[QUOTE=pulseczar;16277979]sigh i guess the needs of the few outweigh the needs of the many... again[/QUOTE]

I don't want to pay for Albert's sister to get an operation on her crotch.

Not much man, just trying to bring normal conversation into a thread dominated by friggin' annoying Americans. You know how it is.

[QUOTE=pate;16277992]I don't want to pay for Albert's sister to get an operation on her crotch.[/QUOTE]

okay lets let jimmy's dad get a heart attack and bankrupt his family

[QUOTE=pulseczar;16278004]okay lets let jimmy's dad get a heart attack and bankrupt his family[/QUOTE]

The moron should have gotten life insurance

They can ****ing pay for it just like everybody else.

[QUOTE=pate;16277992]I don't want to pay for Albert's sister to get an operation on her crotch.[/QUOTE]

You wouldn't. You and everyone else would pay for the operation Tony's brain cancer. The public sector still doesn't pick up cosmetic costs.

or that fag could get a job and pay for his own brain cancer ****ing societal leach

[QUOTE=masscows;16278008]The moron should have gotten life insurance[/QUOTE]
funny how if he has any sort of condition that could lead to heart disease, the insurance would not cover him. funny how the rich can screw the poor so hard, and not give two shits about the ultimate harm they do to society.

[QUOTE=masscows;16278008]The moron should have gotten life insurance[/QUOTE]

ok whatever i'm tired of arguing... when america crashes and burns on its own selfishness, we'll see where the great american dollar leads you guys. you weren't born into this life alone, your mother pushed you out. i always thought it was a basic principle that it was our duty to help each other whenever we could.

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278021]or that fag could get a job and pay for his own brain cancer ****ing societal leach[/QUOTE]

Or we could stop making basic human rights a commodity to be bought and sold at the highest bid.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278025]funny how if he has any sort of condition that could lead to heart disease, the insurance would not cover him. funny how the rich can screw the poor so hard, and not give two poops about the ultimate harm they do to society.[/QUOTE]

that's weird

youre confusing charity and human rights my boy

[size=10]THINGS COST MONEY GET USED TO IT[/size]

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278034]youre confusing charity and human rights my boy[/QUOTE]

life is charity and not a right? I'm pretty sure life was a right on which claimed independence.

yes but its not a ****ing human right to get free medical care

[QUOTE=pate;16278039][size=10]THINGS COST MONEY GET USED TO IT[/size][/QUOTE]

yeah and its the societies responsibility to pay for basic needs of all people. Since when is dusting human under the rug good for society. Money is conceptual, health is not. Health should be sustain not pedantic desires of the upper class.

If you're going there, then the right to bear arms was also one of those rights, but you ****ers have no problem making up arguments to get rid of it.

no, it's not society's responsibility to pay for the basic needs of all people, it's the individual's responsibility to pay for their own basic needs

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278050]yes but its not a ****ing human right to get free medical care

programs of that sort [B]HARM[/B] the economy[/QUOTE]

It shouldn't be a part of the economy. DO you not get that? you rather let people suffer and die, just so dr. bob can drive a beamer?

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278058]It shouldn't be a part of the economy. DO you not get that? you rather let people suffer and die, just so dr. bob can drive a beamer?[/QUOTE]
how would it not be a part of the economy?

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278056]no, its not societies responsibility to pay for the basic needs of all people, it's the individual's responsibility to pay for their own basic needs[/QUOTE]

funny how so many people DO NOT MAKE THAT TYPE OF MONEY TO MEET A BASIC NEED. Its your society that prevents this. Society is not absolute. Because man compromises society, its in its best interested to sustain all, and not the lucky.

[QUOTE]how would it not be a part of the economy?[/QUOTE]

buy stopping being a business, and start being a social service.

This has nothing to do with doctor's salaries. It has to do with ME paying for **** that has nothing to do with me. And no, I do not have a responsibility to take care of everybody else.

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278056]no, it's not society's responsibility to pay for the basic needs of all people, it's the individual's responsibility to pay for their own basic needs[/QUOTE]

Damn right

oh my lord brian, you have to be ****ing kidding

hey guys whats free will? NOT A HUMAN RIGHT BECAUSE YOU [B]HAVE TO[/B] SUPPORT CRACKHEADS MEDICAL BILLS

I love how when anyone disagrees with a liberal it either turns into "omg you're a terrible person" or "omg you don't understand how the world really works"

[QUOTE=pate;16278066]This has nothing to do with doctor's salaries. It has to do with ME paying for **** that has nothing to do with me. And no, I do not have a responsibility to take care of everybody else.



Damn right[/QUOTE]

Then stop using the roads, stop using anything the gov't provides. If you don't want to chip in, then don't partake.

[QUOTE=pate;16278077]I love how when anyone disagrees with a liberal it either turns into "omg you're a terrible person" or "omg you don't understand how the world really works"[/QUOTE]

How is this an argument?

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278078]Then stop using the roads, stop using anything the gov't provides. If you don;t want to chip in, then don't partake.[/QUOTE]

The person paying into those actually benefits from them though.

mappy isn't your mom really ill? what if you couldn't afford treatment or whatever?

[I]guys, what about chuck schuldiner?![/I]

what if she had an illness that there was no ****ing treatment available for anyway and ****ing scumbags found out about it and keep giving her false hope with miracle cures that never work but my dad's willing to pay for those because he's willing to pay for anything to help her?

[QUOTE=masscows;16278081]The person paying into those actually benefits from them though.[/QUOTE]

yeah, and healthy people, and closing the gap between rich and poor also benefits them. maybe not today, but how do think america is going to function when the majority of it will be living like a 3rd world country?

[QUOTE=masscows;16278081]The person paying into those actually benefits from them though.[/QUOTE]
not everyone can pay, not everyone can get insurance. Profit in medicine does not for society. God forbid yo pay more taxes because you can afford it. So sorry you can;t have a 100 million instead of the 50 mill after taxes.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278078]
How is this an argument?[/QUOTE]

It's not meant to be, although I'm not paying attention to this debate I will say I have noticed what Lee is saying. Although I don't call myself liberal or conservative mostly because I don't hold true to either much and don't want to be labeled as either.

[QUOTE=pulseczar;16278091]yeah, and healthy people, and closing the gap between rich and poor also benefits them. maybe not today, but how do think america is going to function when the majority of it will be living like a 3rd world country?[/QUOTE]

the thing is that's not happening and it's not gonna happen

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278089]what if she had an illness that there was no ****ing treatment available for anyway and ****ing scumbags found out about it and keep giving her false hope with miracle cures that never work but my dad's willing to pay for those because he's willing to pay for anything to help her?[/QUOTE]
sounds like a product of profit seeking.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278094]not everyone can pay, not everyone can get insurance. Profit in medicine does not for society. God forbid yo pay more taxes because you can afford it. So sorry you can;t have a 100 million instead of the 50 mill after taxes.[/QUOTE]

I probably won't make more than 40-50 grand a year so don't apologize to me.

it's free will, it's horrible, there are scumbags out there taking advantage of my mother's condition for their own gain, but it's their choice and i can't take that from them

just like it's lee's choice and my own not to pay for others' health care

[QUOTE=masscows;16278104]I probably won't make more than 40-50 grand a year so don't apologize to me.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't be taxed heavily. you;d be taxed to pay your share, and still have sufficient money to live a comfortable life.

[QUOTE=Brad Norris Fan 777;16278106]it's free will, it's horrible, there are scumbags out there taking advantage of my mother's condition for their own gain, but it's their choice and i can't take that from them

just like it's lee's choice and my own not to pay for others' health care[/QUOTE]

you live in society, unless you want to live out the wilderness on your own, you have to give just like you take. Its disgusting to make your moms life an object of profit. Just because the can chose to do it does not mean its good for society.

[QUOTE=guitrguy;16278121]you live in society, unless you want to live out the wilderness on your own, you have to give just like you take. Its disgusting to make your moms life an object of profit. Just because the can chose to do it does not mean its good for society.[/QUOTE]

It's good for society in the same way the KKK is good for free speech.

i know, its crazy how there's bad things and good things in society

:(