You do realise that repeating the word 'pwn' over and over again and saying someones intelligence is low is quite petulant and of all things, hypocritical, don't you? No? didn't think so. As for Mr. Old School, I can understand you point on the whole thing and especially on people using stupid lingo, which is one of the main reasons I steer clear of the pit. I don't get your bashing of them live though, when I saw them most of the songs were from the Kill 'Em All to Metallica era. Not one song from Load or Re-Load were heard.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned Metallica aren't worth a penny these days and sold copies of St. Anger solely on their name. But, the fact is, they released 4 quality Metal albums in the 80's and that's what brought them to fame. Fame they don't deserve perhaps, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, there's my '2 cents' as you Americans would call it.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]I don't get your bashing of them live though..[/QUOTE]

Did you see them live in the 80s?

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]You do realise that repeating the word 'pwn' over and over again and saying someones intelligence is low is quite petulant and of all things, hypocritical, don't you? No? didn't think so. As for Mr. Old School, I can understand you point on the whole thing and especially on people using stupid lingo, which is one of the main reasons I steer clear of the pit. I don't get your bashing of them live though, when I saw them most of the songs were from the Kill 'Em All to Metallica era. Not one song from Load or Re-Load were heard.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned Metallica aren't worth a penny these days and sold copies of St. Anger solely on their name. But, the fact is, they released 4 quality Metal albums in the 80's and that's what brought them to fame. Fame they don't deserve perhaps, but that's irrelevant. Anyway, there's my '2 cents' as you Americans would call it.[/QUOTE]

The point of the "pwn"s was to make him puke.

yes, id live in a Uhaul truck to make it big

[QUOTE=Bartender]Did you see them live in the 80s?[/QUOTE]

I wish. Perhaps when I'm finished on this time machine I'll head on back to the Bay Area in 1982 and catch 'em live. I wasn't comparing them live now, to how they were in the 80's, cause that'd be impossible due to me only seeing footage from back then. I was just wondering how they don't live upto standards these days, as when I saw them there was no shortening on songs, no songs from Load or Re-Load and everyone of the band seemed full of energy and played their best.

ohh, i thought he meant the way they lived...cause people were talking about their financial situations

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]I wasn't comparing them live now, to how they were in the 80's, cause that'd be impossible due to me only seeing footage from back then.[/QUOTE]

But he was, so that was his point.

I'm aware of such, that's why I was hoping for a reply to say how they paled in comparison now, to back then....probably should have wrote that.

Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets are good. If not the best (Well, that's a claim! But then again this topic is full of outstanding claims..) all the rest are ****. Including ...And Justice For All - Metallica were a Metal band (With the name Metallica, how much more 80s metal can you get!) but slowly turned into an MTV Rock band. It was more of a de-evolution...

[QUOTE=Chu]Kill 'em All, Ride The Lightning and Master of Puppets are good. If not the best (Well, that's a claim! But then again this topic is full of outstanding claims..) all the rest are ****. Including ...And Justice For All - Metallica were a Metal band (With the name Metallica, how much more 80s metal can you get!) but slowly turned into an MTV Rock band. It was more of a de-evolution...[/QUOTE]

You thought ...And Justice For All was crappy? how so? I always thought it was their crowning moment technicality wise. The only negative point for me was a few of the songs being too long, seemingly just to be long.

...And Justice For All was amazing. To Live is to Die is my favorite Metallica Instrumental

AJFA's production annoys me almost as much as St Anger's :)

I like the album, though.

IMO most of the songs from AJFA just drag on for too long, and almost all of this is accountable for by hamronised leads.
I love harmony, I really do but there's only so much I can take from one badly produced album.

I dunno, I can't stand AJFA :P
But Sliptallica's right, To Live is To Die is an amazing instrumental.

I thought AJFA was a good album.

I agree. AJFA isn't that great, and the production is bad.

One song I really like though is Harvester of Sorrow. The solo sucks and ruins it, but overall it's pretty good.

I think that AJFA is the beginning of Metallica's "downfall", at least for me. The album wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great either.

whoevers running around saying metallica killed cliff so they can go commercial, or if cliff lived metallica would have stayed true to thrash metal, you're not very bright.
1) I heard it from here that Cliff had stated in an interview that they were going to try new things. Metallica's been flamed of selling out their entire career. Cliff's own quote (i'm just saying it to roughly what it actually is) "If people think that just because we're on a major record label that we sold out, then w/e." Listen to Kill 'Em All, and listen to Ride the Lightning. Listen to RTL and then MOP, listen to MOP and then AJFA. They're all different. Heres what I think is going on (Only major albums)
[COLOR=YellowGreen]NLTL/Kill' Em All---->Ride The Lightning----->MOP------->AJFA------>Metallica---[/COLOR]
Metal/Hard Punk---> Metal at its prime----->Metal----->Thrash Metal--> Rock/Metal---->
[COLOR=YellowGreen]-->Load-------->Reload--------->St.Anger------->???[/COLOR]
-->Rock------->Soft/Rock------->nu-metal-------> Metal/Hard Punk (start the cycle again)
FYI, Hard Punk refers to lots of power chords.
(edit)
My point is that each album has different even with Cliff in the band, save RTL and MOP.... Wait...
Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that Cliff wasn't just some metal anchor. Back when Cliff was alive, I heard Lars/James were the supposed metal anchor and they wouldn't change for no body.

They change their music every album and, big deal. You've gone through it for 20 years, whats the big deal about it now? This is Metallica. If they stayed the same, I'm positive everyone would want them to diversify instead of staying to plain old metal. Im glad they do, because I don't want to listen to fast thrashy metal everytime I pop in their CD. Songs like NOM, or St.Anger are important (to me).

I thought AJFA's production was awesome, much better than the rest of the albums. I guess i sometimes judge a cd's production value by cracking it up when i listen to it. The bass is tight and punchy, the guitars never "fuzz" or "crystalize" to the point when you get that little treble ring, its very well produced considering the time period

[QUOTE=TheChoSenOnes]I agree. AJFA isn't that great, and the production is bad.

One song I really like though is Harvester of Sorrow. The solo sucks and ruins it, but overall it's pretty good.

I think that AJFA is the beginning of Metallica's "downfall", at least for me. The album wasn't horrible, but it wasn't great either.[/QUOTE]

What? thats one of my favorite solos'. Why in your opinion does it ruin the song. When they play it live Kirks improv at the end of the solo owns btw

The fact of a solo being good or bad is all in the person who's listening to it.

i know that why i was just asking why he didnt like it. If he doesnt like it that his view and im not tryin to change that, just tryin to make conversation pal

No problem here :)

[QUOTE=emo_must_die]I thought AJFA's production was awesome, much better than the rest of the albums..The bass is tight and punchy,..[/QUOTE]

What bass?

ok sorry i guess i should have been more specific. I was talking about the tightness with the drums and referring that with listening to it with a stereo system (like a nice car or home one)

[QUOTE=metal_milita]whoevers running around saying metallica killed cliff so they can go commercial, or if cliff lived metallica would have stayed true to thrash metal, you're not very bright.
1) I heard it from here that Cliff had stated in an interview that they were going to try new things. Metallica's been flamed of selling out their entire career. Cliff's own quote (i'm just saying it to roughly what it actually is) "If people think that just because we're on a major record label that we sold out, then w/e." Listen to Kill 'Em All, and listen to Ride the Lightning. Listen to RTL and then MOP, listen to MOP and then AJFA. They're all different. Heres what I think is going on (Only major albums)
[COLOR=YellowGreen]NLTL/Kill' Em All---->Ride The Lightning----->MOP------->AJFA------>Metallica---[/COLOR]
Metal/Hard Punk---> Metal at its prime----->Metal----->Thrash Metal--> Rock/Metal---->
[COLOR=YellowGreen]-->Load-------->Reload--------->St.Anger------->???[/COLOR]
-->Rock------->Soft/Rock------->nu-metal-------> Metal/Hard Punk (start the cycle again)
FYI, Hard Punk refers to lots of power chords.
(edit)
My point is that each album has different even with Cliff in the band, save RTL and MOP.... Wait...
Regardless, I stand firm in my belief that Cliff wasn't just some metal anchor. Back when Cliff was alive, I heard Lars/James were the supposed metal anchor and they wouldn't change for no body.

They change their music every album and, big deal. You've gone through it for 20 years, whats the big deal about it now? This is Metallica. If they stayed the same, I'm positive everyone would want them to diversify instead of staying to plain old metal. Im glad they do, because I don't want to listen to fast thrashy metal everytime I pop in their CD. Songs like NOM, or St.Anger are important (to me).[/QUOTE]

I agree with pretty much everything you said here except for some of your categorizations, i.e. how in the hell do you call AJFA thrash metal, while calling MOP just Metal?? because of dyers eve, blackened and half of one?? What about Battery, most of MOP, Disposable Heroes, Damage inc.??? These are just metal to you? Can't say i understand that one. Plus, as much as you may or may not have like Load, how can u call it soft rock? Slow isn't the same as soft. Tempo does not vary the heaviness of a song. I'd more like call it soft Metal if anything. But i agree there is a definite change in their sound even throughout the first 4 albums.

AJFA is most definately [B]NOT[/B] thrash

what is the best metallica song? wats ur opionion in my opionion it would be a tie between ride the lightning or the unforgiven 2 probably the unforgiven 2

Overall is pretty hard....Disposeable Heroes or..The Four Horsemen

[QUOTE=emo_must_die]What? thats one of my favorite solos'. Why in your opinion does it ruin the song. When they play it live Kirks improv at the end of the solo owns btw[/QUOTE]

I just remember listening to it awhile ago. At first I thought it was sweet, and I came to the first solo expecting something spectacular, and it just didn't do it for me.

It doesn't necessarly ruin the song, like I said, it's good overall, but I just don't listen to it as often. It's just my opinion and personal taste.

Whoa why's everyone dissing AJFA suddenly. IMO it's their second best album(MOP of course in the #1 spot). The only things i don't like about the production of the album is how they changed the snare drum (however this only really bugs me when i listen to blackened, and i barely notice it as i listen to the rest of the album), and how the title track is a ten minute song when it should really only be about 7. I could really care less about the lack of bass in the album personally because i think it gave it a more screaming angry sound to it, which was fitting, i think, to tribute Cliffs death.

I also think AJFA is second best. Yeah, you can complain about the production, but the songs are top notch next to MOP.

Oh man, AJFA and Black are the two albums I hate. On AJFA, 'tallica didn't care about the songs...they cared about tehir length and speed. That is why most of that album is boring !

[QUOTE=btoto]Oh man, AJFA and Black are the two albums I hate. On AJFA, 'tallica didn't care about the songs...they cared about tehir length and speed. That is why most of that album is boring ![/QUOTE]

If they cared about length and speed, which are elements of a song, then they cared about the songs.
I'm sure they cared about the songs as a whole anyway.

Being a tribute to Cliff....I would think they did care

[QUOTE=munky_magik]If they cared about length and speed, which are elements of a song, then they cared about the songs.
I'm sure they cared about the songs as a whole anyway.[/QUOTE]

I had lots of arguement on this thread about AJFA before. I don feel like writing the same $hit all the time. For me it's one of the worst....in general it's one of the weakest !

Anyway, today I listened to Loverman and it's been about 2 years I didn't click on that song in my playlist.........Oh $hit, that's a very good song and James sings beautiful.

New Album and Favourite 'tallica song
 

I've got into metallica for several years now and they are without a shadow of a doubt a legendary band!

Just wanted to know which metallica album is your favourite and your favourite fast and slow song?

My fav album is: Master of Puppets
Fav slow song: Fade to Black
Fav song: Seek and Destroy or Battery

By the way, any predictions on how their new album would sound like?

New Album predictions and Favourite 'tallica song
 

I've got into metallica for several years now and they are without a shadow of a doubt a legendary band!

Just wanted to know which metallica album is your favourite and your favourite fast and slow song?

My fav album is: Master of Puppets
Fav slow song: Fade to Black
Fav song: Seek and Destroy or Battery

By the way, any predictions on how their new album would sound like?

[QUOTE=leppermessiah]no.....what's that?[/QUOTE]

Its a band, sorry its just theres a guy on there with the same username

AJFA used to be my favourite album, but I gradually got bored of it and the production began to annoy me.

It still holds my favourite song though. No prizes for guessing which (an uncontroversial choice)