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DeeDeeRamone 10-17-2004 03:37 PM

[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]No they're not.[/QUOTE]
What makes you say that?!?

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 03:37 PM

Going from One Of These Days to A Pillow Of Winds to San Tropez to Echoes in one album is pretty diverse...

Badmoon 10-17-2004 03:39 PM

The diversity is high, but it doesn't compare. Give me some huge points of diversity.

keep on phishin' 10-17-2004 03:39 PM

Well they seemed to just play one particular style throughout their whole career.

However the dead played many different genres throughtout their career.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 03:41 PM

American Beauty is an ex.

Badmoon 10-17-2004 03:42 PM

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

lunch998 10-17-2004 03:42 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]The diversity is high, but it doesn't compare. Give me some huge points of diversity.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to stay out of the arguement, but why don't you ever give any examples to back up what you say. You just acuse other people or not being able to support what they are saying. (I don't doubt that you have the facts, but use them so you don't seem hypocritical.)

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 03:42 PM

Early Dead sucked man

Badmoon 10-17-2004 03:43 PM

No, it's just like early Floyd, but more intelligent. They had a great sense of Folk, and used that all over their music.

keep on phishin' 10-17-2004 03:44 PM

Early Floyd wasn't exactly all that special

lunch998 10-17-2004 03:44 PM

[QUOTE=keep on phishin']Well they seemed to just play one particular style throughout their whole career.

However the dead played many different genres throughtout their career.[/QUOTE]

Yea but what kind of genre is that? Just because the played the "same genre" doesn't mean that the music does not sound different.

By the way, I smell a good ole' fashioned debate in the mix.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]No, it's just like early Floyd, but more intelligent. They had a great sense of Folk, and used that all over their music.[/QUOTE]

Yea Anthem for the Sun was intelligent :rolleyes:

Badmoon 10-17-2004 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=lunch998]I'm going to stay out of the arguement, but why don't you ever give any examples to back up what you say. You just acuse other people or not being able to support what they are saying. (I don't doubt that you have the facts, but use them so you don't seem hypocritical.)[/QUOTE]

Great, I'd hope someone would ask.

- Possibly the second labeled Psychedelic Band

- First band to use 2 drummers

- First to use 3-D recording, which Pink Floyd would use later in their career

- First to play Bluegrass Rock

- Played Country Rock and Folk.

- Used an unbelieveable amount of classic literature reference in their writing, along with many other diverse writing methods.

- Used such instruments as Banjo, Pedal Steel, Mandolin, ect...That were hardly used before in Rock.

Badmoon 10-17-2004 03:46 PM

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Yea Anthem for the Sun was intelligent :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

How wasn't it?

lunch998 10-17-2004 03:50 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]Great, I'd hope someone would ask.

- Possibly the second labeled Psychedelic Band

- First band to use 2 drummers

- First to use 3-D recording, which Pink Floyd would use later in their career

- First to play Bluegrass Rock

- Played Country Rock and Folk.

- Used an unbelieveable amount of classic literature reference in their writing, along with many other diverse writing methods.

- Used such instruments as Banjo, Pedal Steel, Mandolin, ect...That were hardly used before in Rock.[/QUOTE]

See now you make the argument much more intelligent than "Grateful dead sucks." "No way man Pink Floyd sucks."

And you also won the arguement.

lunch998 10-17-2004 03:56 PM

[QUOTE=DeeDeeRamone]What makes you say that?!?[/QUOTE]

Because they are punk. If they were classic rock, they wouldn't be punk. Here, they even call it "classic punk", so you can pretend that the Ramones are half as good as most classic rock bands.

Woodstock 10-17-2004 05:21 PM

Uh oh, a fight. Just about all of that arguement was opinion.

We all change in taste of music. Badmoon just likes anything to do with Jerry Garcia because that is his current taste.

Plus, I know Badmoon was a Floyd fan at some point.

DeusExMachina 10-17-2004 05:26 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]The diversity is high, but it doesn't compare. Give me some huge points of diversity.[/QUOTE]

You just admit the diversity is there. So The Dead are more diverse. So what? Metallica is pretty diverse.... doesn't stop them from sucking. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to directly compare Metallica to the Dead, or say that the Dead suck, but diversity doesn't make the band. I mean, the Stones aren't all that diverse, but they totally rock. Ultimately, this whole thing is nothing more than an opinion argument, because the factors that make a band "great" are entirely subjective. You say Garcia is a better writer than Barrett, but some people say the guys from Linkin Park blow both of them out of the water.

Also, didn't mean to single Badmoon out with this little rant, it was just kind of a stream of consciousness.

Woodstock 10-17-2004 05:35 PM

^True, nice to see you back in here.

BludgeonySteve 10-17-2004 06:14 PM

Floyd>The Dead.

Which is why i'm voting for them in the poll.

magicbus 10-17-2004 06:25 PM

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Floyd>The Dead.

Which is why i'm voting for them in the poll.[/QUOTE]

++THE TRUTH

ToRidTheDisease 10-17-2004 06:28 PM

Floyd>All

Woodstock 10-17-2004 06:29 PM

^Youre back!

You used to post in here all the time.

Floyd > or = to Grateful Dead

lunch998 10-17-2004 06:32 PM

Good way to stop the arguement guys.

magicbus 10-17-2004 06:32 PM

Yea man! I voted in both polls. I think I missed some, so I'm gonna go check.

Badmoon 10-17-2004 06:33 PM

[QUOTE]You just admit the diversity is there.[/QUOTE]

I said there was diversity, but Jpj stated they are more diverse than the Dead.

[QUOTE=jpj...]The Grateful Dead is far less diverse than Floyd.[/QUOTE]

I'm just working off of this post.

[QUOTE]So The Dead are more diverse. So what? Metallica is pretty diverse.... doesn't stop them from sucking. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to directly compare Metallica to the Dead, or say that the Dead suck, but diversity doesn't make the band. I mean, the Stones aren't all that diverse, but they totally rock. Ultimately, this whole thing is nothing more than an opinion argument, because the factors that make a band "great" are entirely subjective. You say Garcia is a better writer than Barrett, but some people say the guys from Linkin Park blow both of them out of the water.[/QUOTE]

Okay, this can be summed up easily, I believe Floyd are diverse, just not as diverse as The Dead.

Badmoon 10-17-2004 06:36 PM

Sorry I wasn't here to answer back or join the chat (I was at the airport). But if you want to continue this in the chat, sure.

magicbus 10-17-2004 06:37 PM

Personally, I don't think Floyd's all that diverse. Mostly just dreamy, psychadelic rock. That doesn't stop me from liking them however. In my opinion, they are the greatest band. Ever. I don't enjoy the Dead a whole lot, but based on the instruments badmoon said they use, I'd say they are more diverse.

+opinion/rant

Against Miik! 10-17-2004 07:01 PM

I'm not a big Pink Floyd fan. There are some individual songs I enjoy, but overall, they are just to depressing for me.

DeusExMachina 10-17-2004 07:07 PM

I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:13 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]What the hell is that supposed to mean?[/QUOTE]

Im just saying A.B. wasn't that diverse all it was mainly acoustic with a delicate layered vocals.(except for Truckin) Now I'm not saying this album is bad I love it but..... Its not that diverse but thats my opinion

Badmoon 10-17-2004 07:16 PM

Obviously you need to take a closer look. There are heavy amounts of Electric everywhere, organ, and pedal steel. Let alone a lot of it is overdubbed, stacked, 3D recorded, and layered.

Kingofdudes 10-17-2004 07:17 PM

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.[/QUOTE]

Why do politicians have debates? Why do news channels have Debate shows?

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:18 PM

What do you mean by 3D recorded

Badmoon 10-17-2004 07:22 PM

Each instrument was recorded seperatley, they may not call it that now, but they did then.

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:23 PM

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I'm just a little confused as to why people are arguing. I mean, its entirely opinion based, and no one is going to change anyone else's mind.[/QUOTE]

Not really Badmoon made reasonable point and maybe Ill cheak out a little more Dead...and maybe not

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:25 PM

The Beatles did that..I think

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:32 PM

[QUOTE=badmoon349]Obviously you need to take a closer look. There are heavy amounts of Electric everywhere, organ, and pedal steel. Let alone a lot of it is overdubbed, stacked, 3D recorded, and layered.[/QUOTE]

Read the booklet that comes with the CD on the 1st page it even says and I quote "Many of the tracks dont even have instrumental breaks"

Badmoon 10-17-2004 07:35 PM

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Read the booklet that comes with the CD on the 1st page it even says and I quote "Many of the tracks dont even have instrumental breaks"[/QUOTE]

Does that matter?

BlackDeathMetalJazz or really ANYTHING else please- 10-17-2004 07:37 PM

No not really


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