well right now we are running 2 guitars,vocals,bass
but we are adding a trumpet and a trombone...(to play ska)
so it prolly wont be as loud as it should
with all that factored in how big...? could you give me an estimate
also would we need to mic the drums right now.... i dont think so im just making sure

Speakers
 

Hey guys

I currently have a Behringer Europower PMH5000 (800 watter)

I would like to know what kinda speakers would be best to buy that would go with my poweredmixer??

I want them to be as loud as possible, as some of the places our band plays at are quite big (shame there isnt many people in the places :( )

So any suggestions on what size speakers (either in wattage or size) or any specific examples :)

thanks in advance

[QUOTE=Ozduck]Hey guys

I currently have a Behringer Europower PMH5000 (800 watter)

I would like to know what kinda speakers would be best to buy that would go with my poweredmixer??

I want them to be as loud as possible, as some of the places our band plays at are quite big (shame there isnt many people in the places :( )

So any suggestions on what size speakers (either in wattage or size) or any specific examples :)

thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Hi.

That mixer you've got would be rated to pump out 2 x 400 watts while through 4 ohms.

So to get the most out of it you'd want to run it through 2 x 4 ohm speakers.

The majority of speakers you can get on the market are 8 ohm speakers, but if you just run 8 ohm speakers off it then the power output may only be 2 x 200 watts or so.

So, you could get 2x 4 ohm speakers (of suitable power rating - around 400 watts).

Or alternatively, you could get 4x 8 ohm speakers. And pair the four of them them up into twos.
Because two 8 ohm speakers in parrallel = 4 ohms total.

That choice is up to you, so see what's around.


But, one other [B]big[/B] thing that you'll have to take notice of is speaker efficiency.
This is a rating that is given to speakers to indicate how good they are at converting the amps power into actual sound.
This is given in a dB reading. Something like as follows:
96dB @ 1 Watt / 1 Meter.

The more efficent the speakers the better. For the best possible performance out of your amp you'd want to buy speakers that have got the higest efficiency. Unfortuanely, the more efficent the speaker is the more expensive it will be.
But anything around the 97 - 98 dB mark would be pretty good, I reckon.

Hey

Big help thanks :D... actually understand a bit more now!

if i went the 4x8ohm speaker way.... would each of those speakers have to be 200watts?

[QUOTE=Aes820]Hi.

That mixer you've got would be rated to pump out 2 x 400 watts while through 4 ohms.

So to get the most out of it you'd want to run it through 2 x 4 ohm speakers.

The majority of speakers you can get on the market are 8 ohm speakers, but if you just run 8 ohm speakers off it then the power output may only be 2 x 200 watts or so.

So, you could get 2x 4 ohm speakers (of suitable power rating - around 400 watts).

Or alternatively, you could get 4x 8 ohm speakers. And pair the four of them them up into twos.
Because two 8 ohm speakers in parrallel = 4 ohms total.

That choice is up to you, so see what's around.


But, one other [B]big[/B] thing that you'll have to take notice of is speaker efficiency.
This is a rating that is given to speakers to indicate how good they are at converting the amps power into actual sound.
This is given in a dB reading. Something like as follows:
96dB @ 1 Watt / 1 Meter.

The more efficent the speakers the better. For the best possible performance out of your amp you'd want to buy speakers that have got the higest efficiency. Unfortuanely, the more efficent the speaker is the more expensive it will be.
But anything around the 97 - 98 dB mark would be pretty good, I reckon.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ozduck]if i went the 4x8ohm speaker way.... would each of those speakers have to be 200watts?[/QUOTE]
Yeah. 200 watts each.
Or round abouts.

I posted a topic but I didn't know that this topic existed, so Ill ask questions here from now on.

So...

Well, I'm finally getting a band together, and I want to get 2 microphones and a speaker to set them up on, but I dont know what I need, so any help would be appreciated...

I want to get two Shure SM58's... and hook them up together through a Peavey PV8 Mixer (just for the 2 mics and maybe a bass) with Shure C50J Mic Cables, into a Peavy PV215 Speaker Cabinet. ALTHOUGH I wont be getting the PV8 Mixer if I get a Powered Mixer, obviously.

Also I'm not sure what I should look into, either a Power Amp or a Powered Mixer? I am just planning on powering 1 speaker, the peavey PV215, so what would be the better choice? Also, which model/power should I get? On the site, for the speaker it says "Power: 700 watts program, 1400 watts peak" So should I look for a power amp or powered mixer that puts out at least 700 watts but less than 1400? I was thinking a powered mixer since its combined into one so I dont have to have a power amp and a mixer, but I dont know.

[QUOTE]Hi.

That mixer you've got would be rated to pump out 2 x 400 watts while through 4 ohms.

So to get the most out of it you'd want to run it through 2 x 4 ohm speakers.

The majority of speakers you can get on the market are 8 ohm speakers, but if you just run 8 ohm speakers off it then the power output may only be 2 x 200 watts or so.

So, you could get 2x 4 ohm speakers (of suitable power rating - around 400 watts).

Or alternatively, you could get 4x 8 ohm speakers. And pair the four of them them up into twos.
Because two 8 ohm speakers in parrallel = 4 ohms total.

That choice is up to you, so see what's around.


But, one other big thing that you'll have to take notice of is speaker efficiency.
This is a rating that is given to speakers to indicate how good they are at converting the amps power into actual sound.
This is given in a dB reading. Something like as follows:
96dB @ 1 Watt / 1 Meter.

The more efficent the speakers the better. For the best possible performance out of your amp you'd want to buy speakers that have got the higest efficiency. Unfortuanely, the more efficent the speaker is the more expensive it will be.
But anything around the 97 - 98 dB mark would be pretty good, I reckon[/QUOTE]

Can you recommend some 400 watt 4ohm speakers?

Bump

[QUOTE=Ozduck]Can you recommend some 400 watt 4ohm speakers?[/QUOTE]
I think peavey make some 2x12 with a HF horn cabients which are 4 ohms and decent cabinets.
But 2x12 top boxes can be kind of bulky and a pain to transport.

I'm sure there are other cabinets around tho. Just google or ask at a local music store.

Going for big name brands like Peavey, Yamaha or JBL is easy enough tho. But there should be plenty of options open to you if you do a bit of research.

Hey,
looking for a good PA and speaker package for use in practicing and maybe small gigs current setup is 2 guitarists and bassist each with 100w amps and drums,looking for a PA package for around $1300 AU.
Iv'e been looking at an Alesis 6 channel 300w,2x4 ohms with 2 x 200w speakers with mic and cables for $1299 AU on a ebay store,would this be good for what i'm after or does anyone have any other reccommandations?

Got a few questions for you guys. I'm new here, looks like you guys have got some good guys to answer questions here. :)

I'm more of a recording buff, and need some help with getting myself a PA system for my band.

Could someone configure a really good system for me. Top quality, money is no object. Just give me what would be the best in each category, and I'll worry about the price. :) I know Mackie is on my top list of recording equipment, not sure what the professional standard is for live sound.

If you could, give me everything I would need. Mixers, Wireless and Wired Microphones, Speakers, Amps, Cables, Stands, Clips, Receivers, CD Players, Tape Decks, everything! I would really appreciate if anyone could do this.

If someone really spends time at getting me this info, I'd really appreciate it. I don't have much to give, but if you need web space, I'll set you up with a killer web hosting account! :)

Quick question here. Im trying to find a PA sytem that my band can practice with. Im not sure if we'll need it for any small shows yet, but maybe... Would this be a good package for at least practicing.

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630170/[/url]

I see that the mixer is 200w at 4 ohms, but i can find the ohms rating for the speakers. I would guess they are 4 ohms also because its in a package, right? Anyways, 200 watts should be loud enough for practice right?

[QUOTE=UsefulIdi0t]Quick question here. Im trying to find a PA sytem that my band can practice with. Im not sure if we'll need it for any small shows yet, but maybe... Would this be a good package for at least practicing.

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630170/[/url]

I see that the mixer is 200w at 4 ohms, but i can find the ohms rating for the speakers. I would guess they are 4 ohms also because its in a package, right? Anyways, 200 watts should be loud enough for practice right?[/QUOTE]
Chances are those speakers are 8 ohm speakers.
There's a link to a pdf document on that page which may give you further info tho.

But regardless, that setup would be pretty good for practising.

[QUOTE=JohnRM]Got a few questions for you guys. I'm new here, looks like you guys have got some good guys to answer questions here. :)

I'm more of a recording buff, and need some help with getting myself a PA system for my band.

Could someone configure a really good system for me. Top quality, money is no object. Just give me what would be the best in each category, and I'll worry about the price. :) I know Mackie is on my top list of recording equipment, not sure what the professional standard is for live sound.

If you could, give me everything I would need. Mixers, Wireless and Wired Microphones, Speakers, Amps, Cables, Stands, Clips, Receivers, CD Players, Tape Decks, everything! I would really appreciate if anyone could do this.

If someone really spends time at getting me this info, I'd really appreciate it. I don't have much to give, but if you need web space, I'll set you up with a killer web hosting account! :)[/QUOTE]
What intended use do you have with this equipment.
Are you wanting to mic up an entire band, including monitors.
How big are the shows you are planning to play?. Approx how many people? And at what venues?
Will you have a dedicated 'sound guy' to run your PA for you?

[QUOTE=Aes820]Chances are those speakers are 8 ohm speakers.
There's a link to a pdf document on that page which may give you further info tho.

But regardless, that setup would be pretty good for practising.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, even though they would only be around 100 watts? If we used those on that mixer, would we not be able to turn the volume more than halfway? how do you know how many watts you're using up. Should I just save up a little more money and try and getting a little better speakers? If so, what ones would be better than those, but 300 or less for a pair?

[QUOTE=JohnRM]
Could someone configure a really good system for me. Top quality, money is no object. Just give me what would be the best in each category, and I'll worry about the price. :) I know Mackie is on my top list of recording equipment, not sure what the professional standard is for live sound.[/QUOTE]

If money really is not an object this will do the trick for anyone. All gear is from [URL=http://www.carvin.com]Carvin[/URL], read the testimonials and find out for yourself just how good Carvin gear is.

2x $0599.99 TRX153 600w 8 ohm main
2x $0499.99 TRX118 800w 8 ohm subwoofer
4x $0329.99 TRX122 300w 8 ohm monitor

1x $0569.99 DCM2500 power amp (mains)
1x $0669.99 DCM2570 power amp (subs)
1x $1099.99 DCM4000 power amp (monitors)

1x $0599.99 C1644 16 channel concert mixer

---$6459.88-------------------------------

If you want to biamp you'd also need an active crossover.
A seperate graphic EQ for both the FOH and the monitors.
And you'd want maybe three Compressor/limiter/gate units.
FX units may also come in handy.
Plus then the mulitcore, all the mics + mic stands. Cabeling.

I'll be able to write up a proper list once I get an idea on what you are actually planning and what types of venues you are going to be playing.

^^ Yeah, you probably would need that but I really didn't feel like writing it all down. I really hope money is no object.

Right now our band pa is crap, mainly cause we blew it out (its one of those 200 dollar kustom ones). Anyway, I was just wondering what I could get as far as powered mixers go, in the 300-400 dollar price range. Also, how about speakers in the 200-250 range.

Please excuse me if I seem like a Carvin salesman today, I can't help it.

Don't know much about powered mixers.
Speakers: Carvin 1540, PM15. Both 400w at 8 ohms and $199.99.

[QUOTE=Aes820]If you want to biamp you'd also need an active crossover.
A seperate graphic EQ for both the FOH and the monitors.
And you'd want maybe three Compressor/limiter/gate units.
FX units may also come in handy.
Plus then the mulitcore, all the mics + mic stands. Cabeling.

I'll be able to write up a proper list once I get an idea on what you are actually planning and what types of venues you are going to be playing.[/QUOTE]

We'll be mic-ing two vocalists, and a drumset. So, an entire band. In recording, I usually mic a guitar/bass amp, but I'm guessing that might not be need when doing a show.

Mostly for smaller gigs, not big venues or anything. In town, street shows, restaurants, nothing in excess of 100 people.

We don't really have a dedicated sound guy, myself, as the drummer, normally does all the sound for recording, and I'm sure I can set everything else up myself too! :)

I also will try to use speakers and other amplifiers for DJ'ing. I have a DJ mixer that I can use, but I might be better off with a powered mixer anyway. Plus, I might also use it for some school performances. Hope that helps. :)

^ In that case you won't need a big setup.
You shouldn't need to biamp and you may not even need to have a monitoring setup.
Although perhaps a couple of foldbacks for vocal reinforcement may come in handy.

Wether or not you run the guitar and bass through the PA would depend on the loudness of their own amps. You may not need to run them through the PA, provided you coordinate each band member to control their own volume levels suitably.

Brands like Peavey and Yamaha have got some packaged systems that may be what you are after. A powered mixer with plenty of headroom and features. A couple of FOH bins, stands, foldback speakers, maybe even a few mics.

This would be good:
[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/s=packaged/search/detail/base_pid/601415/[/url]

All you'll need then is a set of drumkit mics, and perhaps a DI box if you wish to run the bass through the PA.

hey aes, its me again. I need some advice.
We need a P.A. System that is loud enough to do decent gigs. I was thinking 1000 watts would be good, (for all the monitors and loudspeakers included). Here's what we're looking at.

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630106/[/url]

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/600818/[/url]

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/601201/[/url]

2 loud speakers and 3 or 4 monitors.

Is this a good idea and are they compatible. We're thinking about getting the monitors first, (so we can get the practice) and then get the loud speakers once we can afford.

Dah Aes I still cant find something to work. I just wanted a powered mixer and some speakers for about 400-600$. It would be nice for them to be at least 200 watts, but every mixer i find for under 350$ seems to be 4ohms and then the speakers im finding are 8 ohms, so id be losing a lot of power. I cant find a good match for a mixer and some speakers that will have an end result of more than 200 watts for band practice.

[QUOTE=iron_lion]hey aes, its me again. I need some advice.
We need a P.A. System that is loud enough to do decent gigs. I was thinking 1000 watts would be good, (for all the monitors and loudspeakers included). Here's what we're looking at.

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/630106/[/url]

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/600818/[/url]

[url]http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=live/search/detail/base_pid/601201/[/url]

2 loud speakers and 3 or 4 monitors.

Is this a good idea and are they compatible. We're thinking about getting the monitors first, (so we can get the practice) and then get the loud speakers once we can afford.[/QUOTE]

Those two yamaha speakers will go well with the powered mixer. They would be a good match. Go for those.
They are 8 ohm speakers, and the powered mixer is rated to pump out 500 watts a side while at 4 ohms.
So you wont be getting all of the power out of the powered mixer. But if you do need extra watts then just buy another pair of 8 ohm FOH speakers and run then in parrallel to those two Yamaha ones.
Easy.

However, the monitors will be a little different.
As you'd normally run the monitors off one of the Aux outputs of the mixer, you'll need a seperate poweramp for those monitor wedges.

What you could do is just buy a cheap 2x200 watt poweramp and run the monitors off those.
Run it like:
Mixer -> main left + right (powered) outputs of mixer -> 2x Yamaha FOH bins
Then:
Aux output 1 of mixer -> left side of seperate poweramp -> Monitor speakers.
Aux output 2 of mixer -> right side of poweramp -> other monitor speakers.

This way you can use the Aux 1 and 2 levels on the mixer to control monitor mix and volume seperate to the main outputs.

I can draw a diagram if all this doesn't make sense.

Or perhaps you could buy powered speakers to use as monitors. But generally 'good' powered speakers are expensive.

But it's up to you, and your budget.

[QUOTE=UsefulIdi0t]Dah Aes I still cant find something to work. I just wanted a powered mixer and some speakers for about 400-600$. It would be nice for them to be at least 200 watts, but every mixer i find for under 350$ seems to be 4ohms and then the speakers im finding are 8 ohms, so id be losing a lot of power. I cant find a good match for a mixer and some speakers that will have an end result of more than 200 watts for band practice.[/QUOTE]
Like I said above. You can run two pairs of 8 ohm speakers both in parrallel to each other, as two 8 ohm speakers in parrallel = 4 ohms total.
Or, you could keep looking for decent 4 ohm speakers.

thanks again aes, you gave me an idea... always a huge help.

[QUOTE=Aes820]Like I said above. You can run two pairs of 8 ohm speakers both in parrallel to each other, as two 8 ohm speakers in parrallel = 4 ohms total.
Or, you could keep looking for decent 4 ohm speakers.[/QUOTE]

Ive been looking at a bunch of websites and every speaker ive found has been 8 ohms. I dont know if im looking at the wrong place but does anyone know of a 100-150$ 4 ohm speaker?

*edit* what about bridging? Does this involving anything more than just making 2 speakers mono? so basically you get more power when bridging or what?

[QUOTE=UsefulIdi0t]Ive been looking at a bunch of websites and every speaker ive found has been 8 ohms. I dont know if im looking at the wrong place but does anyone know of a 100-150$ 4 ohm speaker?

*edit* what about bridging? Does this involving anything more than just making 2 speakers mono? so basically you get more power when bridging or what?[/QUOTE]
The dual 15 inch cabinets are 4 ohms.

My friend and I just bought a pair of used Sunn O))) 210T PAs for incredibly cheap from a friend for our "band" (term used loosely, as we're just tryin to get stuff together), we know that we run the amps through these speakers, but what do we want to put vocals through to get them coming out of the speakers? I know you can run the amps right into the PAs, but do we need an amp for the vocals? If we got a mixer, and ran the mic into the mixer, and then connected the mixer to the speakers, would that work? The PA says 100w input, so I'm gonna look for a mixer with 100w... Sorry this is kind of confusing, but I am confused. Basically-what do I need to get so that I can hear a guitar/bass/vocals in these PAs?