[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]does anyone know the part kirk plays during the chorus of sad but true? it's not on the tabs here or even in the music book. it sounds like just some simple single note stuff with some pick trills but i'm having trouble figuring it out. i need to get some new strings though, the ones i got don't hold tuning very well when i tune down that far, which makes it hard to tell if i'm playing the right frets or not.[/QUOTE]

Isnt that song tuned down a whole step? You should get some .12 strings then.

12 gauge for D standard ?! ?! :lol:

... :lol:

[QUOTE=Squirrel_h4x]12 gauge for D standard ?! ?! :lol:

... :lol:[/QUOTE]

Hey, it works. Pikachu.

Wow, nice comeback fuc[color=white]kwad[/color].

.12s for D standard is a retarded idea.

Suuuuure. And that wasn't a comeback. I've always used .12s for tuning down to D (or C) So nuts to you. And what the **** is a ****wad?

A wad of fvck, obviously.

Adding "wad" to any cuss makes it better.

Shytwad, a$swad, dickwad, etc.

Just playing down a whole step (or more) with standard .09's and .10's makes the strings feel too floppy(for me). Especially when playing with Super-Slinkies.

[QUOTE=Paranoidd]A wad of fvck, obviously.

Adding "wad" to any cuss makes it better.

Shytwad, a$swad, dickwad, etc.[/QUOTE]

But they make no sense!

And do you have to have a certain number of posts before you can say "****" without it being censored?

BlinDecsent........

i love you lol

well said bro i saved it on my comp so i can send it to or have them read it if anyone tries to talk **** about MetallicA.. (it says Originally Posted by BlinDecsent so dont worry lol)

[QUOTE]A wad of fvck, obviously.

Adding "wad" to any cuss makes it better.

Shytwad, a$swad, dickwad, etc.[/QUOTE]

Speaker of truth.

Here we are in an "Official Metallica Thread" talking about fvckwads, dickwads, and asswads...

Yes, good analysis.

[QUOTE=InColdBlood]Here we are in an "Official Metallica Thread" talking about fvckwads, dickwads, and asswads...[/QUOTE]

Well, the thread is full of them...

lol

yeah, i need to get heavier strings, i was only thinking about .10s though. i got 9's on right now because before i came to korea guitar center had a sale on some GHS Fatties, 10 packs for $15. and they sound pretty sweet on my schecter with standard tuning, and actually aren't too bad down a half step with a few quick adjustments, but a whole step down and they just feel and sound sloppy. i can't even adjust my bridge high enough to get rid of all the fret buzz when they're like that.

[QUOTE=Ramsey]^^ You too?

To iliketoplaydrums: sanitarium, seek and destroy, ride the lightining, the unforgiven 2 (the best metallica song IMHO!!)[/QUOTE]

dude Ramsey you've posted like 100 post's in this thread, go to another thread dude, and yes metallica rocks.

Angus, i have the most posts in this thread :)

Ramsey hasnt posted here in like 13 years.

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]well, i don't know if you've noticed, but repetition is common in pretty much all music (i.e. the chorus). not to bore you with another history lesson, but a lot of bands have done similar things; the beatles (that Hello song, which may not be a good example to defend my point, cuz that song drives me crazy); a lot of punk rock is just the same 3 or 4 chord combination being repeated over and over; classical composers could even be accused of this (beethoven's Fur Elise repeats the same part a fair number of times).[/QUOTE]
Classical composers didn't come up with leitmotifs so they could be used to replace songwriting effort. Fight Fire With Fire doesn't have a verse-chorus combo for the sake of being repetitive and monotonous; that's the theme of the song, which gives the songwriting a sense of coherence - they don't repeat EVERY other section twice on RTL. (Dream Theater's Images and Words is an album which isn't concerned of coherence, and I consider that to be monotonous wankery unlike RTL.)

And a lot of punk songs don't last for EIGHT ****ING MINUTES. The Ramones mostly wrote 2 minute songs. They didn't make a brainless eight minute songs out of them, and didn't dilute their quality by repeating everything over again. Even if they would have, the drumming isn't anywhere near as monotonous and the riffs aren't nearly that similar.

Although even The Ramones had some solos (Metallica defenders tend to think SHRED when someone mentions 'solo' - probably because they when they think 'solo', they think Hammet - but I don't hear much shred in "Somebody to Love"), the real problem with the lack of solos is that St. Anger has LONG songs, and longer songs tend to have solos to keep themselves interesting - or if not solos, at least plenty of variation in the riffage. But I find nothing on St. Anger which can hold my attention past the middle of the songs. Because there aren't many intense metal riffs found there like the well-developed riffs of RTL, and more importantly all the riffs sound extremely similar. Chunk-chunk. Not a slightest bit of variation in the drumming either, what's there which is worthwhile for me to listen to it entirely through - for the fifth time?

Since you're the smart one, explain.

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]Classical composers didn't come up with leitmotifs so they could be used to replace songwriting effort. Fight Fire With Fire doesn't have a verse-chorus combo for the sake of being repetitive and monotonous; that's the theme of the song, which gives the songwriting a sense of coherence - they don't repeat EVERY other section twice on RTL. (Dream Theater's Images and Words is an album which isn't concerned of coherence, and I consider that to be monotonous wankery unlike RTL.)

And a lot of punk songs don't last for EIGHT ****ING MINUTES. The Ramones mostly wrote 2 minute songs. They didn't make a brainless eight minute songs out of them, and didn't dilute their quality by repeating everything over again. Even if they would have, the drumming isn't anywhere near as monotonous and the riffs aren't nearly that similar.

Although even The Ramones had some solos (Metallica defenders tend to think SHRED when someone mentions 'solo' - probably because they when they think 'solo', they think Hammet - but I don't hear much shred in "Somebody to Love"), the real problem with the lack of solos is that St. Anger has LONG songs, and longer songs tend to have solos to keep themselves interesting - or if not solos, at least plenty of variation in the riffage. But I find nothing on St. Anger which can hold my attention past the middle of the songs. Because there aren't many intense metal riffs found there like the well-developed riffs of RTL, and more importantly all the riffs sound extremely similar. Chunk-chunk. Not a slightest bit of variation in the drumming either, what's there which is worthwhile for me to listen to it entirely through - for the fifth time?

Since you're the smart one, explain.[/QUOTE]



My theory on St. Anger: Metallica made a album that appeals to all the current nu-metal kids, who have no idea what real music is. And then their next album will be pure thrash, and all the nu-metal kids will go holy ****!!!

Or maybe it's just my dream :upset:

[QUOTE=Otherside]My theory on St. Anger: Metallica made a album that appeals to all the current nu-metal kids, who have no idea what real music is. And then their next album will be pure thrash, and all the nu-metal kids will go holy ****!!!

Or maybe it's just my dream :upset:[/QUOTE]

I want that dream too :upset:

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]
Although even The Ramones had some solos (Metallica defenders tend to think SHRED when someone mentions 'solo' - probably because they when they think 'solo', they think Hammet - but I don't hear much shred in "Somebody to Love"), the real problem with the lack of solos is that St. Anger has LONG songs, and longer songs tend to have solos to keep themselves interesting - or if not solos, at least plenty of variation in the riffage. But I find nothing on St. Anger which can hold my attention past the middle of the songs. Because there aren't many intense metal riffs found there like the well-developed riffs of RTL, and more importantly all the riffs sound extremely similar. Chunk-chunk. Not a slightest bit of variation in the drumming either, what's there which is worthwhile for me to listen to it entirely through - for the fifth time?
[/QUOTE]
i think thats wonderfully put. for a song as long as to live is to die, its amazing how interesting and new each part becomes. i can listen to the full 10 minutes or so and it would feel like 2 minutes. this also applies to other metllica songs like ktulu, orion, justice, disposable hereoes, etc. etc.
i sort of compare a song to a book
if the song is well-written and not that repetitive, you want to keep on listening to it, just like a good suspenseful story
however, the opposite is just a plain, bland story. sure its still a story and st. anger is still a song (no matter how boring it is)....but after a while the song becomes so predicatble and you just dont feel like listening to it anymore.

i remember from school my english teacher told me to make my stories more interesting by adding more details and suspense to them. usually if there are some "suddenlys" and perhaps some unexpected turning points in a story, it is more suspenseful. that is what i like when it happens to songs. for examples, in the justice song, you hear this wonderfully beuatiful beginning and then there is that "suddenly", were the song changes melody a bit (but still nice and flowing together). that makes me want to hear more. all those "suddenlys" make the song more interesting. st, anger is usually the smae, not many turning points in the song which makes you go "i wanna hear more!"

now i dont thinkthat st anger is a terribly horrible album. there are some nice riffs here and there, but theyre only some riffs with some useless boring filling in between them so it makes a song. i think that metallica should work on the details and suspense some more, just like my english teacher always said, to make the songs more suspenseful. personally i dont think they put all the thought they could into the album.

[QUOTE=guitarfrog]
now i dont thinkthat st anger is a terribly horrible album. there are some nice riffs here and there, but theyre only some riffs with some useless boring filling in between them so it makes a song. i think that metallica should work on the details and suspense some more, just like my english teacher always said, to make the songs more suspenseful. personally i dont think they put all the thought they could into the album.[/QUOTE]

I think that St. Anger was just a rushed album. I mean there a few cool songs on it but really nothing great.

An official Metallica thread wow this is great. However I'd like to first say that I agree with many in the idea that St. Anger was garbage. Maybe if it was a completely new band the music wouldn't have sucked so badly but the fact that Metallica used to play real music and now plays this junk makes it that much worse. I mean come on there is so much talent in Kirk and Lars and even James but they are just playing what the radio likes which is strange because the radio liked what they did before too. I think the greatest song is Hit the Lights but probably because I am a guitarist and love the solos on that song cause they are intense! RIP Metallica...maybe its time to throw in the towel.

[QUOTE=Squeaky]I think that St. Anger was just a rushed album. I mean there a few cool songs on it but really nothing great.[/QUOTE]
yeah, "My world", and "the unnamed feeling" are both great songs.

Guitarfrog and sweinhunt both made great points about the band i mean the more variety in a song that there is, the more interesting, as long as the variety isnt just random (aka I hate Mr Bungle). All of metallicas instrumentals are amazing and beautiful and all of their guitar solos are pretty crazy too. And yes when i think solo i do think shredding :lol: but i try not to too much.

About St Anger, there are some good songs on it like, as said, the unnamed feeling and my world and I also think that Sweet Amber is pretty good

One last thing did anyone notice that there are lyrics in St Anger that are also in Damage Inc...

St Anger: "**** it all, ****in no regrets / Ive hit the lights on these dark sets"
Damage Inc.: "**** it all and ****in no regrets / Never happy endings on these dark sets"

It kinda makes me think that he went back to maybe an old state of mind at some point, like something pushed him over the edge at some point. Then again he probably came up with a lot of his ideas while in rehab...

Woah, i just found out today my friend in english class has the coffin thing they made only 500 of

Eh, i thought it was cool

[QUOTE=CreepingBlack]yeah, [b]"My world"[/b], and "the unnamed feeling" are both great songs.[/QUOTE]

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The Unnamed Feeling is good though.

compare megadeth vs. metallica from a metallica fans perspective

*please*

Isnt Metallica comin out with a new CD with the songs from St. Anger that they threw away or something?