[QUOTE=NailHead]I personally think that Cliff's death allowed the band to take their music in a new direction. But that's just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

True, but you say it like it was a good thing.

[QUOTE=InColdBlood]Wow.[/QUOTE]

I was talking about the albums, and not the band. That wasn't clear.

[QUOTE=adamthebassist]Well, yeah, some of it sucks. If saint anger was like 3:45 and not 5 minutes long it would be a decent song, and i like that "tick tick tick tock" song, whatever it's called. but i havent heard all of the cd, so im not gonna judge the whole thing...altho i dont like the way it sounds (it sounds like the audio is from a video recording of a performance or something)[/QUOTE]
the metallica albums now days tend have to many songs
i mean 75 min!!! way to much
what? should i buy the album that is great but only has 40 min
or the album thats not so but has 75 min of music
Quantity or quality

[QUOTE=adamthebassist]Well, yeah, some of it sucks. If saint anger was like 3:45 and not 5 minutes long it would be a decent song, and i like that "tick tick tick tock" song, whatever it's called. but i havent heard all of the cd, so im not gonna judge the whole thing...altho i dont like the way it sounds (it sounds like the audio is from a video recording of a performance or something)[/QUOTE]
the metallica albums now days tend have to many songs
i mean 75 min!!! way to much
what? should i buy the album that is great but only has 40 min
or the album thats not so good but has 75 min of music
Quantity or quality

^^
why the hell did I post that twice

[QUOTE=Niklas]the metallica albums now days tend have to many songs
i mean 75 min!!! way to much
what? should i buy the album that is great but only has 40 min
or the album thats not so good but has 75 min of music
Quantity or quality[/QUOTE]

Yeah, i know what you mean. Is saint anger 75 minutes long? Good Lord... I would choose quality everytime, although a nice mix is always good.

It has a sticker on the front saying:
"11 New songs over 75 minutes of music"

ya and about 50 of those minutes arent worth a whole lot either. There are SOME good points to that cd. But over all not worth it.

Thats really too bad. When i heard metallica was putting out a new cd, i couldnt wait for it to drop. Now that ive heard some of it.....Im pretty disappointed. like ive said before, I respect them for doing something different, i just wish it they did it a little better.

The songs on Load That everybody seems to never mention are the best on the album:
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn

[QUOTE=BlinDecsent]ya and about 50 of those minutes arent worth a whole lot either. There are SOME good points to that cd. But over all not worth it.[/QUOTE]
If "good points" equals content, then you could also say that there is SOME content on every Slimp Blizkit cd. If I'm supposed to enjoy 70 minutes of music, I expect more than 3 minutes of content.

They already set the new world record of repetitiveness, so why couldn't they have been even MORE repetitive, and extended it into a double-disc containing 300 minutes of that monotonous noise? Because I bet their cocksucking-imbecile fans would have been even happier about getting MORE.

[QUOTE=Niklas]the metallica albums now days tend have to many songs
i mean 75 min!!! way to much
what? should i buy the album that is great but only has 40 min
or the album thats not so good but has 75 min of music
Quantity or quality[/QUOTE]
quality

i'd rather have 40 minutes of wonder ful music than sitting there for a torturesome 70 minutes or whatever listening to some bull****

[QUOTE=FrailandBedazzled1979]Talent wise (comming from a bassiest of close to a decade) hes far more creative and well rounded than Cliff whom was never in his wildest dreams gods gift to bass guitar.[/QUOTE]
rob is probably a good bassist, but id have to disagree with that.
show me any song that rob composed that is as impressive as anesthesia or the bass solo in orion or the lead bass in ktulu, etc. ....and then i might agree.

Metallicas, older stuff is soo much better than their new stuff, i was dissapointed when i got st. anger. stuff like the black album and load and reload isnt that bad but Kill 'em All and Ride the Lightening are amazing!!!
The call of the ktulu is an amazing instrumental song. Ride the lightening is my favorite overall cd.

[QUOTE=chuckles the silly piggy]The songs on Load That everybody seems to never mention are the best on the album:
Bleeding Me
Outlaw Torn[/QUOTE]

Those songs are both ****ing awesome. I always forget that's the cd they're on.

[/QUOTE]They already set the new world record of repetitiveness, so why couldn't they have been even MORE repetitive, and extended it into a double-disc containing 300 minutes of that monotonous noise? Because I bet their cocksucking-imbecile fans would have been even happier about getting MORE.[/QUOTE]


Set the record for repetitiveness? What the hell kind of comment is that. I beleive Load and Reload should have been a two disk set. Other then that what repetitiveness have they done? Kill em All was a 100% thrash cd. Very raw and heavy. Not the kind of heavy they would produce with RTL and MOP, but a very heavy feel none the less.

In Ride the Lightening they expanded upon that thrashy feel and added alot more diversity with songs such as Fade to Black and Call of the Ktulu. Master of Puppets was similar to Ride the Lightening but lost almost all the pure and raw elements of thrash. After only two cds they went from a thrash style garage band to a more mature and complex tradtional sounding heavy metal band. There are alot of subtle things on MOP but they are noticable. Such as the drumming on the bridge of Master of Puupets the song, The Thing that Should not be is very different from any thing they had previously put out or anything they would in the future. The dominant bass in orion was never seen before and wouldn't be seen again until my friend of misery. Over all these subtleties add up and produce a differnt feel.

AJFA was the album where the band really put their oponions into song writing about issues they felt strongly about (or James did anyways). Songs like Blackened, And Justice for All, One and Dyers Eve all dealt with things in a more upfront nature than previous songs did. Also AJFA is no where near the sound they had with Kill em All. Heavy but no longer thrash

Black Ambum is where the band decides to go for a mainstream sound and ditches much of their metal roots. Same idea with the next two albums Load and Reload. Like i said, should have been a two disk set. They have now gone from the un radio friendly sounds of the Four Horsemen and Whiplash, to the catchy and groovy King Nothing. They even did a cover album and played with a freakin' symphony orchestra! Now how different of a sound do you want? This era of Metallica may not be the best music wise but they are trying new things. More so in the last ten-fifteen years than ever. St. Anger was not a good cd. But as I said it had some good points. And NO I don't mean it had CONTENT. Everything in the world has content! Have you heard the whole cd? Frantic, St. Anger, Some Kind of Monster and Invisible Kid are good songs I feel. The drums may be tuned a little differently and there may be no solos but so what? Music is music even though you probably wouldn't agree. Oh and The Unnamed Feeling I think is some of Metallica's best work.

The thing with St. Anger is that people seem to dislike because it is new. Not just this cd but alot of things in general. If Metallica released a cd they wrote back in 85 and just preformed all the songs today for recording, I seriously wonder how people would react to it. I think it would find the same reception St. Anger did because "they will never be as good as they were with cliff and back in the eighties blah blah blah".

And as for the "cocksucking imbecile fans" remark, I'm not gonna try and change your views on that. If thats the outlook you choose to have on the topic than whatever. It just seems that you didn't put alot of thought into that statement. This is hardly the place to be insulting Metallica fans, and most fans are only fans of the band still because they hang on to that faint memory of the first time they heard the opening accoustic riff to Fight Fire with Fire. And how it all went from there. Or maybe they are like me; saw them live recently and were blown completely away. After hearing live versions of St.Anger songs I have a new respect for them. They are heavy and catchy and just very appealing IMO.

But like I said, just remember where you posted "cocksucknig imbecile fans". I'm sure not too many people are going to agree with you on several of your points but what ever.

BlinDecsent.....That was beautiful. Very well put. I agree 100%

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[QUOTE=BlinDecsent]Set the record for repetitiveness? What the hell kind of comment is that. I beleive Load and Reload should have been a two disk set. Other then that what repetitiveness have they done? Kill em All was a 100% thrash cd. Very raw and heavy. Not the kind of heavy they would produce with RTL and MOP, but a very heavy feel none the less.

In Ride the Lightening they expanded upon that thrashy feel and added alot more diversity with songs such as Fade to Black and Call of the Ktulu. Master of Puppets was similar to Ride the Lightening but lost almost all the pure and raw elements of thrash. After only two cds they went from a thrash style garage band to a more mature and complex tradtional sounding heavy metal band. There are alot of subtle things on MOP but they are noticable. Such as the drumming on the bridge of Master of Puupets the song, The Thing that Should not be is very different from any thing they had previously put out or anything they would in the future. The dominant bass in orion was never seen before and wouldn't be seen again until my friend of misery. Over all these subtleties add up and produce a differnt feel.

AJFA was the album where the band really put their oponions into song writing about issues they felt strongly about (or James did anyways). Songs like Blackened, And Justice for All, One and Dyers Eve all dealt with things in a more upfront nature than previous songs did. Also AJFA is no where near the sound they had with Kill em All. Heavy but no longer thrash

Black Ambum is where the band decides to go for a mainstream sound and ditches much of their metal roots. Same idea with the next two albums Load and Reload. Like i said, should have been a two disk set. They have now gone from the un radio friendly sounds of the Four Horsemen and Whiplash, to the catchy and groovy King Nothing. They even did a cover album and played with a freakin' symphony orchestra! Now how different of a sound do you want? This era of Metallica may not be the best music wise but they are trying new things. More so in the last ten-fifteen years than ever. St. Anger was not a good cd. But as I said it had some good points. And NO I don't mean it had CONTENT. Everything in the world has content! Have you heard the whole cd? Frantic, St. Anger, Some Kind of Monster and Invisible Kid are good songs I feel. The drums may be tuned a little differently and there may be no solos but so what? Music is music even though you probably wouldn't agree. Oh and The Unnamed Feeling I think is some of Metallica's best work.

The thing with St. Anger is that people seem to dislike because it is new. Not just this cd but alot of things in general. If Metallica released a cd they wrote back in 85 and just preformed all the songs today for recording, I seriously wonder how people would react to it. I think it would find the same reception St. Anger did because "they will never be as good as they were with cliff and back in the eighties blah blah blah".

And as for the "cocksucking imbecile fans" remark, I'm not gonna try and change your views on that. If thats the outlook you choose to have on the topic than whatever. It just seems that you didn't put alot of thought into that statement. This is hardly the place to be insulting Metallica fans, and most fans are only fans of the band still because they hang on to that faint memory of the first time they heard the opening accoustic riff to Fight Fire with Fire. And how it all went from there. Or maybe they are like me; saw them live recently and were blown completely away. After hearing live versions of St.Anger songs I have a new respect for them. They are heavy and catchy and just very appealing IMO.

But like I said, just remember where you posted "cocksucknig imbecile fans". I'm sure not too many people are going to agree with you on several of your points but what ever.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the history lesson, but I don't remember having criticized any of the pre-Load era albums. I was obviously talking about a specific album, so I apoligize for the useless effort you made to write all that.

Music is just music? And at least so far, music with substance has been music with substance. See what the dictionary has to say about this ->

[i]tau·tol·o·gy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tô-tl-j)
n. pl. tau·tol·o·gies
1. a. Needless repetition of the same sense in different words; redundancy[/i]

^^^Well, close, anyway. You're just as repetitive as the album you're defending. Playing all music you have written twice IS repeating yourself. You can make a 10 minute song with 5 minutes of actual content, but why is listening to it worthwhile? Also, what's worthwhile about 70 minutes of monotonous drumming and other instruments mostly containing simple and distorted noises?

I think BlinDescent is a ****ing genious, man, and speaks for all metallica fans

I think BlinDescent didnt say anything new.

well thats your opinion.

No, Ive seen a million responses like that. So it isnt an opnion, it's an observation. gg

[QUOTE=KingofDudes]No, Ive seen a million responses like that. So it isnt an opnion, it's an observation. gg[/QUOTE]

it was a good post, but didnt' need to be done. It seems like he likes rating cds though. It was too much, yeah.

metallica rules...end of thread.

you arent allowed to reproduce...end of thread.

[QUOTE=schweinhunt]

^^^Well, close, anyway. You're just as repetitive as the album you're defending. Playing all music you have written twice IS repeating yourself. [/QUOTE]
well, i don't know if you've noticed, but repetition is common in pretty much all music (i.e. the chorus). not to bore you with another history lesson, but a lot of bands have done similar things; the beatles (that Hello song, which may not be a good example to defend my point, cuz that song drives me crazy); a lot of punk rock is just the same 3 or 4 chord combination being repeated over and over; classical composers could even be accused of this (beethoven's Fur Elise repeats the same part a fair number of times).

and he wasn't really repetitve in his post, he was just setting a broad foundation for his argument. true, it seemed more like an argumentative essay written for an english class, but maybe he's seen how quickly people get flamed on here for not defending their statement's well enough, which is something you definitely can't accuse him of this time.

does anyone know the part kirk plays during the chorus of sad but true? it's not on the tabs here or even in the music book. it sounds like just some simple single note stuff with some pick trills but i'm having trouble figuring it out. i need to get some new strings though, the ones i got don't hold tuning very well when i tune down that far, which makes it hard to tell if i'm playing the right frets or not.

Kreator posted it in here ages ago.

It involves the open high e ( d in this case ) played with 5/6 etc frets on the b ( a ).

Meh, you work it out, something like that.

[QUOTE=ForTheMusic22]well, i don't know if you've noticed, but repetition is common in pretty much all music (i.e. the chorus). not to bore you with another history lesson, but a lot of bands have done similar things; the beatles (that Hello song, which may not be a good example to defend my point, cuz that song drives me crazy); a lot of punk rock is just the same 3 or 4 chord combination being repeated over and over; classical composers could even be accused of this (beethoven's Fur Elise repeats the same part a fair number of times).

and he wasn't really repetitve in his post, he was just setting a broad foundation for his argument. true, it seemed more like an argumentative essay written for an english class, but maybe he's seen how quickly people get flamed on here for not defending their statement's well enough, which is something you definitely can't accuse him of this time.[/QUOTE]

AC/DC also made the same song over and over, but they were still a great band.