most white kids don't know sh'it about their respective european histories.

[QUOTE=Rise Me Up;13345734]Well, you bitch and moan about everyone's posts and I was just curious why you always do because you don't post that much.[/QUOTE]

No, I am telling you why. You're an asshole so I will be an asshole. I guess you're only 15, and thats why.

1. I post, that what counts. Isn't it common sense to only post in a thread that interests you? Yes. Ex. You made a camper van thread, and I like the band = me posting in it.
2. I piss and moan? I made one comment directed to things like [QUOTE]Dude, saying stuff like "oooh kinky" or "lol lol i am going to fart on your face lol the internet is serziouz business" isn't funny and it belongs in your AOL/MSN conversations, even soulseek.[/QUOTE] I barely "piss and moan" about this, most of the time I even don't care, but every now and then I point out the thread could be a lot more interesting if you didn't act like 14 year old skater kids. So how is that being an asshole? Just use your common sense man. It's obviously easier to label someone an "asshole" just because they are countering you for once.

Whatever man, thats just my opinion, don't get worked up by it because in reality...you win. More people are on your side for having conversations of just calling things gay and eating doritos.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13346985]most white kids don't know sh'it about their respective european histories.[/QUOTE]

I know man, it's sad for anyone not to know their roots, or even who or where their great great grandparents came from.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13346949]Most black people don't know anything about black history in general. It has been lost in the years since they came here from Africa, or, of you mean African American history, well, I think every person knows about that because I'm pretty sure AMerican history is required to graduate.[/QUOTE]

African American history, I just feel that African American history is pulling it's self in the ground with everyone trying conforming to this ghetto estique culture. I'm black and not poor, I see no reason I have to wear pants that are to baggy and pay 120 dollers for shoes.

I was just thinking about it today since I might go to a black college out of highschool.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13346985]most white kids don't know sh'it about their respective european histories.[/QUOTE]

Nor do most even care. In reality, most kids don't care about their history period. As such, not much of their modern culture is related to their historical one.

Edit to Juan: Oh, yeah I agree. Modern black culture does seem very regressive, but kids do what they want. I mean, if poor and ghetto is cool, let them have their fun...despite the inherent irony in ghetto style costing too much for anyone actually living in the ghetto.

That's not the point here. As a minority, I can say that I constantly feel a sense of dispalcement, that this isn't where I'm supposed to be, and that I need to act a certainw ay to be acceptable, but at the same time, there are things about my ethnic identity that I don't know enough about, and it leaves me feeling like I have an identity crisis. Entire races have been reduceed to lawn mowers, thugs, and geeks.

But at one time we were kings, warriors, and civilized beyond the point of some European countries, but still as white people are the majority, when people hear "African" they probably think of some bushtreading face painted blowgun wielding jungle savage, not the empires that spanend the Savannah and Timbuktu, where Greeks came to learn from African philosophers. "Mexican" makes us think of a river hopping gandener, not the Incas or Mayas who were tricked by Europeans and became nearly extinct. "Asians" makes you think of a nerdy kid who wears glasses and probably speaks poor English, not the continent that yielded civilizations too complex for Europeans to understand, which led to the use of "Chinese' as a slang adjective for confusing.

Not enough of anybody recognizes that.

PS: I typed this in response to Reovlution;s post at the top of the page. A lot happens eh?

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347017]Nor do most even care. In reality, most kids don't care about their history period. As such, not much of their modern culture is related to their historical one.

Edit to Juan: Oh, yeah I agree. Modern black culture does seem very regressive, but kids do what they want. I mean, if poor and ghetto is cool, let them have their fun...despite the inherent irony in ghetto style costing too much for anyone actually living in the ghetto.[/QUOTE]

Well, if children are our future then I feel that black people will seriouly be gorrilas in 20 years.

I was reading in the paper how any sucessful African American highschool student doesn't go to African American colleges becasue they feel like they arn't black. When has been stupid been a black trait?

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347042]not the continent that yielded civilizations too complex for Europeans to understand[/QUOTE]

don't be racist.

I'm sick of being lumped in to the oppressive European pile. While the "europeans" (mostly english, french, spanish) oppressed you guys, my people were being enslaved and oppressed themselves. Im tired of people thinking my ancestors were brutal slave masters instead of what they really were.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13347082]don't be racist.

I'm sick of being lumped in to the oppressive European pile. While the "europeans" (mostly english, french, spanish) oppressed you guys, my people were being enslaved and oppressed themselves. Im tired of people thinking my ancestors were brutal slave masters instead of what they really were.[/QUOTE]

Well, the Europeans arn't the nicest people.

there's no such thing as the nicest people. All races have committed equally horrible attrocities. No one is more moral than the other.

It wasn't meant to be "europeans are dumb" it was an emphasis on the advancement of Asian culture. Also, it's true. It doesn't amtter what COUNTRY your descendants were fron, you're White, and we'll talkmin terms of White, Asian, Black, Hispanic, Native American and so on. White people have a numbers advantage over any minority in America. It's okay to say cracker and ****, because at the end of the day, White people are still in control of most of the government and most financial isntitutions. However, this isn't White people's fault, this is due to the lack of unity in the minority demographic to strive for equality toghether.

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13347112]there's no such thing as the nicest people. All races have committed equally horrible attrocities. No one is more moral than the other.[/QUOTE]

I dunno, how many wars have the Swiss been in?

the balance of power has shifted throughout history and it will do so again. Don't fret my different coloured friends my people's time at the top is pretty much over. I suggest we all start learning chinese.

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347042]That's not the point here. As a minority, I can say that I constantly feel a sense of dispalcement, that this isn't where I'm supposed to be, and that I need to act a certainw ay to be acceptable, but at the same time, there are things about my ethnic identity that I don't know enough about, and it leaves me feeling like I have an identity crisis. Entire races have been reduceed to lawn mowers, thugs, and geeks.

But at one time we were kings, warriors, and civilized beyond the point of some European countries, but still as white people are the majority, when people hear "African" they probably think of some bushtreading face painted blowgun wielding jungle savage, not the empires that spanend the Savannah and Timbuktu, where Greeks came to learn from African philosophers. "Mexican" makes us think of a river hopping gandener, not the Incas or Mayas who were tricked by Europeans and became nearly extinct. "Asians" makes you think of a nerdy kid who wears glasses and probably speaks poor English, not the continent that yielded civilizations too complex for Europeans to understand, which led to the use of "Chinese' as a slang adjective for confusing.

Not enough of anybody recognizes that.

PS: I typed this in response to Reovlution;s post at the top of the page. A lot happens eh?[/QUOTE]
Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.
[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347049]Well, if children are our future then I feel that black people will seriouly be gorrilas in 20 years.

I was reading in the paper how any sucessful African American highschool student doesn't go to African American colleges becasue they feel like they arn't black. When has been stupid been a black trait?[/QUOTE]
Any predominately poor ethnic group is bound to dehumanize themselves further and further because rather than climb the social ladder using assistane such as Affirmitive Action they content themselves with mediocrity and force themselves to believe there's nothing better to be had.

Stupidity has always been a black trait, due to economic status.

[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347144]I dunno, how many wars have the Swiss been in?[/QUOTE]

swiss mercenaries were pretty bad *** killers and known world wide up until around 1900

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.

Any predominately poor ethnic group is bound to dehumanize themselves further and further because rather than climb the social ladder using assistane such as Affirmitive Action they content themselves with mediocrity and force themselves to believe there's nothing better to be had.

[B]Stupidity has always been a black trait, due to economic status.[/B][/QUOTE]
So then are you really stupid if you can't afford to actually educate yourself?

[QUOTE=(r)evolution;13347153]swiss mercenaries were pretty bad *** killers and known world wide up until around 1900[/QUOTE]

I was joking.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]Haha, what? You feel displaced in this melting pot culture? WTF? That's BS man, I'm a minority too and I feel entirely in touch not only with my status as an American but also as a Latino. If you think the two cultures cannot mix you are wrong, I know tons of Latinos who mix their heritage with average American culture.

And FYI, Mexicans have a lot of European blood in them, Europeans came over centuries ago, raped the women and killed the men. SO chances are you're more European than Incan or Mayan or any of those long since extinct races. And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.
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A) Thank you for telling me exactly how I feel. Your own feelings are obviously a bulletproof model for what everyone else experiences. Latino culture has been being mixed with American culture since the 1500s, and arguably, it may or may not have been a smooth process. European countries did not have the type of relationship they had with the Americas until the 1800s. You have three hundred years on us. I don't think two cultures cannot mix. It's just pretty difficult for the Asian sense of being bound to serve your parents and my American feeling of independence that conflict.
B) I know how Latinos were born, but that doesn't mean that becase of their blood percentage levels they should forget that at least one half of their great ancestors were Native American.

I'm an American :cool:

[QUOTE=SantaDuJuan;13347181]So then are you really stupid if you can't afford to actually educate yourself?
[/QUOTE]
You misunderstand. Poor people live in poorer neighborhoods, which have lesser education systems. Thus, poor people cannot be educated as well. However, take a smart person in a poor neighborhood. They still attend the same school and even if they are bright, they can't get any better an education, and education is critical to intelligence. If the brightest kid around was never taught to do math properly, he can't be blamed for it, but he's not smart still.
[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347182]A) Thank you for telling me exactly how I feel. Your own feelings are obviously a bulletproof model for what everyone else experiences. Latino culture has been being mixed with American culture since the 1500s, and arguably, it may or may not have been a smooth process. European countries did not have the type of relationship they had with the Americas until the 1800s. You have three hundred years on us. I don't think two cultures cannot mix. It's just pretty difficult for the Asian sense of being bound to serve your parents and my American feeling of independence that conflict.
B) I know how Latinos were born, but that doesn't mean that becase of their blood percentage levels they should forget that at least one half of their great ancestors were Native American.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.

I'm confused. Europeans were in Asia and Central America at the same time, actually, they were in Asia first. Columbus went sailing for India (Asia) in 1492, so they were well aware of that culture's presence prior. In fact, Marco Polo was trading with China as early as the 1300's. So that's over half a millenia of mutual cultural assimilation. European culture is more dominant because it's a more forceful culture but to say Europeans weren't interacting with Asians until the 1800's is ignorant.

Modern Mexican culture has existed since the European invasion, and that is what Mexican culture is. Mayan and Incan culture are not Mexican culture. If your great x 5 grandfather came from culture A, and then all your other cutural history is based in culture B, you embrace culture B because that is your dominant culture. Mayan and Incan culture is primarily dead because tehre are no more Incans or Mayans. Culture is not about the color of your skin, it's about the culture that cultivates you and is part of your identity.

Around the 1800's is when the British got brolic in Asia like they did in the Americas. You knwo, with the opium smuggling and stealing of historical artifacts and whatnot.

PS: Also known as occupation.

Cannot compute

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347251]Around the 1800's is when the British got brolic in Asia like they did in the Americas. You knwo, with the opium smuggling and stealing of historical artifacts and whatnot.

PS: Also known as occupation.[/QUOTE]

The Europeans were invited there because they offered industrialization and products related to it. Oh but Asia is a more advanced culture so they wouldn't need that, right?

You play this "I'm so displaced, my culture has been forcably taken from me" card so poorly because if you read up on history you'll realize Europeans did a lot of bad things, but the fault never lies solely upon their shoulders.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347146]
And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, arguably.

.[/QUOTE]

You do know that in Athens women weren't allowed to do anything,but raise children and were rarely allowed to step outside their homes? And that the Sparta was war loving city-state and would kill children if they weren't strong enough?

They had lots of philosophers and architects, but that doesn't make them any more sophisticated than the others.

people need to stop kidding themselves, all societies have always been barbaric. None of this "far ahead of its time, my culture is so grand and noble" bull****. All your ancestors were at one time or another, murdering, rapist, bastards.

[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347379]You do know that in Athens women weren't allowed to do anything,but raise children and were rarely allowed to step outside their homes? And that the Sparta was war loving city-state and would kill children if they weren't strong enough?

They had lots of philosophers and architects, but that doesn't make them any more sophisticated than the others.[/QUOTE]

Women have been "oppressed" in many cultures. Do you think Asian culture is any more lenient on them? Or Muslim? Women have always been delegated to child raisers until very recently. How many other democracies were around at that time? most other places were still feudal. How many other cultures were inventing mathematics we still use today? No culture is perfect.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347413]Women have been "oppressed" in many cultures. Do you think Asian culture is any more lenient on them? Or Muslim? Women have always been delegated to child raisers until very recently. How many other democracies were around at that time? most other places were still feudal. How many other cultures were inventing mathematics we still use today? No culture is perfect.[/QUOTE]


I'm not saying anyone is any better than anyone else. i'm just saying that Greece wasn't as perfect as you made it out to be.

[QUOTE=me likes punk;13347430]I'm not saying anyone is any better than anyone else. i'm just saying that Greece wasn't as perfect as you made it out to be.[/QUOTE]

"And as great as the Mayan or Japanese or Chinese culture may be, Greecians are Europeans and Greek culture was more sophisticated than any of those civilizations, [B]arguably.[/B]"

How is that claiming it to be perfect, I said it was arguably more advanced than any of the civilizations he mentioned not "Greece was perfect."

Japan's culture can often be very scary and ugly.

[QUOTE=Permanent Solution;13347334]The Europeans were invited there because they offered industrialization and products related to it. Oh but Asia is a more advanced culture so they wouldn't need that, right?

You play this "I'm so displaced, my culture has been forcably taken from me" card so poorly because if you read up on history you'll realize Europeans did a lot of bad things, but the fault never lies solely upon their shoulders.[/QUOTE]

The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347122]because at the end of the day, White people are still in control of most of the government and most financial isntitutions. However, this isn't White people's fault, this is due to the lack of unity in the minority demographic to strive for equality toghether.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Flagjacket;13347560]The Europeans elft the CHinese no toher choice, because originally the Chinese refused to do trade with the British, sot he British smuggled opium intot he CHina and got thousands of Chinese addicted to it, and the only way they'd let CHina habve more of it was if they let Britain in. I've been to the Forbidden City, and there are a couple of black pots that were once gold, but the gold was craped off of them by British soldiers.

I never said my culture has been foricbly taken from me, you must've not beenr eading my replies at all. I said that I have a ahrd time blancing the two, and wondering if I even should, and it leaves me caught between two cultures that I can't decide between. Don't give me your "I can do it fine" bull**** becuase your experiences are not paralell to mine.

And actually, I specifically said[/QUOTE]

opium was flowing in china FAR before the scum british came into things. They just legalized and traded it legitmately.

That was after they forced the Chinese government to let them do it.