China didnt have a government. It was a figure head monarchy and a thousand dissorganized factions.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347448]"And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, [B]arguably.[/B]"

How is that claiming it to be perfect, I said it was arguably more advanced than any of the civilizations he mentioned not "Greece was perfect."[/QUOTE]


Didn't incans have all sorts of mathmatical ****? And I thought a lot of math, biology, etc. was brought up from the middle east.

And you didn't need to freak out because I said perfect. I didn't say anything to spark an argument, I just thought you should know about Greece.

In the 1800's it did, you're thinkign of like, Dynasty Warriors bro, that takes place in like, the 1400s. The Qin Dynasty consolidated most of China into one big country.

PS: in resposne to revolution

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347650]In the 1800's it did, you're thinkign of like, Dynasty Warriors bro, that takes place in like, the 1400s. The Qin Dynasty consolidated most of China into one big country.

PS: in resposne to revolution[/QUOTE]

China in the 1800s was a loose confederation, most of the country was unruled. The only real stability was the coastal areas, while the rest of the country was basically autonomous.

Serious stuff ITT.

I started this serious conversation.
I rool.

[QUOTE=Crack-Rock-Steady;13347720]Serious stuff ITT.[/QUOTE]



lollercaust. Good'n Joe.

'Night punx!

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and now back to your regularly schedualed community thread nonsense

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347560]The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said[/QUOTE]
The Chinese did not initially refuse to trade with the British. They were trading with the Europeans for centuries. The British were just losing lots of money on the deal because they had to trade directly silver for the goods they wanted. Except for the opium they traded into the country. The British smuggled opium into the country to make a profit, not to hook the citizens on a drug. The citizens were already hooked before the emperor banned it. The war started when the merchants were forced to give up all of their opium before entering Chinese ports, which amounted to a massive loss of money, and that triggered the war...not any drive to invade China.

I have no doubt the city was plundered. Read history...the victors always punder the riches of the losers. That's how war was done.

But right there you say people aren't equal, that's BS. If anything minorities are given more privilege than white people nowadays. It's great you have trouble balancing your cultures, but it's a mental thing, it's nothing society or the government forces on you.
[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347587]That was after they forced the Chinese government to let them do it.[/QUOTE]
The British did not force anything upon the Chinese until the actual Opium war which was over a massive loss of product. Please read history.
[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347648]Didn't incans have all sorts of mathmatical ****? And I thought a lot of math, biology, etc. was brought up from the middle east.

And you didn't need to freak out because I said perfect. I didn't say anything to spark an argument, I just thought you should know about Greece.[/QUOTE]

Both the Incans and the Mayans had a lot of mathematical theories, most especially relating to Astronomy. Most were derived before we found out about them though so we don't attribute it to them, and many more were wrong, but fit the data they had at the time. The concept of zero is attributable to them, however.

The Middle East is also the source of many ideas, due in part to the advancement of culture in that entire region...greece, turkey, all those areas. Very rich in advanced concepts.

That was definitely not me freaking out :)

But it's pretty insulting you think I wouldn't realize Greece was imperfect.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13346985]most white kids don't know sh'it about their respective european histories.[/QUOTE]

f'realz. all i know is my ancestors liked to eat potatoes and do jigs.

[QUOTE=EightMilesHigh;13349376]f'realz. all i know is my ancestors liked to eat potatoes and do jigs.[/QUOTE]

I know 'bout my respective European history. Mostly Polish.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13348290]
But right there you say people aren't equal, that's BS. If anything minorities are given more privilege than white people nowadays. It's great you have trouble balancing your cultures, but it's a mental thing, it's nothing society or the government forces on you.
[/QUOTE]
The poorer neighborhoods are mostly minority populated. Poorer neighborhoods get less education, and less education means less oppuurtunities. I don't know enough to say who's responsible, but as far as I can tell, it's mostly a lack of drive to better themselves. I never blamed the government, it says so right there. Also, I'm not in favor of affirmative action, that's reverse racism. And I do believe that my cultural conflict is a result of the society that I live in, not soemthing I made up in my head. And I didn't say it was forced on me, it's just a consequence of my circumstances. Please read everytihng I write before you respond to me.

Actually, I think it's more to do with class than race.

Exactly. Poor white people are in the same plight. Rich minorities are just as well off as white rich people. Affirmitive action would be great if it discriminated based on economic status and not race. Because race is not the dividing line anymore, class is. Poor people struggle.

There are a lot of papers out there about how cultures have meshed and created what is modern American culture, but I've never seen papers out there talking about culture clashes. The only real culture clash I see nowadays is a religion clash. So as far as I'm concerned it is in your head and if you'd like to provide evidence to prove me wrong go for it.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13350989]Exactly. Poor white people are in the same plight. Rich minorities are just as well off as white rich people. Affirmitive action would be great if it discriminated based on economic status and not race. Because race is not the dividing line anymore, class is. Poor people struggle.[/QUOTE]

I don't think race has ever been a real divide. Racism, like sexism and borders (the ones between countries), is a method used to divide working class people. The only real divide between people has always been power, and in human society, since the use of currency, money has determined power. So in a society run by money, those with money have more power than those without money, and so more opportunity to do whatever they want.

Well that's the base issue, but back in the day, there weren't free black men, and so there was a racial divider...and when women could not own property, there was a sex division...even if it all was based on power.

SEX DIVISIOon

is there a thread on Cheap Sex anywhere?

They kick just a little bit of a[size=2]s[/size]s.

edit:

WHOA, I wrote a chorus almost identical to Launch Off To War.

Trippy.

[QUOTE=Jon;13352071]is there a thread on Cheap Sex anywhere?[/QUOTE]

No, and let's keep it that way.

Pfft.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13350989]Exactly. Poor white people are in the same plight. Rich minorities are just as well off as white rich people. Affirmitive action would be great if it discriminated based on economic status and not race. Because race is not the dividing line anymore, class is. Poor people struggle.

There are a lot of papers out there about how cultures have meshed and created what is modern American culture, but I've never seen papers out there talking about culture clashes. The only real culture clash I see nowadays is a religion clash. So as far as I'm concerned it is in your head and if you'd like to provide evidence to prove me wrong go for it.[/QUOTE]
The poorerclasses tend to be made up of more minorities.

And as far as proving you wrong, sure, let me videotape a day in my life and send it to you. What do you want me to do? It pisses me off that you insist that something I experience often is a construct of my mind. And you're mad if you've enver heard anyone say anything about culture clashes, that, or the only race that has culture clashes is Asians.

And Cheap Sex threads are a ban.

Why =/

Because everyone else here doesn't like Cheap Sex

I see that the NOFX thread is flourishing.

"and I don't think Hanoi rocks" pretty much killed that band for me in a single line, wankers.

L-O-L. I'll wanker your face, hating on NOFX.

I'll wanker your face (what language are you speaking, because it isn't English), hating on me for hating on a band that hates on Hanoi Rocks, kind sir.

I'll hate on your face, [I]kind sir.[/I]

B-Rad showin' Jon what it do in America!

And what it do is sarcasm and italics.

[I]Kind sir[/I]

Kevin knows what's up.