeah. I'd do that too, but I don't work for a restaurant.

gaslight 10-20-2009 09:33 AM

Yeah neither do I anymore.

No perks for me.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 09:42 AM

[quote=gaslight;17584604]I never use compressors live, I abhor them.

In a studio setting if an engineer wants to use them in the mixing stages then that's fine, that's his yard, but I just don't want that kind of thing on my sound.

Micing a bass cab for recording it's good to take a DI signal and use a mic, more than one mic is better because it gives you more options in the mixing stage.[/quote]

What's wrong with the sound of a compressor?

I guess, if I were playing with a pick and a lot of treble/high mids, the compressor would be disgusting to my ears too (in fact, I remember that I hated the way it sounded when I slapped). But for fingerstyle playing, I think it tightens it up just enough and sounds decent. It's not like I'm really in a position to be extremely critical about my live bass tone - not in a hard rock band with two guitarists playing small clubs with poopty PAs and soundguys that can't mix all that well.

I've never cared for the sound of my mic'd cabs - probably because I use some Carvin cabs that don't do much to color my sound.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 09:43 AM

I bought a 4-space rack last night, and it doesn't fit my amp. I'm pretty sad, actually. :upset:

The amp has these handles that stick out of the front and they are too long to fit inside the rack case. Handles are welded on and cannot be removed. :(

gaslight 10-20-2009 09:47 AM

I find compressors just get in my way when I'm playing, I'd rather control my dynamics myself.

I have a Digitech Compressor/Sustainer but I only really use it to generate specific things for home recordings and whatnot. Live I just don't want to bother with one, I just take my bass and plug in and that'll do. Just a personal preference not an objective denunciation of compressors or anything.

That's a bummer about the rack dude :(. Refund, store credit?

BenJammin 10-20-2009 09:47 AM

The last couple of songs my band has recorded, we've mic'd my amp. It sounds a lot better.

gaslight 10-20-2009 09:55 AM

Yeah, the best option when recording is to end up with DI tracks and mic'ed tracks, that way you can choose which to use later rather than not having options.

Recorded an album recently with my head DI'd (pre-EQ) and two microphones on the cab, sounds dynamite in the control room really looking forward to the mixing stages.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 10:03 AM

[quote=gaslight;17584885]I find compressors just get in my way when I'm playing, I'd rather control my dynamics myself.

I have a Digitech Compressor/Sustainer but I only really use it to generate specific things for home recordings and whatnot. Live I just don't want to bother with one, I just take my bass and plug in and that'll do. Just a personal preference not an objective denunciation of compressors or anything.

That's a bummer about the rack dude :(. Refund, store credit?[/quote]

I like to control dynamics too, but the sound guys apparently don't care for it. Meh, no skin off of my nose.

I can refund it for sure, but I really liked the look, feel, weight, and price of the SKB Roto Rack. I may not get my 10% off coupon back, though. :upset:

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 10:04 AM

[quote=gaslight;17584893]Yeah, the best option when recording is to end up with DI tracks and mic'ed tracks, that way you can choose which to use later rather than not having options.

Recorded an album recently with my head DI'd (pre-EQ) and two microphones on the cab, sounds dynamite in the control room really looking forward to the mixing stages.[/quote]

I just can't see having 3 bass tracks simultaneously recording.

gaslight 10-20-2009 10:15 AM

There's like over 40 tracks on the desk so it won't hurt it.

The idea is not to keep them all in the end product, but each one will capture different nuances of the sound, especially the microphones will respond differently towards your low and high end, and you can pick from between more options to get a better capture of the sound. Tasty stuff.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 10:19 AM

Oh, so you don't merge them together in the end?

gaslight 10-20-2009 10:27 AM

Nah, merging them together would be pretty nasty 'cause you get phase issues from the microphones and it would probably be a muddy sticky mess.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 10:34 AM

[quote=gaslight;17584953]Nah, merging them together would be pretty nasty 'cause you get phase issues from the microphones and it would probably be a muddy sticky mess.[/quote]

Okay, that's what I figured.

I've never recorded in a professional setting that would allow more than 12 tracks at a time, so I've always recorded with only one bass track. Damnit, I might have to start caring about my cabs and their sound for studio use.

gaslight 10-20-2009 10:42 AM

Worth experimenting :).

But it doesn't have to be done that way all the time, it was a pretty luxurious effort for the bass on that occasion. It's more important to be able to sound good just dropped in with a DI than having to go to all fussin' every time. Just nice to do it sometimes.

Sounding good with one track to the bass is totally doable, hell, the Funk Brothers used to record about 8 people onto the same track at once.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 10:51 AM

No wonder Johnny April (Staind) uses cheap $400 stock basses...he's running through a $10,000 rig...

[url]http://www.brusabass.com/blog/index.php?itemid=235[/url]

Good God...I'd hate to move and transport all of that...



EDIT: :lol: What do you think that guy in the third pic is trying to catch in his mouth?

BenJammin 10-20-2009 11:07 AM

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Wolvesandwishes.jpg[/img]

Dosh - Wolves and Wishes

Showed up today. Still on the A Side, but it's sounding excellent.

FunkMetalBass 10-20-2009 11:10 AM

[quote=BenJammin;17585021][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Wolvesandwishes.jpg[/IMG]

Dosh - Wolves and Wishes

Showed up today. Still on the A Side, but it's sounding excellent.[/quote]

Album art suggests some sort of lighter alternative/ambient. Maybe?

BenJammin 10-20-2009 11:14 AM

It's minimalistic beat-driven electronic music.

gaslight 10-20-2009 11:18 AM

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;17585002]No wonder Johnny April (Staind) uses cheap $400 stock basses...he's running through a $10,000 rig...

[url]http://www.brusabass.com/blog/index.php?itemid=235[/url]

Good God...I'd hate to move and transport all of that...



EDIT: :lol: What do you think that guy in the third pic is trying to catch in his mouth?[/QUOTE]

Holy flirking schnit.

BenJammin 10-20-2009 11:34 AM

I've also got 7 more albums in the mail.

I started the year with 0 vinyl LPs and I'm now sitting at ~55 + incoming.

gaslight 10-20-2009 11:35 AM

Awesome dude.

I promised myself one new record a month when I got my vinyl player but my budget hasn't allowed me to keep my promise :(.

Thanks a lot, me.


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