like come to New Zealand. the [B]f[/B]uckers are coming so close, yet so far away :(. If I was rich I would just fly over to Oz and see them.

[QUOTE=poo-poo-pee-pee]Yeah, until the (+44) album is released, or [B]AVA do something interesting.[/B][/QUOTE]

Well, that much is unlikely.

Can't wait for +44.

[QUOTE=Schqwnbean]Well, that much is unlikely.

Can't wait for +44.[/QUOTE]
oh, burn!

I'm actually going to be able to buy the Plus 44 album. yay for money :)

[QUOTE=yourstruly]Not really, if anything AVAs album sales would've shown him that. How come you aren't going?[/QUOTE]

Lol i hate AvA. Its like Tom got a drum loop and a effect played it over and over then added some crappy cliche chords over the top.... ??? Its a insult to his talent... IMO!

His AvA work is good i think.

He didn't make much better stuff with Blink : /

Mark wrote a lot of the guitar riffs

[QUOTE]Its a insult to his talent[/QUOTE]what

talent?

heh

oh, burn!

[QUOTE=10571z]Lol i hate AvA. Its like Tom got a drum loop and a effect played it over and over then added some crappy cliche chords over the top.... ??? Its a insult to his talent... IMO![/QUOTE]

What are cliche chords?

power chords I guess?

meh

I think he means I, V, IV and iv chords. Just in different patterns.

Which is pretty much true.

The music is extremely average, but I think the message Tom is trying to get across is more important.

hahahaha

You mean the same message that the rest of the genre try and get out as well?

Generally doing it way better than ava in the process.

And that message is?

lol o noes girls dont like me

[QUOTE=I<3Jess]hahahaha

You mean the same message that the rest of the genre try and get out as well?[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about that, because I don't know anything about modern pop punk or even listen to much modern pop punk. The message I got from AVA is that you should be happy and make everyday the best day of your life.

Seems like a sound message to me.


Comparable to The Wall. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=yourstruly]I'm not sure about that, because I don't know anything about modern pop punk or even listen to much modern pop punk. The message I got from AVA is that you should be happy and make everyday the best day of your life.[/QUOTE]

How is that possible when you're listening to crap like AVA?

[QUOTE=yourstruly]I'm not sure about that, because I don't know anything about modern pop punk or even listen to much modern pop punk. The message I got from AVA is that you should be happy and make everyday the best day of your life.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much the general message of pop-punk, both modern and old.

[QUOTE=Eliminator]How is that possible when you're listening to crap like AVA?[/QUOTE]how is what possible?

[quote=you]The message I got from AVA is that you should be happy and make everyday the best day of your life.[/quote]

This.

I don't know, alot of people don't think AVA is crap.

Eminem is the original source of music that's meant to make you happy.

[QUOTE=yourstruly]I don't know, alot of people don't think AVA is crap.[/QUOTE]

A lot of people are kinda dumb.

Yeah. I just got rid of my AVA album because I decided any album with only 2 songs on it i actually like isn't worth having. But I still think what Tom was aiming for with it was pretty cool.

[QUOTE=Storm In A Teacup]Eminem is the original source of music that's meant to make you happy.[/QUOTE]
His angry music is actually a good calm downer.

/serious

I'm serious too when I say I agree with you. I was being serious with that first post.

Eminem is the second closest rap will ever be to emo.

whats first

paul wall

=(

yeah eminems hardcore songs rule

[QUOTE=Storm In A Teacup]I'm serious too when I say I agree with you. I was being serious with that first post.[/QUOTE]
oic

I loved his 8 Mile songs.


AVA could have done better I think if Tom didn't try so hard on every song.

[QUOTE=I<3Jess]whats first[/QUOTE]

Tupac.

oic

I like a lot of rap/hip-hop, but the stuff I do like I don't know what it is because it's random stuff my friend's brother listens to.

I hate how with most of the albums have a few really good songs and the rest suck, because I hate just listeneing to a few songs, I always try and listent o the whole thing.

rap is almost my favorite genre

np: one mic - nas

[QUOTE=yourstruly]The music is extremely average, but I think the message Tom is trying to get across is more important.[/QUOTE]

What message.. All i see is Tom Saying Hey i ahve 100043048 fans... Im gunna make a record and theyll buy it ill make money...

That's because you're ignorant.

xd
 

[QUOTE=yourstruly]That's because you're ignorant.[/QUOTE]
I guess your right Tom is all deep now :rolleyes: ...

vv
 

[QUOTE=formofshark]rap is almost my favorite genre

np: one mic - nas[/QUOTE]

i dont mind rap that bad.. Some has important messages... Eminem has to be my fav.. Toy soilders is a good song... But its sorta bad how to hooks in the songs are usually stolen for less famous songs

[QUOTE=10571z]I guess your right Tom is all deep now :rolleyes: ...[/QUOTE]Tom has been the way he is for a long time before AVA even existed. People just think he changed drastically because they're idiots.